There is no way an advanced heavy should fall to a weapon of that caliber right? It happened and I couldnt believe it!

So now heavies should be immmune to some weapon ?

...we re reaching a whole new level in QQ non sense...

The scrambler is actually a good anti heavy weapon as heavies have bigger head and slower speed than the common soldier. And as they re usualky dumb and moving forward without thinking (and then crying me UP buff buff bufff !) All this allows to benefit from the 400% HS bonus. Reaching almost 400 hp per bullet in face.

So tired of all this heavy qqing

So now heavies should be immmune to some weapon ?

...we re reaching a whole new level in QQ non sense...

Heavies are like stand up comedians man. You guys think nothing short of Superman should be able to kill you. That's just the ones with no skill lol! The one's that actually have skill think the gods themselves shouldn't be enough to kill them. CCP this is how you fix this problem. Stop eating around the bush and just make them all Immortal and have them restricted to a game mode that only Heavies can play in and just have them fight themselves all day, problem solved! YOU ARE WELCOME!

What a fool, we are all... IMMORTAL

99% of players can't even do that, even with an AR instead of a pistol. Perhaps the player who did it was extremely skilled regardless of the gun.

Damnit, I wish people would stop noticing how awesome pistols are!

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the headshot bonus for using sniper rifles [including the Thales railgun officer sniper rifle] is 200%. The scrambler pistol is 450%. thats embarassing, no weapon should exceed a sniper rifle in headshot bonus and overall anything exceeding 300% is just overkill. this as been one of the more broken mechanics in the game for some time and its needs fixing. its another reason games must always be tuned with the skilled user in mind, because the skilled shooter breaks the game when given a 450% damage modifier to play with.

Can tanks then be immune to basic AR/HMG/Laser rifle damage since it barely scratches the paintwork

Damnit, I wish people would stop noticing how awesome pistols are!

Damnit, I wish people would stop noticing how awesome pistols are!

41-5 not really that impressive. is it skill or taking advantage of broken mechanics? give scrambler pistols 150% like all the other weapons and see who gets 40 kills with it.

Heavies are like stand up comedians man. You guys think nothing short of Superman should be able to kill you. That's just the ones with no skill lol! The one's that actually have skill think the gods themselves shouldn't be enough to kill them. CCP this is how you fix this problem. Stop eating around the bush and just make them all Immortal and have them restricted to a game mode that only Heavies can play in and just have them fight themselves all day, problem solved! YOU ARE WELCOME!

Getting a higher bonus for sitting in a mountain rather than being on the heat of the battle with 6 rounds per mag and trashy irons?

Get outta here.

ur missing the point, bro. he's right no weapon should have a bigger headshot bonus than a railgun sniper rifle and 450% if thats true is redonkulous. it begs to be exploited.

missing the point, bro. he's right no weapon should have a bigger headshot bonus than a railgun sniper rifle and 450% if thats true is redonkulous. it begs to be exploited.

scrambler pistols are pretty good guys, we have a guy in our corp who actually specializes in them and does ridiculously well with them.

ur missing the point, bro. he's right no weapon should have a bigger headshot bonus than a railgun sniper rifle and 450% if thats true is redonkulous. it begs to be exploited.

So the OP is trying to say that Heavies are not allowed to die by the scrambler pistol.
if this is the kind mercs new Eden has to offer.

Than we are F****d......

I was being sarcastic in my original post.... Because I was the one who did it lmao

ur missing the point, bro. he's right no weapon should have a bigger headshot bonus than a railgun sniper rifle and 450% if thats true is redonkulous. it begs to be exploited.

Fine then buff the SR headshot bonus to 450%, just leave the garbage Scrambler Pistol alone, it is garbage enough as it is.

Any changes to the negative for it and it would just be a worthless waste of ISK/AUR, anyone considering using one should just leave them be, they're truly not worth it.

SP's aren't garbage. They're fun.

And... No to the SR buff. That would be ridiculous. Headshot a proto heavy with the militia sniper rifle. Or anything, really.

not that great of a troll by 2/10 for effort

I was being sarcastic in my original post.... Because I was the one who did it lmao

bad mechanics shouldnt stay because people like them. thats stupid as heck.

Scrambler pistols should get nerfed because you don't like being killed by head shots? That's just stupid.

So now scrambler pistols have been added to the list "this weapon is OP" huh? I'm now waiting for someone to seriously make a case for Nova Knives being OP.

450% bonus to the SR? thats probably the worst idea ever. how about no? leave SR at 200% and lower scrambler pistol to 150. bad mechanics shouldnt stay because people like them. thats stupid as heck. scrambler pistol higher headshot bonus than railgun turret? no way. cant wait 4 the scrambler rifle

no smart guy they should be lowered because the headshot mod is excessive. any idiot can see that. sniper rifle headshot mod 200% railgun turret headshot mod 195% scrambler pistol headshot mod 450%???? please explain that. does it shoot black holes or something???

no smart guy they should be lowered because the headshot mod is excessive. any idiot can see that. sniper rifle headshot mod 200% railgun turret headshot mod 195% scrambler pistol headshot mod 450%???? please explain that. does it shoot black holes or something???

It's NOT a bad mechanic though.

It makes the Pistol a viable weapon in skilled hands, instead of a waste of space on a fitting.

youre right its horrible.

it badly inconsistent and the normal pistol damage makes it effective. the damage per round is really high. 450% just makes it exploitable in skilled hands.

in skilled hands.

With the low ammo count, you have to skill into it significantly for the base damage to actually be as much of a benefit as you're claiming. Even then, the limited range and rate of fire negate the claim that it's already powerful enough.

It's only inconsistent if you suck at headshots, in which case, that's not the game's fault. And if you suck at headshots but still manage a few, you'll notice it's those headshots that make the weapon competent, not the base damage which requires 4 shots to even be almost at the level of damage you got from a single headshot.

limited range? fact: the scrambler pistol shoots further than the SMG of the same tier.

There is no way an advanced heavy should fall to a weapon of that caliber right? It happened and I couldnt believe it!

lol, as a heavy, i love using that thing as a side arm

My emergency," i've run out of all other fits" fit is a dragonfly scout, with 2 militia scramble pistols, its fun just emptying 2 clips at 1 people when they expect me to have to reload.

limited range? fact: the scrambler pistol shoots further than the SMG of the same tier.

Headshots are the only reason the Scrambler is a viable Sidearm option against the SMG.

Incidentally, my inability to reliably land headshots is the exact reason I use SMGs 90% of the time.

I don't need a reason beyond "I like SMGs better". Although if I did, that would also be a good reason. It's part of why I use Shotguns.

So you're saying that, because it has longer range than the SECOND-SHORTEST RANGE WEAPON IN THE GAME AFTER A SHOTGUN, it's not a weapon with limited range?

This is getting too easy. Please come up with a competent argument next time.

Also, without counting headshots, the SMG has higher DPS without accounting for reloads, and a higher damage per reload even when you're assuming max clip size.

Headshots are the only reason the Scrambler is a viable Sidearm option against the SMG.

easy? you sure? basic math tells me the pistol does 466 Damage Per Second without headshots. The SMG does 366. Tell me more about this fantasy world where the pistol needs a 450% headshot modifier.

we get it. you like getting bonus damage. sadly its not consistent at all. I remember guys like you crying about the swarm launcher nerf too. 'it should be able to hit personnel' they said. smh.

I have yet to clear 40 with any weapon other than a sniper rifle. That is one skilled pistol user, quit your QQ and respect his skillz.

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Edit: just so we're clear, this is aimed at the OP, not you Kagehoshi.

easy? you sure? basic math tells me the pistol does 466 Damage Per Second without headshots. The SMG does 366. Tell me more about this fantasy world where the pistol needs a 450% headshot modifier.

we get it. you like getting bonus damage. sadly its not consistent at all. I remember guys like you crying about the swarm launcher nerf too. 'it should be able to hit personnel' they said. smh.

Standard SMG: 21 dmg x 1000 RPM = 21,000 dpm / 60 = 350dps
Standard Scrambler Pistol: 72 dmg x 400 RPM = 28800 dpm / 60 = 480

So my prediction based on almost every Pistol user running out of ammo and needing to reload while I kill them with my SMG was incorrect.

More importantly, you seem to have missed the fact that the "too easy" comment was following an important point you neglected to address. Scramblers may have more range than 2 weapons in the game, but that hardly negates the "limited range" point I had been making.

Maximum clip size on any Pistol: 11 (17 if you count the burst variant with only 43.2 damage per shot)
Minimum clip size on any SMG: 64

So 11 x 72 = 792
And 64 x 21 = 1344
Or 80 x 21 = 1680

A Militia SMG deals almost twice as much damage per reload as a Standard Scrambler Pistol before counting headshots. Comparing Standard with Standard, the SMG easily tops the double damage per reload mark.

And in CQC, where the SMG is at its best, which gun is more likely to actually hit the target? (pro-tip: it isn't the Pistol)

Different weapons for different situations. And for the record, I don't use the Pistol. I find it not to be overpowered because even in skilled hands, it loses too much effectiveness in CQC, and I can effectively counter it when running a Shotgun or SMG. Also, I use Swarm Launchers, and I was totally supportive of the removal of dumbfire on Swarms, so don't try pinning that on me. When there's a LEGITIMATE complaint about a weapon, I'll listen. This isn't one of those times.

so basically ur arguing a point and didnt even do the math? way to look like an idiot. we need more silence from you from now on. argument invalid!!! lol

and pro tip: dont rationalize after getting exposed for being way out in left field. "more likely to hit the target" isnt an argument. what is this high school? if u cant shoot thats ur fault. you dont get a modifier because your aim sux.

Heavies are like stand up comedians man. You guys think nothing short of Superman should be able to kill you. That's just the ones with no skill lol! The one's that actually have skill think the gods themselves shouldn't be enough to kill them. CCP this is how you fix this problem. Stop eating around the bush and just make them all Immortal and have them restricted to a game mode that only Heavies can play in and just have them fight themselves all day, problem solved! YOU ARE WELCOME!

I was the one who went 41-5 .... so respect myself?

Heavies are probably the easiest to take down with a pistol. Headshots baby, headshots.

So your complaint is that you aren't skilled at using them? Great neither am I, join the club, now why do you want to nerf it?

I'd argue that if someone has practiced to the point of being able to consistently land headshots with a scrambler pistol then they deserve to do insane damage.

We should nerf forge guns, they do insane damage if they hit too, and they don't even need headshots

the headshot bonus for using sniper rifles [including the Thales railgun officer sniper rifle] is 200%. The scrambler pistol is 450%. thats embarassing, no weapon should exceed a sniper rifle in headshot bonus and overall anything exceeding 300% is just overkill. this as been one of the more broken mechanics in the game for some time and its needs fixing. its another reason games must always be tuned with the skilled user in mind, because the skilled shooter breaks the game when given a 450% damage modifier to play with.

No his complaint is that the 450% percent damage bonus makes no sense. Think about , that means you deal 2250 damage with a headshot. What kind of dropsuit is going to have that kind of hp????

Pistols are dealing to much non-headshot damage. His point is the weapon should be only be good if you have skill. Because it's a side arm that takes 2 powergrid. And dealing over 2000 damage makes no sense design wise.

I suggest the Different pistols have different headshot modifiers. Hear me out.

Breach pistol would be high damage, 300 a round, but with only 150% multiplier. While the smaller quick pistol gets low 150 damage but that's 450% which is 675 damage a shot. That's still an amazing weapon in a skilled players hand.

The breach pistol should be for people would want shorter range don't think about head shot weapon. But at the cost of rate of fire.

The skilled Pistol users AVOID getting into CQC because EVEN THEY CAN'T HIT CONSISTENTLY AT THAT RANGE.

Skilled SMG users deliberately aim for CQC because SMGs are one of the best options at that range.

It's not about my aim (or the best Pistol users in the game sucking), it's about how the weapon works and what it's good at doing.

Also, no, I didn't do the math, I worked from experience both with and against the weapon, and the primary point I was making (which is the ACTUAL damage output, not the "assuming you have infinite devhax ammo in your clip") is still correct. My core argument isn't invalidated by the fact that there was a small flaw in part of the working that I hadn't 100% confirmed.

if you use a breach its almost 500. and then you add the two complex sidearm mods, weaponry... if I get a headshot, you're kissin' pavement.

actually, it comes to 612 and change with those, if I remember correctly. though my base(115) might be off, as I don't entirely like the breach. too slow, have to get a headshot, and in the heat of the moment, it gets a bit difficult.

Which, unfortunately, demonstrates that dust is too much like eve. In my humble opinion, fps games should be about player skill, not who can spend more time fapping off to a spreadsheet or some kind of "dust fitting tool"

Sorry but you just described every single shooter out there. W e could all have equal everything,and all our SP would be pointless, but where's the fun in that?

all the weapons are under-powered and they should be buffed not nerfed.

Heavies are like stand up comedians man. You guys think nothing short of Superman should be able to kill you. That's just the ones with no skill lol! The one's that actually have skill think the gods themselves shouldn't be enough to kill them. CCP this is how you fix this problem. Stop eating around the bush and just make them all Immortal and have them restricted to a game mode that only Heavies can play in and just have them fight themselves all day, problem solved! YOU ARE WELCOME!

I know I am coming into the "talk" late, but this is what I think: the scrambler pistol seems to be OP especially where it can do immense amount of damage to Heavy. But you know what, I can make the same claim for the assault rifle (which no one really talks about because its the most commonly used weapon) which is extremely OP. When you look at the damage per bullet and RPM for the duvolle its beyond powerful. In fact, I've watched videos (and I've been on the relieving end) the Balac tear through people as if they weren't wearing armor.

Now that I have gotten that out of my system, here is what I really believe: all the weapons are under-powered and they should be buffed not nerfed. And if CCP can't do that leave the weapons as they are (but buff the heavy, improve the dropship and work on the missile turrets so they actually work correctly). Instead of complaining that the weapons are OP, or crying because you died 10 times to someone using a proto suit, learn to fight back. Use tactics, or change your playstyle, or evolve based on the battle. And even if your team gets slaughtered, accept the loss, examine why your team was crushed and figure out how you will improve your game-play. As some of the other comments have stated HTFU.

That's all I have to say,

Osiris.

Heavies are fine how they are. I'm hard enough to kill in my heavy type-1 as is.

Wow! Props to you sir! Most Heavies cry so hard that they are squishy. I tell them play Scout than I'll sympathize.

50% of the time I am a heavy with nothing but two scrambler pistols.