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JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
311
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Posted - 2013.04.15 07:29:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:JL3Eleven wrote: Correct. But if I bought for example 25 merc packs and totally used up 22 of them (25-22=3 keep up) they would still be responsible for refunding the other 22 merc packs. Agreed?
Yes.
Great. Now to the point where it was stated that when I bought the the merc packs they would be refunded on resets and commercial release. Commercial release is yet to happen. Agreed? |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
311
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Posted - 2013.04.15 07:30:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:JL3Eleven wrote: Correct. But if I bought for example 25 merc packs and totally used up 22 of them (25-22=3 keep up) they would still be responsible for refunding the other 22 merc packs. Agreed?
Yes. But it's "re-crediting" not "refunding" and it applies to each item within those merc packs, not the entire thing. You'd still only have 25 toxin BPOs, since they didn't get used up.
Correct.
edit: but the aurum, Fused locus, and other disposable stuff will be returned to normal (Fused Locus x50 X the 25 merc packs = 1,250 Fused locus nades I would receive.) |
Enderr Wigginn
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
90
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Posted - 2013.04.15 07:32:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Enderr Wigginn wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Enderr Wigginn wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:
You cannot bully me into accepting a reset to get what we agreed upon when purchasing. AKA Bullying.
They do not have to bully you, CCP reserves the right to reset you character at any point during the beta. So really a choice would them being nice. Yes the can reset my character and yours too but they legally have to return all purchased merc packs as per our agreement. Being "nice" is not forcing me to take a reset to have my already agree too items returned. Otherwise I would be forced to leave them behind to stay in my current state and not receive everything we both agreed too. Okay well what if CCP said okay we have heard all of your QQing and are going to do a complete character/merc pack reset during commercial release to for fill their contractual agreement. I'm cool with that. I just want everything we ( CCP and I) agreed upon when I purchased said merc packs.
Okay So what would be wrong with doing that but giving the option for the player not to be reset. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
869
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Posted - 2013.04.15 07:32:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:JL3Eleven wrote: Correct. But if I bought for example 25 merc packs and totally used up 22 of them (25-22=3 keep up) they would still be responsible for refunding the other 22 merc packs. Agreed?
Yes. Great. Now to the point where it was stated that when I bought the the merc packs they would be refunded on resets and commercial release. Commercial release is yet to happen. Agreed? Yeah, I guess... I'd call this CR, but my opinion on that is irrelevant.
Edit: But it's "re-crediting" not "refunding" and it applies to each item within those merc packs, not the entire thing. You'd still only have 25 toxin BPOs, since they didn't get used up.
Edit 2: Just saw the other post, so ignore the first edit. |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
311
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Posted - 2013.04.15 07:35:00 -
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Enderr Wigginn wrote:Okay So what would be wrong with doing that but giving the option for the player not to be reset.
Because you are forcing me to either keep what I currently have or give everything up and restart to get what I purchased. See my point? |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
311
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Posted - 2013.04.15 07:36:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:JL3Eleven wrote: Correct. But if I bought for example 25 merc packs and totally used up 22 of them (25-22=3 keep up) they would still be responsible for refunding the other 22 merc packs. Agreed?
Yes. Great. Now to the point where it was stated that when I bought the the merc packs they would be refunded on resets and commercial release. Commercial release is yet to happen. Agreed? Yeah, I guess... I'd call this CR, but my opinion on that is irrelevant. Edit: But it's "re-crediting" not "refunding" and it applies to each item within those merc packs, not the entire thing. You'd still only have 25 toxin BPOs, since they didn't get used up. Edit 2: Just saw the other post, so ignore the first edit.
See why this is an issue that needs official clarification? |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
869
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Posted - 2013.04.15 07:38:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:JL3Eleven wrote: Correct. But if I bought for example 25 merc packs and totally used up 22 of them (25-22=3 keep up) they would still be responsible for refunding the other 22 merc packs. Agreed?
Yes. Great. Now to the point where it was stated that when I bought the the merc packs they would be refunded on resets and commercial release. Commercial release is yet to happen. Agreed? Yeah, I guess... I'd call this CR, but my opinion on that is irrelevant. Edit: But it's "re-crediting" not "refunding" and it applies to each item within those merc packs, not the entire thing. You'd still only have 25 toxin BPOs, since they didn't get used up. Edit 2: Just saw the other post, so ignore the first edit. See why this is an issue that needs official clarification? Because CCP hasn't given an official response to the issue, and people are impatient |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
311
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Posted - 2013.04.15 07:40:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Because CCP hasn't given an official response to the issue, and people are impatient
That and they ninja edited the origional agreement. Plus people don't want CCP to uphold their end of the agreement because they would be left out. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
81
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Posted - 2013.04.15 07:41:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Yeva Kalsani wrote:I bought stuff like the Merc Pack and extra AUR because I wanted to support CCP and DUST. I have basically bought a new game in terms of what I've spent in total, and for now, that's that. That I got in-game goodies is an added bonus. Having thoroughly read the terms of use and the store descriptions of these real-money purchases, I actually half-expected to see it all disappear once the game exits beta status. Anything they refund or let us keep or goodies they award us for participation is awesome of them, in my book.
That said, it's not necessarily that people are greedy, it's that they're confusing these purchases with buying a finished product or some form of special service rendered. Right now, IMHO, paying CCP money for DUST in any form is kind of like funding a kickstarter project. The way I understand it, they're letting you keep what you paid for, and compensating for things they take away. In other aspects, you have to rely on the company's good will that you will eventually get what you paid for, which you should only do in good faith. They never agreed to anybody paying now, and getting twice their part of the bargain just for being firsties, though. Closed beta version of Merc Pack description, courtesy of Deluxe Edition and DUST 411. That says very clearly that people who purchased the Merc Pack on those terms are entitled to a reset of our Merc Pack with every character reset, AND a reset of the Merc Pack at commercial release - REGARDLESS of whether there's a character reset for commercial release or not. The wording is clear and specific and easily understood. It doesn't guarantee a reset or lack thereof. It only guarantees a credit of all Merc Pack contents, meaning that we SHOULD be getting everything back when the game is officially released.
Similar value is the part that gets me. We should get something for commercial release because that is what was the agreed upon contract. A full release refund doesn't mean the exact contents of the merc pack. It could be anything CCP wants it to be because they control the contents of the merc pack. You could get some cup holders for your tanks, a door key, hand full of tiny stars, carbon or just some proto suits you can't use yet. |
Enderr Wigginn
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
90
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Posted - 2013.04.15 07:45:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Enderr Wigginn wrote:Okay So what would be wrong with doing that but giving the option for the player not to be reset. Because you are forcing me to either keep what I currently have or give everything up and restart to get what I purchased. See my point?
No I do not understand your point how is it forcing you is they could just do the reset anyways. |
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JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
311
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Posted - 2013.04.15 08:03:00 -
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Enderr Wigginn wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Enderr Wigginn wrote:Okay So what would be wrong with doing that but giving the option for the player not to be reset. Because you are forcing me to either keep what I currently have or give everything up and restart to get what I purchased. See my point? No I do not understand your point how is it forcing you is they could just do the reset anyways.
It's forcing (Bullying) because it's one or the other.
BTW CCP has stated no more resets (back to zero) period unless something catastrophic happens. This is not catastrophic.
CCP needs to man up and accept their losses or risk getting a bad name and losing paying customers. |
Enderr Wigginn
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
90
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Posted - 2013.04.15 08:09:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Enderr Wigginn wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Enderr Wigginn wrote:Okay So what would be wrong with doing that but giving the option for the player not to be reset. Because you are forcing me to either keep what I currently have or give everything up and restart to get what I purchased. See my point? No I do not understand your point how is it forcing you is they could just do the reset anyways. It's forcing (Bullying) because it's one or the other. BTW CCP has stated no more resets (back to zero) period unless something catastrophic happens. This is not catastrophic. CCP needs to man up and accept their losses or risk getting a bad name and losing paying customers.
Okay I concede to have completely different opinions on the topic. |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
312
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Posted - 2013.04.15 08:10:00 -
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Enderr Wigginn wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Enderr Wigginn wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Enderr Wigginn wrote:Okay So what would be wrong with doing that but giving the option for the player not to be reset. Because you are forcing me to either keep what I currently have or give everything up and restart to get what I purchased. See my point? No I do not understand your point how is it forcing you is they could just do the reset anyways. It's forcing (Bullying) because it's one or the other. BTW CCP has stated no more resets (back to zero) period unless something catastrophic happens. This is not catastrophic. CCP needs to man up and accept their losses or risk getting a bad name and losing paying customers. Okay I concede to have completely different opinions on the topic.
That's cool. I agree to disagree. No hard feelings. |
Enderr Wigginn
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
90
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Posted - 2013.04.15 08:15:00 -
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Enderr Wigginn wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:
Okay I concede to have completely different opinions on the topic.
That's cool. I agree to disagree. No hard feelings.
+1 |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
1345
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Posted - 2013.04.15 08:43:00 -
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I've removed some trolling from this thread.
Please note we'll be releasing full details of what will happen with people who purchased Merc Packs which contained such language in the near future. |
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Deadeyes Anterie
Ill Omens EoN.
425
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Posted - 2013.04.15 08:51:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:I've removed some trolling from this thread.
Please note we'll be releasing full details of what will happen with people who purchased Merc Packs which contained such language in the near future.
It's obvious the wording was chosen when they intended to do a reset. That way you get your fun in beta, and when that is taken away and reset you get it again when the game launches for real.
You can demand two for the price of one, and legally you might be in the right. Just know that at the end of the day you are being an ******* who is taking advantage of some internal confusion at CCP. I say if you want two merc packs support CCP and buy two merc packs, the games free for gods sake. |
Aqil Aegivan
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
94
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Posted - 2013.04.15 08:51:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:I've removed some trolling from this thread.
Please note we'll be releasing full details of what will happen with people who purchased Merc Packs which contained such language in the near future.
This seems familiar for some reason, I wonder what it could be? |
Mithridates VI
DUST 411
830
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Posted - 2013.04.15 08:52:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:I've removed some trolling from this thread.
Please note we'll be releasing full details of what will happen with people who purchased Merc Packs which contained such language in the near future.
See also: http://www.dust411.com/2013/04/10/merc-pack-refund-debate-update/
/shameless plug |
Drud Green
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2013.04.15 08:57:00 -
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Heh SOON eh?
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WyrmHero1945
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
110
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Posted - 2013.04.15 09:01:00 -
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The logic answer to the AUR refund problem is a full SP reset (SP back to 500,000). You know they can do it if they want to since there's no wording about not resetting SP. You get all your AUR back but you'll have to grind again. It's one of the reasons some of us don't care about AUR refund and are happy enough with the SP refund of May 6th. |
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Orenji Jiji
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
37
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Posted - 2013.04.15 09:02:00 -
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Way out is easy. On commercial release allow people to RESET their account -- all characters are wiped to initial SP/ISK level, all AUR is reimbursed and all assignable items are ready to be assigned again.
This way they are given their precious AUR back and can STFU. T&Cs don't say that it can not be done this way, so please CCP, consider this. |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
312
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Posted - 2013.04.15 09:14:00 -
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Orenji Jiji wrote:Way out is easy. On commercial release allow people to RESET their account -- all characters are wiped to initial SP/ISK level, all AUR is reimbursed and all assignable items are ready to be assigned again.
This way they are given their precious AUR back and can STFU. T&Cs don't say that it can not be done this way, so please CCP, consider this.
If you do it for 1 person do it for everybody. Don't punish those who are actually supporting CCP by buying the merc packs. Those players are in it for the long term. |
Drud Green
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2013.04.15 09:20:00 -
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Or.... wait for it........ Ccp could honor the original terms and all the jelly people can stfu? Your opinion and feelings have no effect on the contents of the closed beta merc pack. 'refund at commercial release' is 1 of the items i purchased. |
Deadeyes Anterie
Ill Omens EoN.
425
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Posted - 2013.04.15 09:26:00 -
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Drud Green wrote:Or.... wait for it........ Ccp could honor the original terms and all the jelly people can stfu? Your opinion and feelings have no effect on the contents of the closed beta merc pack. 'refund at commercial release' is 1 of the items i purchased.
I feel like I've recognized you from somewhere....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX0fIi3H-es |
Orenji Jiji
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
38
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Posted - 2013.04.15 09:35:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Orenji Jiji wrote:Way out is easy. On commercial release allow people to RESET their account -- all characters are wiped to initial SP/ISK level, all AUR is reimbursed and all assignable items are ready to be assigned again.
This way they are given their precious AUR back and can STFU. T&Cs don't say that it can not be done this way, so please CCP, consider this. If you do it for 1 person do it for everybody. Don't punish those who are actually supporting CCP by buying the merc packs. Those players are in it for the long term. No, it should be done per request, so promise to keep SP from beginning on open beta can be kept. They want their AUR back? Sure, they start clean (RESET) with everything from their merc packs refunded. There will be no "I got advantage from AUR and then got AUR back" topics in the forum. This will be fair and will let people choose.
Otherwise just re-spec and have a good time.
I've bought two merc packs, spent boosters and AUR, I'm happy with it. I would like to keep my inventory and character as is and buy more merc packs when they are offered. I support CCP by giving them my own, hard earned money, not by taking money away. Everybody started grinding like crazy on open beta and hailed "no more resets, go go go", but now you bastards want to get AUR back, because that's in the TOS? Cheap kittens, reset is too good for the lot of you. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1242
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Posted - 2013.04.15 09:41:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:I've removed some trolling from this thread.
Please note we'll be releasing full details of what will happen with people who purchased Merc Packs which contained such language in the near future. Eventually a eta when the legal department figured out how to react to this situation? Cause at the moment all the topics are going nuts due to the unclear view from your side. |
Drud Green
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2013.04.15 09:42:00 -
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Nom nom nom nom so many tears, my cup overfloweth |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
313
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Posted - 2013.04.15 10:11:00 -
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Orenji Jiji wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Orenji Jiji wrote:Way out is easy. On commercial release allow people to RESET their account -- all characters are wiped to initial SP/ISK level, all AUR is reimbursed and all assignable items are ready to be assigned again.
This way they are given their precious AUR back and can STFU. T&Cs don't say that it can not be done this way, so please CCP, consider this. If you do it for 1 person do it for everybody. Don't punish those who are actually supporting CCP by buying the merc packs. Those players are in it for the long term. No, it should be done per request, so promise to keep SP from beginning on open beta can be kept. They want their AUR back? Sure, they start clean (RESET) with everything from their merc packs refunded. There will be no "I got advantage from AUR and then got AUR back" topics in the forum. This will be fair and will let people choose. Otherwise just re-spec and have a good time. I've bought two merc packs, spent boosters and AUR, I'm happy with it. I would like to keep my inventory and character as is and buy more merc packs when they are offered. I support CCP by giving them my own, hard earned money, not by taking money away. Everybody started grinding like crazy on open beta and hailed "no more resets, go go go", but now you bastards want to get AUR back, because that's in the TOS? Cheap kittens, reset is too good for the lot of you.
Sounds like you are only looking out for yourself and have not read this entire thread.
Your reset idea is only good for people who did not buy any merc packs or only one or two, while hurting others who bought more (it's Bullying). |
Orenji Jiji
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
38
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Posted - 2013.04.15 10:22:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Sounds like you are only looking out for yourself and have not read this entire thread.
Your reset idea is only good for people who did not buy any merc packs or only one or two, while hurting others who bought more (it's Bullying).
I've read it and I'm saying -- give people a fair choice. You're saying -- bullying. Seems to me that you're running a scam here and trying to get as much people as possible to whine with you, just to kitten with CCP and force their hand. And you dare to speak about supporting them at the same time. Are you stupid or trolling?
Getting AUR back without reset is unfair. You got your moneys worth, and want to hold to it while you get your money back. Can't spell it any other way -- you're a scammer. Deal with it.
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Drud Green
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2013.04.15 10:35:00 -
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@Orenji how dare people expect what they paid for eh? Stupid trolling scammers!1!1!!1 |
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