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Baal Roo wrote:

charlesnette dalari wrote:

Baal Roo,

You say CCP's plans changing doesn't matter to you and yet I know you have seen the line "Subject to change ".

You also say that none of the threads I posted show where CCP said you would not get your aur refunded again after the 10th.
You are feigning stupidity to not know what the words "last reset" mean In this link which was the migration dev blog I posted earlier http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/74180

Why would anyone assume that "last reset" means "we have nullified the agreement of the Merc Pack, you will not be receiving the rest of your purchase"? That would be an absolutely ridiculous assumption.

charlesnette dalari wrote:

So Baal am I wrong to assume that you want what was in the mercs pack without a full reset including SP? I am pretty sure that's the case and if so all of your arguments are useless since in reality we both know you want something you didn't pay for. You want the SP you got from the boosters, bpo you bought before the price went up etc. Its also quite disengenuous to be making all this racket right before PC. That's the true motivation right you are looking for an equipment edge.

I want what I paid for, a refund of all Merc Pack items at Commercial Release. This has nothing to do with the May 6th Uprising update, because Uprising is not yet "commercial release".

charlesnette dalari wrote:

What is even funnier is this thread below where you call someone a cheap ass over them complaining about UVT prices and you and your aur refund buddies are the definition of cheap asses wanting something they didn't pay for rather than doing what I and most of us will do and buy additional mercs packs when we need them rather than trying to get them free.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=465720#post465720
Baal Roo
#12Posted: 2013.01.12 06:45 | Report
If you play the game enough to WANT to have UVT, and refuse to pay 50-ó a month to the upkeep of the otherwise completely free entertainment, you're a cheap ass.

This isn't about the money, it's about principle. I completely disagree with the assessment that I "want something I didn't pay for", because I DID pay for a Merc Pack. I am simply advocating to receive the entirety of the content that I purchased, which again, included a full refund of all items at commercial release.

The UVT is $.50 a month, and it's clear in the description what you are purchasing. If someone said "I bought a 30 day UVT, but it only lasted 15 days" I would be 100% on their side. Seems YOU would be arguing "well, they changed their plans, now the 30 day UVTs are 15 days, HTFU". Again, it's not the price that matters, it's the principle. You don't change a product sell to someone AFTER they purchase it. That's just slimy.

charlesnette dalari wrote:

Perhaps CCP should give all you aur refund guys a tin cup you can carry in the game instead of a rifle. They did say they could substitute items.

You also say that if CCP doesn't let you cheat them and us players that purchased merc packs that are not looking for an unwarranted aur refund (some players think CCP making a profit is good for the games long term success) that you are going to qwit and take yoo ball home and tell the whole 600 in your corp you are leaving.
Good riddance.
I am sure dust can survive without you and anyone that agrees with you that cheating CCP out of profit and in effect cheating other honest customers is OK. I hope CCP does the right thing here for us honest customers you are trying to cheat and tells you cheap asses to do what the rest of us do when we want a mercs pack, WE PAY FOR IT since the last reset was 1/10/13

You are the one advocating to "cheat" Merc Pack purchasers out of part of their purchase. This whole thing is about principle. You don't sell someone a product and then ex post facto decide "well, you only get half of this stuff because we have 'changed our plans' ". That is despicable behavior. Why would anyone want to play a game where the developer sells players a product, and then removes half of the items they purchased with no equal value replacement?

I honestly don't understand your argument man. I can't figure out where your motivation is derived from. We purchased Merc Packs that were specifically designed and marketed to us as a way to prepurchase items for Commercial Release, and now 6-9 months from Commercial Release still inside the Beta, you don't think we should get those items on release and should be happy to have them used-up in a beta with 10% of the content here.

I wonder if maybe you weren't around a year ago when they first started selling these, and thus don't understand how hard they pushed them as a "prepurchase for launch" and how they assured us over and over again that "it would be wrong to charge you real world money for Beta items".


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charlesnette dalari Creative Killers 177	Posted - 2013.04.14 22:25:00 - [1] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: We're not greedy, we're entitled to it. it CLEARLY differentiates between RESETS and ON RELEASE. Why would they say AND ON RELEASE if they didn't plan on giving it back ON RELEASE? seems pretty clear to me CCP had a mind to give it all back on release, regardless of a reset, and anyone with a basic understanding of english can understand that after reading the merc pack. Takes more than a grasp of English. How about some logic. The original plan was to have a final full reset at launch. The plan changed. CCP told us this in the following threads Below as well as many players threads I have included asked this same thing over and over and over again. There is no way anyone could mistake the clear decision for 1/10/13 to be the final reset and the last aurum reset. Hell there were even podcasts on the subject with devs saying this in IRC as well. CCP changed the plan of how they would be doing resets and they let everyone know this. Now magically people somehow believe that CCP should have known their future change of plans ahead of when they first wrote the mercs pack description. I am going to give you all credit for not being so stupid you think CCP knows the future and assume you simply want something for nothing. Stupidity or greed aside CCP specifically told us that they were making 1/10/13 the LAST reset to give us a little head start on the open beta players as a way of saying thanks to the closed beta players. CCP did the right thing and it was to benefit us to not have to go back to zero and grind it all again. You should be thankful for that rather than trying to get one over on them. Use some common sense, plans changed. You were informed of the Change and then they changed the wording of the mercs pack to reflect the new plan. If you disagreed with this you should have expressed in the forum or in a petition to CCP BACK THEN that you wanted to have another reset at commercial release to include your SP. If you didn't do it then you are crap out of luck now and have absolutely no leg to stand on with your argument. So if CCP were to give in and say OK we are going to only reset your aur on may 6 and let you keep the SP this is the last reset (sound kind of familiar I can swear we were already told the 10th was the last reset). I can bet you selfish, cheap, morally bankrupt cry babies would post these same threads the moment a new build was coming and would say well yeah they said its the last reset again but the mercs pack wording said a reset upon commercial release. How about you quit trying to cheat CCP for making a change in plans to benefit you. IF you want an aur reset then it should come with a FULL reset like it had every time up to the 10th. If you disagree you are just trying to cheat CCP which in turn is cheating ALL of the players including those like me that have bought 300,000 aur to date. Yes its also trying to cheat me since I have invested in this game in hopes it will succeed and greedy small minded instant gratification children such as you are potentially harming CCP by reducing profit which can be used to make this game better for us all. Below are just a small sample of the threads including OFFICIAL CCP ones explaining No more resets. http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/74180 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=50063&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=18203&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=50074&find=unread Noc tempre thread basically Accepting this was the final reset but now he is one of the loudest trying to cheat us all https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=50256&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=50302&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=461847#post461847 There are tons more with many of the same people who are whining today and back then they accepted it was the last reset. Funny how outraged they are now when we are close to a new build with planetary conquest and they weren't then.
charlesnette dalari Creative Killers 177	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:27:00 - [2] - Quote Baal Roo, You say CCP's plans changing doesn't matter to you and yet I know you have seen the line "Subject to change ". You also say that none of the threads I posted show where CCP said you would not get your aur refunded again after the 10th. You are feigning stupidity to not know what the words "last reset" mean In this link which was the migration dev blog I posted earlier http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/74180 So Baal am I wrong to assume that you want what was in the mercs pack without a full reset including SP? I am pretty sure that's the case and if so all of your arguments are useless since in reality we both know you want something you didn't pay for. You want the SP you got from the boosters, bpo you bought before the price went up etc. Its also quite disengenuous to be making all this racket right before PC. That's the true motivation right you are looking for an equipment edge. What is even funnier is this thread below where you call someone a cheap ass over them complaining about UVT prices and you and your aur refund buddies are the definition of cheap asses wanting something they didn't pay for rather than doing what I and most of us will do and buy additional mercs packs when we need them rather than trying to get them free. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=465720#post465720 Baal Roo #12Posted: 2013.01.12 06:45 \| Report If you play the game enough to WANT to have UVT, and refuse to pay 50-ó a month to the upkeep of the otherwise completely free entertainment, you're a cheap ass. Perhaps CCP should give all you aur refund guys a tin cup you can carry in the game instead of a rifle. They did say they could substitute items. You also say that if CCP doesn't let you cheat them and us players that purchased merc packs that are not looking for an unwarranted aur refund (some players think CCP making a profit is good for the games long term success) that you are going to qwit and take yoo ball home and tell the whole 600 in your corp you are leaving. Good riddance. I am sure dust can survive without you and anyone that agrees with you that cheating CCP out of profit and in effect cheating other honest customers is OK. I hope CCP does the right thing here for us honest customers you are trying to cheat and tells you cheap asses to do what the rest of us do when we want a mercs pack, WE PAY FOR IT since the last reset was 1/10/13
charlesnette dalari Creative Killers 181	Posted - 2013.04.15 18:41:00 - [3] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: charlesnette dalari wrote: Baal Roo, You say CCP's plans changing doesn't matter to you and yet I know you have seen the line "Subject to change ". You also say that none of the threads I posted show where CCP said you would not get your aur refunded again after the 10th. You are feigning stupidity to not know what the words "last reset" mean In this link which was the migration dev blog I posted earlier http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/74180 Why would anyone assume that "last reset" means "we have nullified the agreement of the Merc Pack, you will not be receiving the rest of your purchase"? That would be an absolutely ridiculous assumption. charlesnette dalari wrote: So Baal am I wrong to assume that you want what was in the mercs pack without a full reset including SP? I am pretty sure that's the case and if so all of your arguments are useless since in reality we both know you want something you didn't pay for. You want the SP you got from the boosters, bpo you bought before the price went up etc. Its also quite disengenuous to be making all this racket right before PC. That's the true motivation right you are looking for an equipment edge. I want what I paid for, a refund of all Merc Pack items at Commercial Release. This has nothing to do with the May 6th Uprising update, because Uprising is not yet "commercial release". charlesnette dalari wrote: What is even funnier is this thread below where you call someone a cheap ass over them complaining about UVT prices and you and your aur refund buddies are the definition of cheap asses wanting something they didn't pay for rather than doing what I and most of us will do and buy additional mercs packs when we need them rather than trying to get them free. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=465720#post465720 Baal Roo #12Posted: 2013.01.12 06:45 \| Report If you play the game enough to WANT to have UVT, and refuse to pay 50-ó a month to the upkeep of the otherwise completely free entertainment, you're a cheap ass. This isn't about the money, it's about principle. I completely disagree with the assessment that I "want something I didn't pay for", because I DID pay for a Merc Pack. I am simply advocating to receive the entirety of the content that I purchased, which again, included a full refund of all items at commercial release. The UVT is $.50 a month, and it's clear in the description what you are purchasing. If someone said "I bought a 30 day UVT, but it only lasted 15 days" I would be 100% on their side. Seems YOU would be arguing "well, they changed their plans, now the 30 day UVTs are 15 days, HTFU". Again, it's not the price that matters, it's the principle. You don't change a product sell to someone AFTER they purchase it. That's just slimy. charlesnette dalari wrote: Perhaps CCP should give all you aur refund guys a tin cup you can carry in the game instead of a rifle. They did say they could substitute items. You also say that if CCP doesn't let you cheat them and us players that purchased merc packs that are not looking for an unwarranted aur refund (some players think CCP making a profit is good for the games long term success) that you are going to qwit and take yoo ball home and tell the whole 600 in your corp you are leaving. Good riddance. I am sure dust can survive without you and anyone that agrees with you that cheating CCP out of profit and in effect cheating other honest customers is OK. I hope CCP does the right thing here for us honest customers you are trying to cheat and tells you cheap asses to do what the rest of us do when we want a mercs pack, WE PAY FOR IT since the last reset was 1/10/13 You are the one advocating to "cheat" Merc Pack purchasers out of part of their purchase. This whole thing is about principle. You don't sell someone a product and then ex post facto decide "well, you only get half of this stuff because we have 'changed our plans' ". That is despicable behavior. Why would anyone want to play a game where the developer sells players a product, and then removes half of the items they purchased with no equal value replacement? I honestly don't understand your argument man. I can't figure out where your motivation is derived from. We purchased Merc Packs that were specifically designed and marketed to us as a way to prepurchase items for Commercial Release, and now 6-9 months from Commercial Release still inside the Beta, you don't think we should get those items on release and should be happy to have them used-up in a beta with 10% of the content here. I wonder if maybe you weren't around a year ago when they first started selling these, and thus don't understand how hard they pushed them as a "prepurchase for launch" and how they assured us over and over again that "it would be wrong to charge you real world money for Beta items". As you recall the uvt price was changed. I bought a bunch on the tenth and then they changed the price and reversed my purchase with no notice to me and others. That I would agree was wrong and I expressed my feelings to CCP in a petition. I didn't see people then screaming about it and many told those of us that bought them cheaper oh well the price changed. This is completely different. We were informed of the change before it happened. In your world CCP can never make a change to plans for fear of this kind of crap. As far as how long I have been around, look up my history I have been in the beta since about 2 weeks after it started before eve pilots were even given keys. Most of the mercs packs I bought were the "old" description in about the amount of 240,000 aur so I would have a lot to gain by agreeing with you on this subject. The ONLY way I would think this would be fair to return the aur would be if it came with a full reset but that isn't what you want which says your position is based on greed not fairness.