no smart guy they should be lowered because the headshot mod is excessive. any idiot can see that. sniper rifle headshot mod 200% railgun turret headshot mod 195% scrambler pistol headshot mod 450%???? please explain that. does it shoot black holes or something???

no smart guy they should be lowered because the headshot mod is excessive. any idiot can see that. sniper rifle headshot mod 200% railgun turret headshot mod 195% scrambler pistol headshot mod 450%???? please explain that. does it shoot black holes or something???

It's NOT a bad mechanic though.

It makes the Pistol a viable weapon in skilled hands, instead of a waste of space on a fitting.

youre right its horrible.

it badly inconsistent and the normal pistol damage makes it effective. the damage per round is really high. 450% just makes it exploitable in skilled hands.

in skilled hands.

With the low ammo count, you have to skill into it significantly for the base damage to actually be as much of a benefit as you're claiming. Even then, the limited range and rate of fire negate the claim that it's already powerful enough.

It's only inconsistent if you suck at headshots, in which case, that's not the game's fault. And if you suck at headshots but still manage a few, you'll notice it's those headshots that make the weapon competent, not the base damage which requires 4 shots to even be almost at the level of damage you got from a single headshot.

limited range? fact: the scrambler pistol shoots further than the SMG of the same tier.

There is no way an advanced heavy should fall to a weapon of that caliber right? It happened and I couldnt believe it!

lol, as a heavy, i love using that thing as a side arm

My emergency," i've run out of all other fits" fit is a dragonfly scout, with 2 militia scramble pistols, its fun just emptying 2 clips at 1 people when they expect me to have to reload.

limited range? fact: the scrambler pistol shoots further than the SMG of the same tier.

Headshots are the only reason the Scrambler is a viable Sidearm option against the SMG.

Incidentally, my inability to reliably land headshots is the exact reason I use SMGs 90% of the time.

I don't need a reason beyond "I like SMGs better". Although if I did, that would also be a good reason. It's part of why I use Shotguns.

So you're saying that, because it has longer range than the SECOND-SHORTEST RANGE WEAPON IN THE GAME AFTER A SHOTGUN, it's not a weapon with limited range?

This is getting too easy. Please come up with a competent argument next time.

Also, without counting headshots, the SMG has higher DPS without accounting for reloads, and a higher damage per reload even when you're assuming max clip size.

Headshots are the only reason the Scrambler is a viable Sidearm option against the SMG.

easy? you sure? basic math tells me the pistol does 466 Damage Per Second without headshots. The SMG does 366. Tell me more about this fantasy world where the pistol needs a 450% headshot modifier.

we get it. you like getting bonus damage. sadly its not consistent at all. I remember guys like you crying about the swarm launcher nerf too. 'it should be able to hit personnel' they said. smh.

I have yet to clear 40 with any weapon other than a sniper rifle. That is one skilled pistol user, quit your QQ and respect his skillz.

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Edit: just so we're clear, this is aimed at the OP, not you Kagehoshi.

easy? you sure? basic math tells me the pistol does 466 Damage Per Second without headshots. The SMG does 366. Tell me more about this fantasy world where the pistol needs a 450% headshot modifier.

we get it. you like getting bonus damage. sadly its not consistent at all. I remember guys like you crying about the swarm launcher nerf too. 'it should be able to hit personnel' they said. smh.

Standard SMG: 21 dmg x 1000 RPM = 21,000 dpm / 60 = 350dps
Standard Scrambler Pistol: 72 dmg x 400 RPM = 28800 dpm / 60 = 480

So my prediction based on almost every Pistol user running out of ammo and needing to reload while I kill them with my SMG was incorrect.

More importantly, you seem to have missed the fact that the "too easy" comment was following an important point you neglected to address. Scramblers may have more range than 2 weapons in the game, but that hardly negates the "limited range" point I had been making.

Maximum clip size on any Pistol: 11 (17 if you count the burst variant with only 43.2 damage per shot)
Minimum clip size on any SMG: 64

So 11 x 72 = 792
And 64 x 21 = 1344
Or 80 x 21 = 1680

A Militia SMG deals almost twice as much damage per reload as a Standard Scrambler Pistol before counting headshots. Comparing Standard with Standard, the SMG easily tops the double damage per reload mark.

And in CQC, where the SMG is at its best, which gun is more likely to actually hit the target? (pro-tip: it isn't the Pistol)

Different weapons for different situations. And for the record, I don't use the Pistol. I find it not to be overpowered because even in skilled hands, it loses too much effectiveness in CQC, and I can effectively counter it when running a Shotgun or SMG. Also, I use Swarm Launchers, and I was totally supportive of the removal of dumbfire on Swarms, so don't try pinning that on me. When there's a LEGITIMATE complaint about a weapon, I'll listen. This isn't one of those times.

so basically ur arguing a point and didnt even do the math? way to look like an idiot. we need more silence from you from now on. argument invalid!!! lol

and pro tip: dont rationalize after getting exposed for being way out in left field. "more likely to hit the target" isnt an argument. what is this high school? if u cant shoot thats ur fault. you dont get a modifier because your aim sux.

Heavies are like stand up comedians man. You guys think nothing short of Superman should be able to kill you. That's just the ones with no skill lol! The one's that actually have skill think the gods themselves shouldn't be enough to kill them. CCP this is how you fix this problem. Stop eating around the bush and just make them all Immortal and have them restricted to a game mode that only Heavies can play in and just have them fight themselves all day, problem solved! YOU ARE WELCOME!

I was the one who went 41-5 .... so respect myself?

Heavies are probably the easiest to take down with a pistol. Headshots baby, headshots.

So your complaint is that you aren't skilled at using them? Great neither am I, join the club, now why do you want to nerf it?

I'd argue that if someone has practiced to the point of being able to consistently land headshots with a scrambler pistol then they deserve to do insane damage.

We should nerf forge guns, they do insane damage if they hit too, and they don't even need headshots

the headshot bonus for using sniper rifles [including the Thales railgun officer sniper rifle] is 200%. The scrambler pistol is 450%. thats embarassing, no weapon should exceed a sniper rifle in headshot bonus and overall anything exceeding 300% is just overkill. this as been one of the more broken mechanics in the game for some time and its needs fixing. its another reason games must always be tuned with the skilled user in mind, because the skilled shooter breaks the game when given a 450% damage modifier to play with.

No his complaint is that the 450% percent damage bonus makes no sense. Think about , that means you deal 2250 damage with a headshot. What kind of dropsuit is going to have that kind of hp????

Pistols are dealing to much non-headshot damage. His point is the weapon should be only be good if you have skill. Because it's a side arm that takes 2 powergrid. And dealing over 2000 damage makes no sense design wise.

I suggest the Different pistols have different headshot modifiers. Hear me out.

Breach pistol would be high damage, 300 a round, but with only 150% multiplier. While the smaller quick pistol gets low 150 damage but that's 450% which is 675 damage a shot. That's still an amazing weapon in a skilled players hand.

The breach pistol should be for people would want shorter range don't think about head shot weapon. But at the cost of rate of fire.