DUST Search - 41-5 with a militia scrambler pistol = disgusting

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

Reiki Jubo wrote:

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

Reiki Jubo wrote:

limited range? fact: the scrambler pistol shoots further than the SMG of the same tier.

So you're saying that, because it has longer range than the SECOND-SHORTEST RANGE WEAPON IN THE GAME AFTER A SHOTGUN, it's not a weapon with limited range? Roll

This is getting too easy. Please come up with a competent argument next time.

Also, without counting headshots, the SMG has higher DPS without accounting for reloads, and a higher damage per reload even when you're assuming max clip size.

Headshots are the only reason the Scrambler is a viable Sidearm option against the SMG.

easy? you sure? basic math tells me the pistol does 466 Damage Per Second without headshots. The SMG does 366. Tell me more about this fantasy world where the pistol needs a 450% headshot modifier.

we get it. you like getting bonus damage. sadly its not consistent at all. I remember guys like you crying about the swarm launcher nerf too. 'it should be able to hit personnel' they said. smh.

Standard SMG: 21 dmg x 1000 RPM = 21,000 dpm / 60 = 350dps
Standard Scrambler Pistol: 72 dmg x 400 RPM = 28800 dpm / 60 = 480

So my prediction based on almost every Pistol user running out of ammo and needing to reload while I kill them with my SMG was incorrect.

More importantly, you seem to have missed the fact that the "too easy" comment was following an important point you neglected to address. Scramblers may have more range than 2 weapons in the game, but that hardly negates the "limited range" point I had been making.

Maximum clip size on any Pistol: 11 (17 if you count the burst variant with only 43.2 damage per shot)
Minimum clip size on any SMG: 64

So 11 x 72 = 792
And 64 x 21 = 1344
Or 80 x 21 = 1680

A Militia SMG deals almost twice as much damage per reload as a Standard Scrambler Pistol before counting headshots. Comparing Standard with Standard, the SMG easily tops the double damage per reload mark.

And in CQC, where the SMG is at its best, which gun is more likely to actually hit the target? (pro-tip: it isn't the Pistol)

Different weapons for different situations. And for the record, I don't use the Pistol. I find it not to be overpowered because even in skilled hands, it loses too much effectiveness in CQC, and I can effectively counter it when running a Shotgun or SMG. Also, I use Swarm Launchers, and I was totally supportive of the removal of dumbfire on Swarms, so don't try pinning that on me. When there's a LEGITIMATE complaint about a weapon, I'll listen. This isn't one of those times.


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Tolen Rosas Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 67	Posted - 2013.03.29 17:51:00 - [1] - Quote Greasepalms wrote: Dusters Blog wrote: the headshot bonus for using sniper rifles [including the Thales railgun officer sniper rifle] is 200%. The scrambler pistol is 450%. thats embarassing, no weapon should exceed a sniper rifle in headshot bonus and overall anything exceeding 300% is just overkill. this as been one of the more broken mechanics in the game for some time and its needs fixing. its another reason games must always be tuned with the skilled user in mind, because the skilled shooter breaks the game when given a 450% damage modifier to play with. Getting a higher bonus for sitting in a mountain rather than being on the heat of the battle with 6 rounds per mag and trashy irons? Get outta here. ur missing the point, bro. he's right no weapon should have a bigger headshot bonus than a railgun sniper rifle and 450% if thats true is redonkulous. it begs to be exploited.
Tolen Rosas Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 68	Posted - 2013.03.29 22:15:00 - [2] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Prius Vecht wrote: 450% bonus to the SR? thats probably the worst idea ever. how about no? leave SR at 200% and lower scrambler pistol to 150. bad mechanics shouldnt stay because people like them. thats stupid as heck. scrambler pistol higher headshot bonus than railgun turret? no way. cant wait 4 the scrambler rifle It's NOT a bad mechanic though. It makes the Pistol a viable weapon in skilled hands, instead of a waste of space on a fitting. youre right its horrible. it badly inconsistent and the normal pistol damage makes it effective. the damage per round is really high. 450% just makes it exploitable in skilled hands.
Tolen Rosas Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 68	Posted - 2013.03.30 10:43:00 - [3] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Reiki Jubo wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Reiki Jubo wrote: limited range? fact: the scrambler pistol shoots further than the SMG of the same tier. So you're saying that, because it has longer range than the SECOND-SHORTEST RANGE WEAPON IN THE GAME AFTER A SHOTGUN, it's not a weapon with limited range? This is getting too easy. Please come up with a competent argument next time. Also, without counting headshots, the SMG has higher DPS without accounting for reloads, and a higher damage per reload even when you're assuming max clip size. Headshots are the only reason the Scrambler is a viable Sidearm option against the SMG. easy? you sure? basic math tells me the pistol does 466 Damage Per Second without headshots. The SMG does 366. Tell me more about this fantasy world where the pistol needs a 450% headshot modifier. we get it. you like getting bonus damage. sadly its not consistent at all. I remember guys like you crying about the swarm launcher nerf too. 'it should be able to hit personnel' they said. smh. Standard SMG: 21 dmg x 1000 RPM = 21,000 dpm / 60 = 350dps Standard Scrambler Pistol: 72 dmg x 400 RPM = 28800 dpm / 60 = 480 So my prediction based on almost every Pistol user running out of ammo and needing to reload while I kill them with my SMG was incorrect. More importantly, you seem to have missed the fact that the "too easy" comment was following an important point you neglected to address. Scramblers may have more range than 2 weapons in the game, but that hardly negates the "limited range" point I had been making. Maximum clip size on any Pistol: 11 (17 if you count the burst variant with only 43.2 damage per shot) Minimum clip size on any SMG: 64 So 11 x 72 = 792 And 64 x 21 = 1344 Or 80 x 21 = 1680 A Militia SMG deals almost twice as much damage per reload as a Standard Scrambler Pistol before counting headshots. Comparing Standard with Standard, the SMG easily tops the double damage per reload mark. And in CQC, where the SMG is at its best, which gun is more likely to actually hit the target? (pro-tip: it isn't the Pistol) Different weapons for different situations. And for the record, I don't use the Pistol. I find it not to be overpowered because even in skilled hands, it loses too much effectiveness in CQC, and I can effectively counter it when running a Shotgun or SMG. Also, I use Swarm Launchers, and I was totally supportive of the removal of dumbfire on Swarms, so don't try pinning that on me. When there's a LEGITIMATE complaint about a weapon, I'll listen. This isn't one of those times. so basically ur arguing a point and didnt even do the math? way to look like an idiot. we need more silence from you from now on. argument invalid!!! lol and pro tip: dont rationalize after getting exposed for being way out in left field. "more likely to hit the target" isnt an argument. what is this high school? if u cant shoot thats ur fault. you dont get a modifier because your aim sux.