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Come on CCP lets not take 10 years to get this game rolling
I love DUST but i gotta be real PC while prob gonna be fun is still the same cbs on skirmish
Why has it taken so long to get NEW (not variations) done?

- PvE
- NEW actual PvP game modes
- Player trading
- Player market

These should be high on the priority list

PS: Ppl love to customise **** why is it cosmetics and weapon customisations not a priority......player retention is key.

Why dont we have multi-tiered "complex" modes like MAG Dominaton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5p8_35AMeE

In DOM u had to take out the bunker line, destroy the AAA so u could call in ur strikes, secure the burnoff towers then cooling towers then overload the letters

Why dont we have a scaled down version of something like this yet?



Why is Skirmish still a poor ******** mans TITAN mode from BF2142?
If ur gonna copy a game at least do it justice and copy the game properly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x9m58Vol1c


Come on CCP lets not take 10 years to get this game rolling
I love DUST but i gotta be real PC while prob gonna be fun is still the same cbs on skirmish
Why has it taken so long to get NEW modes (not variations) done?

- PvE
- NEW actual PvP game modes
- Player trading
- Player market

These should be high on the priority list

PS: Ppl love to customise **** why is it cosmetics and weapon customisations not a priority......player retention is key.

"Apparently" in Uprising (at some point) we're supposed to get new stuff

^

APPARENTLY.

If by "new" you mean "old," then you are probably correct. From what I've heard, it's just that scrubby one-and-only game mode we had for a short while that many people didn't like because it was more of a redline-fest than skirmish already is.

Why couldn't you hold your rant for two weeks?

I mean seriously, two weeks. The new release will be out that day. We have read, although you might not have considering your post, about Uprising and the many, many changes including some different modes of play. UI changes, a new Battle Finder, bugs fixed, Planetary Conquest, the one control point map and the extensive Skill Tree reworking along with new weapons.

But no, your spew bucket filled up and you had to spew.

See this ^
this right here is why this ******* game wont progress

One control point map IS ******* SKIRMISH VARIATION ITS NOT NEW
Planetary Conques IS STILL SKIRMISH, the only thing different is u have territory tied to the SAME SKIRMISH WE BEEN PLAYING FOREVER NOW

STOP BEING A FANBOI AND REALISE WHEN **** IS PROGRESSING WAY TOO SLOW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-twUCEfzrDk

PS: i read more about Uprising than u have, ive also prob been here longer than u have....are u new here? cuz afaik TLN was on BF3 when we were already beta testing DUST at the very beginning.

have a nice day

What game?

Lore.

Game modes that doesn't make sense in war are not currently in.

CTF, Free for all, and other game modes maybe even racing one day.

There may be a CTF like game in the future that is war involved (capture the launch codes) first team to 3/5 launch codes one shots the mcc.

Lore.

Game modes that doesn't make sense in war are not currently in.

CTF, Free for all, and other game modes maybe even racing one day.

There may be a CTF like game in the future that is war involved (capture the launch codes) first team to 3/5 launch codes one shots the mcc.

So whats the deal with Skirmish 1.0?

Need to get the basics down first. The FPS is looking good now, the simple maps are looking good. The next step is to introduce something really complex, Planetary Conquest. If there was a complex battle paired with a complex PC in one patch, it would be very hard to get a real good look at the PC system with all the complex variables that comes from a complex chain of battles.

Baby steps until all the basics are in place and are working properly. After all the map types get put in as their basic form, then they can start making it more complex and chaining the basic matches together. Do you feel the current maps are perfect? If not, then you should understand that it needs to be perfect before they make it more complex. If not, you will complain louder and new players will be even more lost on the battlefield.

and no only read the title... gambled on the chances the subject material was going to be the same as the last 20 threads about this and sure enough after a second read it is.

Hopefully coming back once the defender vs attacker imbalances are worked out and technology allows (apparently it was scrapped due to issues)

The basic 'front line' mechanic might also return separately for different game modes.

I am not saying I disagree with not having new game modes, I am just saying there is a reason why some game modes are not in yet because they do not fit the war theme yet.

Either way other half of the answer I guess would be code, CCP Logic Loop has his hands full working on socket behavior and map generation and game modes.

The other massive hurdle of designing game modes is designing maps to work with it. Capture the port works well on most maps. Where domination needs more forethought into flow and control. Would be awful if the defenders where forced back but they walled up on the edge of the transition zone red zoning everyone dead.

Either way the official answer is probably going to cite more complicated than its seems.

and no only read the title... gambled on the chances the subject material was going to be the same as the last 20 threads about this and sure enough after a second read it is.

Hopefully coming back once the defender vs attacker imbalances are worked out and technology allows (apparently it was scrapped due to issues)

The basic 'front line' mechanic might also return separately for different game modes.

I am not saying I disagree with not having new game modes, I am just saying there is a reason why some game modes are not in yet because they do not fit the war theme yet.

Either way other half of the answer I guess would be code, CCP Logic Loop has his hands full working on socket behavior and map generation and game modes.

The other massive hurdle of designing game modes is designing maps to work with it. Capture the port works well on most maps. Where domination needs more forethought into flow and control. Would be awful if the defenders where forced back but they walled up on the edge of the transition zone red zoning everyone dead.

Either way the official answer is probably going to cite more complicated than its seems.

sorry but even skirmish 1.0 was very basic
look at the vids

Mag War-lines looks far to scripted though. At least skirmish had A or B or C.

BF2142 ship boarding from when I remember playing it was basically game over once they started to board. Though I wouldn't mind seeing flyable MMCs, and boarding each other ships but I still want multiple options when it comes to sinking a ship other than the defenders are so screwed all must spawn to protect the sinking ship instead of trying to find a way to blow up the other ship first.

I am more interested in though in games that may involve 1 MCC pounding the hell out of an outpost which may force the defenders to call their own MCC in to deal with it the other ship and since the attckers didnt bring any null cannons with them and the defenders mcc is fitting for gank. The attackers are going to be losing one expensive ship.

OP is right, gamemodes much too bland. We are just letting them know now more 'variations' will not cut it.

its good, honest feedback.

u fanboys kidding? game cant continue with modes we would expect in quake 1.0. gamemodes have to have variety. domination crap they mentioned will hold my attention for 2 weeks after may 6. three modes in a year? no way man.

Then quit.

Telling everyone who has complaints about the game to quit will only hurt the game. Negative feedback lets the devs know what needs fixing and improving.

Then quit.

Lore.

Game modes that doesn't make sense in war are not currently in.

CTF, Free for all, and other game modes maybe even racing one day.

There may be a CTF like game in the future that is war involved (capture the launch codes) first team to 3/5 launch codes one shots the mcc.

Telling everyone who has complaints about the game to quit will only hurt the game. Negative feedback lets the devs know what needs fixing and improving.

To the OP, I share your dissapointment, I'm so bored with Dust because of lack of modes (and maps) that I don't even play anymore, and won't play until the new build. There is hope though:

"Skirmish 1.0" is being worked on as code name "Infiltration". "Conquest" is also in the works, but is comes along with a much more sweeping set of features which I can't talk about at the moment. (CLICK HERE)

Conquest mode is not referring to planetary conquest, but a game mode they alluded to back last fanfest, and said it would be bigger than Skirmish (1.0).

Then quit.

It's nice when that negative feedback can be given in a more constructive manner, though.

Still seems interesting to see the sheer number of people who will apparently still be grinding pub matches after the next patch, whereas I intend to exit PC only to do FW matches. Matchmaking holds no appeal for me.

sorry but even skirmish 1.0 was very basic
look at the vids

skirmsh 1.0 might have been basic but it was still one of the best and open game modes we ever had so far. surely you have to agree.

even the two maps we had seemed more fun then the maps were on now and there the same.

I hope that they already have a lot of new content they just keep it in reserve for the actual release, so that release actually feels like an introduction to an awesome game instead of something that has been explored already and beat up.

On the other hand I don't understand why this beta has been taking forever. There just has not been that much improvement or balancing build to buid.

This is why the game shouldn't have entered open beta yet. And why we can't have nice things. Half of you would still be bitching if they gave us everything you are asking for.

Then quit.

Maybe because the community is stupid?

Everything from dropsuits to vehicles has got nerfed because ppl cannot deal with them so it has to be made easier to take them out

So the same with gamemodes so they dont get confused

Look at MAG and at how many would blindly run at the BO tower for 30min straight and not even go for the bunkerline

The stupidity problem could have easily been overcomed if the burnoff towers were behind the bunkers instead of in front of them, or if the auto-FRAGO wasn't set on the towers, but the bunkers instead.

Why dont we have multi-tiered "complex" modes like MAG Dominaton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5p8_35AMeE

In DOM u had to take out the bunker line, destroy the AAA so u could call in ur strikes, secure the burnoff towers then cooling towers then overload the letters

Why dont we have a scaled down version of something like this yet?



Why is Skirmish still a poor ******** mans TITAN mode from BF2142?
If ur gonna copy a game at least do it justice and copy the game properly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x9m58Vol1c


Come on CCP lets not take 10 years to get this game rolling
I love DUST but i gotta be real PC while prob gonna be fun is still the same cbs on skirmish
Why has it taken so long to get NEW modes (not variations) done?

- PvE
- NEW actual PvP game modes
- Player trading
- Player market

These should be high on the priority list

PS: Ppl love to customise **** why is it cosmetics and weapon customisations not a priority......player retention is key.

This thread shows the complete lack of understanding of how even basic program developmentr works. go download the xna framework and try and make Pac man or space invaders and then come back here screaming that the devs are lasy. I might rant at ccp but I do it because they have not delivered what was promised. Not because they are lasy

+1

Multi-tiered game modes (like Acquisition and Domination in MAG) that require several stages of objectives to cap/destroy/etc are MUCH better)
Gives more to do in match, and adds much more depth than the stale TDM (ambush) and COD Domination/BF Conquest (skirmish)

Why couldn't you hold your rant for two weeks?

I mean seriously, two weeks. The new release will be out that day. We have read, although you might not have considering your post, about Uprising and the many, many changes including some different modes of play. UI changes, a new Battle Finder, bugs fixed, Planetary Conquest, the one control point map and the extensive Skill Tree reworking along with new weapons.

But no, your spew bucket filled up and you had to spew.

Now why would CCP do something that? It just makes too much sense for PC that you would have a game mode like DOM where there is an obvious defender and attacker. There is a 'front line' of defenses and the attacker needs to push through to gain the objective. Why, if CCP did that, people might actually like the game and stop sticking around for months on end in hopes that it might get better until they find out its 10 years later.

^ You write that on your phone or something (steadyhand amarr)?

The simplest solution is to take liberally all elements from MAG, and I am not even joking. CCP would do extremely well to wholeheartedly copy gameplay elements and just reskin them for DUST.

Thats not even a wish. I am being completely honest and sayig that DUST would instantly become better and NO ONE woild complain of the additions being "borrowed".

Well, I would plead to just 'borrow' from MAG. There isn't going to be a MAG2 for a reason....because MAG was fun ONLY because it was different from CoD, BF, Halo, Killzone, Resistance, Rainbow SIx, etc. The main difference being the scale/size of the battles. MAG kept peoples interest for about 6 months before a good majority went right back to the games they can trust to deliver every time.

If there is to be no MAG2, and MAG doesn't have 50-100 thousand online right now, then MAG is a replay value failure.

At the same time, how original can a company be when it comes to creating a new game mode? Just about everything that anybody can come up with will be a variation of something that has been done by a FPS already. If CCP comes up with something original, then that's awesome.

That's why I think the success of DUST will rely entirely on how involved EVERYONE can be in PC and to what extent. If people are expected to 'swallow their pride' and join a bigger corp after they have invested time/money/etc. into the corp that they have been building, then most of them will likely 'swallow their pride' and go play a better game.

Everyone in this thread should check the recording of the Twitch stream from today.

Among other things, they confirmed that it won't be too much longer before we see the Gladiator suite which will include all the "traditional" FPS modes, as well as that they'll be talking about where they're going for nullsec and increasing player counts and available map size.

You just said it buddy. On PC.. The FPS central force. (Albeit it has slow down since consoles went full FPS) Compared to The myriad of FPS on the PC, it actually looks worse then on console. I see dust retaining or gathering more mmorpg crowd then the fps folks.

For those that are saying that the game needs to get easier to hold the casual crowd I say that is what PvE is for and agree we need that asap if this game wants to retain a strong player base.


I have a good feeling that they will show PVE at fanfest but they need to start looking at game modes in a serious way or no.amount of structures will hide the fact that the game is repetitive.

You just said it buddy. On PC.. The FPS central force. (Albeit it has slow down since consoles went full FPS) Compared to The myriad of FPS on the PC, it actually looks worse then on console. I see dust retaining or gathering more mmorpg crowd then the fps folks.

i think that CCP's target audience is the casual gamers the ones who like capture the flag, free for all, domination, and team deathmatchs (you know COD fans).

which is why i support the gladiator arena so much becasue it satisfies those players who want simple things for fps, but for people board with simple minded modes we would have planetary conquest or faction warfare where Dust is harder and provides a war like conquering feeling ,along with complex game modes of course.

for example say the noobs or COD player or what ever you call it is a infant. Now the Dust vets are adults. You would give that infant rattle or some simple baby toy to play with. Now as the child gets older from infant to toddler to small child that rattle isnt going to entertain them anymore ,so you get them a big better toy to play with and so on. It wouldnt be a smart idea to give a infant a six pack of beer and tell it to have fun nor will it be a good idea to have a 20 year old playing with a rattle still.

first you have to cater to the new bloods then when bordom hits (like in most fps) let them explore the deapth of the game.

i hope there is a major difference between PC and skirmish. i hope when they try PC they say GÇ¥crap thats hardGÇ£. i hope that the imperfects conquer half of new eden.

im just not sure how CCP is going to retain the noobs coming in.

unrelated: if CCP neededs a new innovative game mode then it will probably be made in the gladiator arena

all i want to say is yes i think they should be more modes but why the hell do we want to copy a game like MAG its been done in mag we want to be some thing new fresh some thing no one done before that will keep us entertained
not some thing all you mag players say why not copy mag and yet all you mag player say that the games dying why the hell copy a game thats dying any way

well that mag defender sounds alot like rush on battle field 3 why don't we just take points from that fps while we at it

The stupidity problem could have easily been overcomed if the burnoff towers were behind the bunkers instead of in front of them, or if the auto-FRAGO wasn't set on the towers, but the bunkers instead.

See there are some people that don't have the slightest clue about PR. Good PR is putting a product that is known to need work into a test market. Good PR welcomes the feedback that WAS ASKED FOR, both positive and negative. Good PR then takes that feedback, incorporates it into the product, then re-releases product to test market again until product is licensed and released to retail.

CCP in my opinion, has good PR. Until they allow and encourage bad PR. Bad PR is having an entitled group in your community that feels like they have some right to TRY and belittle the ones that are new to the community. Or the ones that may have missed an announcement. Its bad PR to INVITE players from a much larger spectrum to a beta, asking for feedback yet allowing fanboys to troll around and act stuck-up.

Typical RPG gamer's forum behavior. Whining that people are whining. You should run and tell MOM on us all.

I always try to put myself in the position I was in a few months ago. The 100% noob position. Now that everyone has closed their eyes and envisioned being a first day noob to DUST, ask yourself:
Do I want to bother with this game after the 20 completely imbalanced and boring pub matches I just played? Do I even want to bother with a game that when I went to the forum and tried to express my opinions about the lameness of pub matches some pretentious nerd scolded me for my tone?

I'm convinced that a lot of the fanboys actually work over there at CCP but don't put the Dev tag next to their name because they either have no balls, or they don't want everybody to know that they are Dev because Devs cheat/hack. There ARE those that do have just a teeny bit of knowledge from inside of the industry.

I agree with a lot of what you say. Especially those parts that about how sometimes people will get shouted down here end of story. I kind of feel that we would do better as a community to try to work through the rage and get to understand why some people are so disappointed with this game. Even when we are sick and tired of hearing the same old rants and feel like we know better.

And also I would somewhat reluctantly agree that it can appear that there are cliques, and favoritism, and questionable levels of privilege and access, and that sycophants hold undue sway in this here land of New Eden, but I would only go so far as to say it sort of looks like that, sometimes. That there is, again, the appearance of a certain amount chumminess between some of the community and CCP itself that makes me feel uneasy, from time to time.

But if anyone wanted an example of proper tinfoil hattery, here it is. Or there it is. In that quoted passage. Ladies and gentlemen, this man has donned his tinfoil hat! Behold the knowledge a cranium thusly protected will allow you to put forth!

i stopped reading after Titan mode from BF2142, auto +1 simply for that. But agreed Mavado, shi*t is to simple game mode wise