Can we limit these to just 10 threads? why do we need so many? no matter how this resolves we are still going to get dozens more threads gloating or pissed off.

Please CCP, DUST Admins, GMs, whatever, make a couple threads "official" and lock all the new ones. Please

Well, I guess they should just stop being greedy fucktards and be happy that they have a Free to Play shooter available.

If they don't like it, they can always GTFO.

Thing is, you got the stuff you paid for, you just wouldn't be getting it again without paying for it again which is what you want.

You feel that you are entitled to something for free when you're not, it really just boils down to that.

All of the people who are crying for their AUR back are doing the same thing my 5 y/o does when he doesn't get his own way; throwing a tantrum, nothing more, nothing less.

You can spin it however you want, try to get all legalese on it as much as you want but in the end it all boils down to throwing a tantrum like spoilt children.

Takes more than a grasp of English. How about some logic. The original plan was to have a final full reset at launch. The plan changed.

CCP told us this in the following threads Below as well as many players threads I have included asked this same thing over and over and over again. There is no way anyone could mistake the clear decision for 1/10/13 to be the final reset and the last aurum reset. Hell there were even podcasts on the subject with devs saying this in IRC as well.

CCP changed the plan of how they would be doing resets and they let everyone know this. Now magically people somehow believe that CCP should have known their future change of plans ahead of when they first wrote the mercs pack description. I am going to give you all credit for not being so stupid you think CCP knows the future and assume you simply want something for nothing.

Stupidity or greed aside CCP specifically told us that they were making 1/10/13 the LAST reset to give us a little head start on the open beta players as a way of saying thanks to the closed beta players. CCP did the right thing and it was to benefit us to not have to go back to zero and grind it all again. You should be thankful for that rather than trying to get one over on them.

Use some common sense, plans changed. You were informed of the Change and then they changed the wording of the mercs pack to reflect the new plan. If you disagreed with this you should have expressed in the forum or in a petition to CCP BACK THEN that you wanted to have another reset at commercial release to include your SP. If you didn't do it then you are crap out of luck now and have absolutely no leg to stand on with your argument.

So if CCP were to give in and say OK we are going to only reset your aur on may 6 and let you keep the SP this is the last reset (sound kind of familiar I can swear we were already told the 10th was the last reset). I can bet you selfish, cheap, morally bankrupt cry babies would post these same threads the moment a new build was coming and would say well yeah they said its the last reset again but the mercs pack wording said a reset upon commercial release.

How about you quit trying to cheat CCP for making a change in plans to benefit you.

IF you want an aur reset then it should come with a FULL reset like it had every time up to the 10th. If you disagree you are just trying to cheat CCP which in turn is cheating ALL of the players including those like me that have bought 300,000 aur to date. Yes its also trying to cheat me since I have invested in this game in hopes it will succeed and greedy small minded instant gratification children such as you are potentially harming CCP by reducing profit which can be used to make this game better for us all.

Below are just a small sample of the threads including OFFICIAL CCP ones explaining No more resets.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/74180
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=50063&find=unread
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=18203&find=unread
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=50074&find=unread

Noc tempre thread basically Accepting this was the final reset but now he is one of the loudest trying to cheat us all
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=50256&find=unread

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=50302&find=unread
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=461847#post461847

There are tons more with many of the same people who are whining today and back then they accepted it was the last reset. Funny how outraged they are now when we are close to a new build with planetary conquest and they weren't then.

I'm not attacking anyone, I am simply stating how I view things.

In all of the threads I have read where people are demanding that they get their AUR refunded "on commercial release", they're doing little more than having a sophisticated tantrum. They may not be stamping their feet and shrieking at the top of their lungs (IDK though, they might be doing that at their keyboard), but they are nonetheless throwing a tantrum.

I paid for multiple merc packs as well as a tank pack to try them out, you don't see me making childish demands regarding AUR do you? I gave CCP my money because I want to see them succeed with Dust, not because I wanted to get double what I paid for. If CCP halves the price of all things AUR/Dust related, then I might be up in arms about it, until then though, I'm happy with the purchases that I've made.

As of this post, I am washing my hands of this topic. I've made clear my views on the topic and just for clarity's sake, I'll reiterate them below.

___________________________________________________________________________________________________


Anyone demanding CCP refund their AUR is throwing a tantrum no matter how hard they try to sound sophisticated about it. No refund, No SP reset (beyond the respec on the release of Uprising and any other future builds).

HTFU or GTFO

/discussion as far as I am concerned.

Baal Roo,

You say CCP's plans changing doesn't matter to you and yet I know you have seen the line "Subject to change ".

You also say that none of the threads I posted show where CCP said you would not get your aur refunded again after the 10th.
You are feigning stupidity to not know what the words "last reset" mean In this link which was the migration dev blog I posted earlier http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/74180

So Baal am I wrong to assume that you want what was in the mercs pack without a full reset including SP? I am pretty sure that's the case and if so all of your arguments are useless since in reality we both know you want something you didn't pay for. You want the SP you got from the boosters, bpo you bought before the price went up etc. Its also quite disengenuous to be making all this racket right before PC. That's the true motivation right you are looking for an equipment edge.

What is even funnier is this thread below where you call someone a cheap ass over them complaining about UVT prices and you and your aur refund buddies are the definition of cheap asses wanting something they didn't pay for rather than doing what I and most of us will do and buy additional mercs packs when we need them rather than trying to get them free.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=465720#post465720
Baal Roo
#12Posted: 2013.01.12 06:45 | Report
If you play the game enough to WANT to have UVT, and refuse to pay 50-ó a month to the upkeep of the otherwise completely free entertainment, you're a cheap ass.

Perhaps CCP should give all you aur refund guys a tin cup you can carry in the game instead of a rifle. They did say they could substitute items.

You also say that if CCP doesn't let you cheat them and us players that purchased merc packs that are not looking for an unwarranted aur refund (some players think CCP making a profit is good for the games long term success) that you are going to qwit and take yoo ball home and tell the whole 600 in your corp you are leaving.
Good riddance.
I am sure dust can survive without you and anyone that agrees with you that cheating CCP out of profit and in effect cheating other honest customers is OK. I hope CCP does the right thing here for us honest customers you are trying to cheat and tells you cheap asses to do what the rest of us do when we want a mercs pack, WE PAY FOR IT since the last reset was 1/10/13

You cannot bully me into accepting a reset to get what we agreed upon when purchasing. AKA Bullying.

The logic answer to the AUR refund problem is a full SP reset (SP back to 500,000). You know they can do it if they want to since there's no wording about not resetting SP. You get all your AUR back but you'll have to grind again. It's one of the reasons some of us don't care about AUR refund and are happy enough with the SP refund of May 6th.

Way out is easy. On commercial release allow people to RESET their account -- all characters are wiped to initial SP/ISK level, all AUR is reimbursed and all assignable items are ready to be assigned again.

This way they are given their precious AUR back and can STFU. T&Cs don't say that it can not be done this way, so please CCP, consider this.

I've read it and I'm saying -- give people a fair choice. You're saying -- bullying. Seems to me that you're running a scam here and trying to get as much people as possible to whine with you, just to kitten with CCP and force their hand. And you dare to speak about supporting them at the same time. Are you stupid or trolling?

Getting AUR back without reset is unfair. You got your moneys worth, and want to hold to it while you get your money back. Can't spell it any other way -- you're a scammer. Deal with it.

As you recall the uvt price was changed. I bought a bunch on the tenth and then they changed the price and reversed my purchase with no notice to me and others. That I would agree was wrong and I expressed my feelings to CCP in a petition. I didn't see people then screaming about it and many told those of us that bought them cheaper oh well the price changed.This is completely different.

We were informed of the change before it happened.

In your world CCP can never make a change to plans for fear of this kind of crap.

As far as how long I have been around, look up my history I have been in the beta since about 2 weeks after it started before eve pilots were even given keys. Most of the mercs packs I bought were the "old" description in about the amount of 240,000 aur so I would have a lot to gain by agreeing with you on this subject.
The ONLY way I would think this would be fair to return the aur would be if it came with a full reset but that isn't what you want which says your position is based on greed not fairness.

LOL, well aren't you a super special snowflake, you justice defending CCP supporter, you.

And here my whole life I thought that you can either eat the cake or have it. Because in real world you can not get your money back and keep the goods, why would you think it would work here? Goods or money back. It's not "punishment" it's how exchanging goods for money works.

And I for one am not marveling at the amount of self entitled douchebags trolling these lands. Bunch of whiners constantly bitching about everything, you've been ruining the game for a year now. Great job! Moreover you're pushing us towards global SP reset and if you succeed, then congrats, as this will be the best mass troll so far.

And good luck taking CCP to court over this when your campaign fails, I'm sure they're not ready for you after running EVE for 10 years. I'm almost certain, that they've already soiled their breeches and are ready to surrender. Godspeed.

The issue I see is that CCP released the game a while ago, but did not say they did. And instead claim may is the real release, even though all assets are not going to be reset.