If ppl want ther AUR back along with boosters then ask for a reset where your character is completely wiped of all SP/ISK and items you have collected through the beta

You would start off at 0, square 1 and that is the only way

What we are getting on the 6th of may is an SP reallocation which is not a reset thus you get nothing back

I am not greedy I am just used to hold people accountable.

1. I purchased a deal and I want CCP to come through with it with no gimmics intended to weasel their way out of it. I paid money and expect back the promised product/service just as promised on the release.

2. People who whine about this in the vast majority were too cheap to buy any packs or aurum. It's the people who don't give a damn and want a freebie. They are not the ones paying their hard earned money to support the developer. And then you see these same ppl crawl out of somewhere and start pontificating about greed. I find it ironic.

Because you said so? **** off troll.

The merc pack must be "credited in full", that means that come commercial release you're character must posses each item that was included in the merc pack, or "an item of equal worth". By allowing you to keep any boosted SP, CCP have already credited "an item of equal worth to you", since the boosted SP is of equal worth to the booster you used to obtain it.

That means CCP does not have to give you another booster when they re-credit the rest of your merc pack.

You didn't use the booster to it's fullest potential? That's your problem.

As far as I understand we will be keeping all of our gear and SP from beta to commercial release
(If I am wrong on this then my whole premise is flawed. Even if it's ONLY SP then I'm still happy)

I bought the Assault BPO and Logi BPO because I thought we were getting a AUR reset. "**** it, I'll see which one I prefer and buy that in the release". Then when I heard we're getting to keep our SP it's like "WOOHOO! fuckign keep my aurum! I just got a months of free SP, would need a **** load of boosters for that".

Am I correct in the "no SP reset"?
If so, who cares? it's tens of thousands worth of boosters we're getting

Its more of a SP reallocation

So say you have 8mil in SP in various skills, well what happens is they take the SP off all the skills and give it back to you in a lump some so you can put them all back into whatever you want

Also you get back all the ISK for buying the books so you can rebuy the books without spending more ISK

AUR will most likely not be refuneded, most likely due to the fact that the majority bought the AUR for boosters and its how they ended up with 9mil

I mean i have 8.5mil and if i wanted my AUR back then i would expect to go back to 0 SP since i used my AUR for boosters and without the booster i would be at 4mil

Yeah that's more or less what I expected. As such all this discussion about getting AUR refunds baffles me.

Keep my ******* AUR as long as I can have my SP

Exactly right

Those who want an AUR refund just want to use all the boosters again and add to the SP they already have

Notice how many do not want a full reset including items/SP and ISK for them to get the full amount of AUR back

Plenty of people are greedy, it's arguably human nature. However, plenty of us were expecting a SP reset, on commercial release when we purchased the merc packs, are still okay with one (and are even beginning to prefer one over all this nonsense), and expect to get our merc packs refunded to us upon commercial release.

Just because a good number of vocal people trying to get more than they deserve exist doesn't mean they aren't entitled to at least part of what they are arguing for. I sincerely wish CCP would never have caved to all the QQ threads about not wanting any more SP resets, but alas, here we are.

Why would anyone assume that "last reset" means "we have nullified the agreement of the Merc Pack, you will not be receiving the rest of your purchase"? That would be an absolutely ridiculous assumption.



I want what I paid for, a refund of all Merc Pack items at Commercial Release. This has nothing to do with the May 6th Uprising update, because Uprising is not yet "commercial release".



This isn't about the money, it's about principle. I completely disagree with the assessment that I "want something I didn't pay for", because I DID pay for a Merc Pack. I am simply advocating to receive the entirety of the content that I purchased, which again, included a full refund of all items at commercial release.

The UVT is $.50 a month, and it's clear in the description what you are purchasing. If someone said "I bought a 30 day UVT, but it only lasted 15 days" I would be 100% on their side. Seems YOU would be arguing "well, they changed their plans, now the 30 day UVTs are 15 days, HTFU". Again, it's not the price that matters, it's the principle. You don't change a product sell to someone AFTER they purchase it. That's just slimy.



You are the one advocating to "cheat" Merc Pack purchasers out of part of their purchase. This whole thing is about principle. You don't sell someone a product and then ex post facto decide "well, you only get half of this stuff because we have 'changed our plans' ". That is despicable behavior. Why would anyone want to play a game where the developer sells players a product, and then removes half of the items they purchased with no equal value replacement?

I honestly don't understand your argument man. I can't figure out where your motivation is derived from. We purchased Merc Packs that were specifically designed and marketed to us as a way to prepurchase items for Commercial Release, and now 6-9 months from Commercial Release still inside the Beta, you don't think we should get those items on release and should be happy to have them used-up in a beta with 10% of the content here.

I wonder if maybe you weren't around a year ago when they first started selling these, and thus don't understand how hard they pushed them as a "prepurchase for launch" and how they assured us over and over again that "it would be wrong to charge you real world money for Beta items".

The logic answer to the AUR refund problem is a full SP reset (SP back to 500,000). You know they can do it if they want to since there's no wording about not resetting SP. You get all your AUR back but you'll have to grind again. It's one of the reasons some of us don't care about AUR refund and are happy enough with the SP refund of May 6th.

Way out is easy. On commercial release allow people to RESET their account -- all characters are wiped to initial SP/ISK level, all AUR is reimbursed and all assignable items are ready to be assigned again.

This way they are given their precious AUR back and can STFU. T&Cs don't say that it can not be done this way, so please CCP, consider this.

I've read it and I'm saying -- give people a fair choice. You're saying -- bullying. Seems to me that you're running a scam here and trying to get as much people as possible to whine with you, just to kitten with CCP and force their hand. And you dare to speak about supporting them at the same time. Are you stupid or trolling?

Getting AUR back without reset is unfair. You got your moneys worth, and want to hold to it while you get your money back. Can't spell it any other way -- you're a scammer. Deal with it.

As you recall the uvt price was changed. I bought a bunch on the tenth and then they changed the price and reversed my purchase with no notice to me and others. That I would agree was wrong and I expressed my feelings to CCP in a petition. I didn't see people then screaming about it and many told those of us that bought them cheaper oh well the price changed.This is completely different.

We were informed of the change before it happened.

In your world CCP can never make a change to plans for fear of this kind of crap.

As far as how long I have been around, look up my history I have been in the beta since about 2 weeks after it started before eve pilots were even given keys. Most of the mercs packs I bought were the "old" description in about the amount of 240,000 aur so I would have a lot to gain by agreeing with you on this subject.
The ONLY way I would think this would be fair to return the aur would be if it came with a full reset but that isn't what you want which says your position is based on greed not fairness.

Take it up with CCP, they are the ones who sold the Merc Pack and set the commercial release time table. Don't punish players who support the company with resets.

All in all, it looks like CCP fully intends to honor their agreement, so the argument is moot aside from marveling at the glorious white knights.

LOL, well aren't you a super special snowflake, you justice defending CCP supporter, you.

And here my whole life I thought that you can either eat the cake or have it. Because in real world you can not get your money back and keep the goods, why would you think it would work here? Goods or money back. It's not "punishment" it's how exchanging goods for money works.

And I for one am not marveling at the amount of self entitled douchebags trolling these lands. Bunch of whiners constantly bitching about everything, you've been ruining the game for a year now. Great job! Moreover you're pushing us towards global SP reset and if you succeed, then congrats, as this will be the best mass troll so far.

And good luck taking CCP to court over this when your campaign fails, I'm sure they're not ready for you after running EVE for 10 years. I'm almost certain, that they've already soiled their breeches and are ready to surrender. Godspeed.

We're not greedy, we're entitled to it. it CLEARLY differentiates between RESETS and ON RELEASE. Why would they say AND ON RELEASE if they didn't plan on giving it back ON RELEASE? seems pretty clear to me CCP had a mind to give it all back on release, regardless of a reset, and anyone with a basic understanding of english can understand that after reading the merc pack.

this is dismissive BULL ****! I have spent hundreds of dollars on merc packs and aurum with the understanding that the benefits I gained from it would not disappear with out a refund. To ask any more is absolute bull ****, are you caring the benefits of the money you spent into the final release? yes! so any other pursuit of this is nothing less then abuse of law under the self righteous guise of holding a company to its contracts, or plain selfishness. frank you I hope all of you that asked for refunds are offered full resets or the door, becuase **** you.

The issue I see is that CCP released the game a while ago, but did not say they did. And instead claim may is the real release, even though all assets are not going to be reset.

The issue I see is that CCP released the game a while ago, but did not say they did. And instead claim may is the real release, even though all assets are not going to be reset.