I guess i haven't checked, but can you make alliances in DUST?

Or is everyone expected to join this corp, and thus everyone has to apply to the FSC, and everyone will be tagged under FSC eventually?

Honestly I think it's a really good idea, good thinkin!

Hey, I won't be in game this weekend due to the Easter holiday and family but to answer an earlier question, no you don't join our corp, your corp becomes an alliance with our corps (verbally) agreeing to help us defend our planet and we'll do the same for your corp and if you want to take another district, we'll help you fight the battle.

If you don't have a corp, you're more than welcome to join any of the corps in the alliance.

The more corps our alliance gets the bigger the planet we can secure on opening day of PC, so far we have 3 corps allianced which will not give us enough to own a planet, we need one more for that and we will be able to obtain a small planet with four districts(the smallest planets have 4), 1 district for each corp to control, however, if we get more to alliance we can take a bigger planet which will make it tougher for the bigger corps to take from us.

I'm tracking now. The alliance is based off a verbal agreement, since the mechanics of alliances hasn't been added. That's what had me thrown off, heh.

My corp would like to join if you'll have us? Only a few of us in it as of now, but I just started actively recruiting outside of our guild which is in various other games at the moment. So hopefully i'll be able to bring some more killers to FSC's cause ;)

For your situational awareness (fysa) there is another group of small corps called "Small Corps Coalition". THeir thread is here Small Corps Coalition

Maybe get them on the same sheet of music that we are? I don't see how it'd be beneficial for anyone who is in a small corp conglomerate to compete with another small corp conglomerate...? I just think that Instead of a bunch of small corps potentially double fisting, alliances maybe we just condense into one, and thus only have 1 website to help keep the potentially large amount of small corps all on the same page and a similar focus?

Just a thought.

Just an update! Everyone who applied for site are now members.

I'm think about having the small coalition merge in to our federation the more ther marrier

Right on. I accidentally deleted the email with the info for the chat channel.

could you post it here or in the FSC forum, or message it to me again?

thanks, and sorry for the inconvenience

Hehe I forgot to add I create a channel called federation

That may work... I just read thru the small corp coalition thread and it seems like their "CEO" has backed out of it because of the new PC coming out so they seem to be falling apart.

I'm not trolling your thread...I'm pointing out some things so they can be addressed pre-launch...

So...question....if you're going to ban together many small corps to own a small planet consisting of 3-5 districts and only one corporation can own any given district that means you are now faced with a wealth gap situation...

3-5 corps would be receiving a revenue stream from the the district ownership while the remaining corps wouldn't be receiving anything (and possibly expending in order to take more districts) since we know that corp taxes will not be implemented as part of this build...

ISK transfers between corps don't exist yet...so that's another concern...

Just seems like eventually you'll have a have vs have-not culture in the current proposed environment fairly quickly assuming that small corps will be able to hold onto districts in any case. Ultimately, there are economic and communication concerns that will make it difficult for a band of small corps to defend against large corps with their economy of scale. Keep in mind...a corp with 1000 members could tell their members they're going on a war of take everything and collect 1M isk from each member...now you've got a corp that very quickly and easily has a finincial pool of 1B isk to throw against anyone they want in range...you can be certain they'll consolidate their resources by takeing out small corps first...they can attack all your districts and take them via attrition within a week or less.

It's a good rallying point...just not sure how viable this would be... *shrugs*

Just a point of correction, the SCC far from 'fell apart'. SCC corps grew large enough to merge into the Gentlemen's Agreement alliance, Nomed continued the SCC to pick up NEW small corps to foster as well, due to his dedication to the community. If you wanted to think of it that way, the first group of Small Corps "graduated". ;) And many of them will be working together on Planetary Conquest.

Best of luck in your endeavors.

Gl guys u will need it.

BotC has around 25+ members, but only 5 of us play regularly and at different times of the day. Recruiting is slow going, and we've had an eye out for a way to keep our identity as a corp and to have enough people to play.

Can't speak for the whole corp, but I'm interested to see if we could get something to work. Be good to have some help once PC is applied in game.

I didn't actually look how big your corps are (there are different definitions for "small"), but I thought I'd share my thought on the "minimum" it takes to own a district. Money isn't a HUGE object, because good players should have individually more than enough to fund PC.

The challenge, is that the squad leaders defending your district have to be in that district's corp. This means, during the hour your district is at risk, you need to be confident your corp will have at LEAST three members on. Then they can fill their squads with people from whatever other corps are available.

One of my directors had brought this up to me. It sounds like a great idea but your going to want to get ahold of me in game to discuss this further. This corp is made from of members of the E-Syn Coalition not all have switched yet but they are slowly over time. This said,, joining in a Federation might be tricky. I all ready have a extensive list of blues and reds to deal with. I would love to make this a reality because it could serve as a vital life line for many planet side corps. Again please contact DarkLord420 in EVE or Dark Lord 420 in Dust to discuss this in grater detail.

wish u guys the best
good to see smaller corps banding together to form some sort of agreement to help each other out in PC

if ur ever lookin for some mercs to get some work done for u can hmu or someone in EoN.

Darkprometheus, edit the op again to add bot c to the corp list and mad mav to the CEO list, they were active with us last night.

I didn't literally mean "sign up" I meant like put my corp down on your list. Its just a saying my bad if you misunderstood.

Edit: and if i cant get any corp mates when it comes close to PC im willing join any one of your corps if you will have me.

Don't want to burst your bubble... but 80 mil ISK per corp is nothing lol. There are several members in our Corp (including myself) that have that much ISK in their personal accounts, let alone whatever is in the Corp wallet. If you plan on doing planetary conquest I suggest you either merge, or join an established corporation that has the ISK, the player skill, and the Eve backing to actually hold territory.

Consider joining Cygnus Tactical Operations, or any corp that's a part of Gentlemen's Agreement.

edit; Also I noticed there's another small corp group like this place, called Small Corp Coalition. -there you might have better luck keeping your corps in tact (if you desire to) and still getting in on some Planetary Conquest. Maybe you could talk to them and possibly join up since your causes seem to be the same?

But like I said, your best bet would be joining one of the above mentioned corps.. :/

Good luck!

Money is the only issue here, we have the backing to hold our districts, it's the startup fee for the corps that's the problem... That's cool that you have 80 mil isk alone but not everyone does.

Our corp has the isk for startup, I'm just worried about the other guys... 80 mil isk is allot to them, pub matches don't pay **** and you know that, most people only break even when they're first starting out.

You're 80 mil isk is nothing comment further proves how unsuccessful and big corp driven PC is going to be.

At the 80 mil isk entry, PC will be a joke and the whole galaxy will be owned by 5-10 different corps, sounds fun

stormtroopin, please avoid directly recruiting for your corp in another alliance's thread. The Gent's offer is out on the table for people to find. FSC corps may want to consider merging into a larger alliance in the future (either as players or whole corps), but it's not our place to directly push for them to do so in someone else's thread. And as the SCC leadership has requested they don't talk about FSC in their thread, it's probably courteous to do the same, and not talk about the SCC in here. ;)

Well that's kind of the point. True, not everyone has 80 mil at this point. But not everyone will be able to do planetary conquest either. If a small corp has their eyes set on holding down some territory, they better be able to be online pretty regularly, have the skills to defeat people that challenge them, and have the ISK to continually resupply clones AND their own gear.



This is kind of a whole separate issue, but I posted here to try to help you guys out; so I'll help you with this too. IMHO pub matches pay generously. Idk what you're using, but no matter how suckey of a player someone is, they should be able to turn a profit in one match. If you are using gear that you causes you to barely break even, or go negative.. that should be a sign that your gear is too expensive for your skill level. Granted a fatsuit or a vehicle pilot has more expensive gear, but they should die a lot less than lets say a standard assault player (like myself).


What makes you think it will be run by 5-10 different corps? It's not "big corps" that have that kind of dust cash. Like I said, 80 million is nothing compared to Dust corp wallets not to mention the billions in potential Eve money if a corp has backing from them.

Anyway, like I said, just saw an opportunity to help some people out. Take it or leave it, and good luck ^_^

Ok well... We may have just got screwed out of planetary conquest, I don't know who of you follows the dev blogs but they just raised the entry fee into conquest to 80 mil isk per corp from 20.

How many of the corps currently in the alliance can come up with 80 mil isk before may 6th?

If you can't come up with that kind of isk I suggest you go let your opinions be heard in the new PC dev blog because we may have done this whole alliance for naught now.

Wont be able to make 80 mil by then but if its still possible in game i would still be able to help defend thats if it is allowed even when not owning a district in PC.

Marching mercs are still in but unfortunately I don't think we can make the cash. Would another small corp like to split the money (40 mil/40 mil) for co-ownership of with us?

^ this is why it be good idea to start federation bank, make Corp for the soul purpose of being a bank corps can deposit and request money.

Sounds good to me, I'll run it past my guys and get back to you tomorrow

Thought just occurred to me: how would we prevent one rogue director from stealing millions of ISK from the other corps.

Sounds good to me, I'll run it past my guys and get back to you tomorrow

Thought just occurred to me: how would we prevent one rogue director from stealing millions of ISK from the other corps.

Hey. Was just scrolling through here since im kinda looking for a corp to join. (im strictly a logi bro. I may go 0-5 in a match but i seem to finish high on the scorecard because of links, repairs and regular logi bro stuff.)

Any way the quote above is exactly right. If you get the wrong guy in there... well your "bank" goes bankrupt So be careful.

- Brotherhood ofthe Commissioned -CEO- Dirk Trash

I'm not trolling you guys.... But I don't think any of u can field a full team of 16. So lets say u all take one district each. But to defend that one district a corp needs to borrow members from b and c corp. but then corp b is attacked? Just being realistic it's not possible for you guys to do pc. I would suggest u guys merge into like 3-4 corps and you may actually be able to keep turf as it stands if u guys stay this way.... Well all I can say is yum. I will eat u one by one.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=60839&find=unread
Merging your corps with this group would be very beneficial to you. Contact nomed deeps if your interested

Sorry to say SCC pretty much view us as enemies

I'm not worried about it, we've been catching allot of heat for doing this cause the big corps want the small corps to fail so they can poach the members.. Not gonna happen!

Ok so this is what, the third time the SCC has come in here trying to poach us?

Get out of our thread! We are fully aware of who you guys are... Go ahead and ask Nomed deeps if he wants any part of us

SCC has hit a lot of heat for the same reasons, in a certain regard, Nomed's had a lot of difficulty with the major corps because of it.



Believe it or not, the people who keep popping in here are mostly Gents. Not SCC. I'll talk to my peeps, Rugman91's post was not appropriate, he shouldn't be getting involved. I honestly think you guys would be cool to work with someday in the future, which is why I'd really love to not burn bridges now. I'll go raise a fuss. My sincerest apologies.

Sorry to be posting in your thread but I wanted to say no one in the SCC sees you as enemies or nemeses. I, and I alone, just did not like some things done between the SCC and the FSC. I spoke my concerns and considered what happened resolved.
See you guys on the battelfield.

Just stay out of our thread, we are fully aware of the pros and cons.

As leader of EoN. i hope to see both large and small grps find a place in PC tbh.
Hopefully u guys can find urs and find success

coming from organising a small clan to this game im fully in support of smaller grps being able to somewhat compete via proper man management and skill so hope u guys can pull it off.

when are u guys available to have a talk ingame via uvt?

Right now if you're on

not on dust atm
how about tomorrow? stop by our public channel SyN'ers Public
can find me in there or someone else in SyNergy and they can go summon me

Current Corps in the Federation

* Dark Force Katana -CEO- DarkPrometheus

* UNOBTANIUM INC -CEO- xLTShinySidesx (COL' Sanders)

* Elite Universal -CEO- Logic Md

GÇóKargatane Kill Team -CEO- Durn McSnipeFace

- Rogue Crusaders -CEO- Mazer Rayleigh

- Brotherhood ofthe Commissioned -CEO- Dirk Tash

- The Marching Mercs -CEO- ShwerShwerShwer

- Red-White and Blood -CEO- Chrome HD

Believe it or not, the people who keep popping in here are mostly Gents. Not SCC. I'll talk to my peeps, Rugman91's post was not appropriate, he shouldn't be getting involved. I honestly think you guys would be cool to work with someday in the future, which is why I'd really love to not burn bridges now. I'll go raise a fuss. My sincerest apologies.

Hey Dark Prometheus I think what you're doing is a great idea because you're absolutley right, if the small corporations don't band together we'll all get slaughtered by the mega-corporations. So I'd like to put in a request for my corp the Interplanetary Mercernaries Guild to join the Federation. We have 29 members and one of which is an EvE capsuleer. Hope my corp can join!

Thanx - Daruz

hmmmm a coalition of small corps does sounds nice, but whats to say the alliance will stay peacefully??? whats to stop another corp going rogue by either giving up districts on purpose or back stabbing other corps?

not saying that it will happen its a nice idea thats for sure, but for us small corps we'd like to know whats on the table before committing.

yeah the CEO's would have to decide whether to participate or not, i know a lot of people are looking at the positive side of this but i like to see the negative side as well. dont want to have our corp join just to lose everything.

like Durn said, backstabbing is a legitimate strategy in the EVE universe, and a backstabbing event can cause a lot of distrust within the coalition. mutual understanding... sure but how MUCH of an understanding. a fake corp with alt guys can easily join in, lose districts on purpose of even attack districts occupied by weaker corps. so what if they lose? its a fake corp with alt players. things like that can definitely cause a rift in the coalition and cause us to lose it all at once.

im pretty sure our CEO's is thinking the same problem as i am, so the main question is what can this coalition guarantee for us smaller corps that problems like this wont happen? there is so many unknowns in this that makes it difficult to commit.

xLTShinySidesx: I'd like to be able to talk to you outside of a public forum, and I assume neither you are are always in-game. Do you have any sort of email you'd be comfortable posting?

Oops I mean pm .
To all the corps want ing to be in the first, don't worry I haven't ignore you guys my comp has been down and update via my phone is a pain in the ass. I'll update when I get home 2night just hang tight.

Texted in a dedicated council channel password protected

Just a small question for you guys, when your corporations grows and becomes successful will you guys stick in the FSC or move on?

My corp is currently looking for alliances i want to ask if anyone is interested we have 70 members

You're welcome to join our coalition, if that's what you're talking about?

ok how do i jion

Join chat channel FSC in game and you're in

CEO meeting this sat at 830 in game

830 pm

Please name your corp and CEO name in the thread to become part of the FSC

which one do i join

Yes, hi. My corp, Slayboy Bunnies would like to be part of FSC.

So... out of curiosity, does the FSC itself plan to not care if it's members are part of another alliance?

Good to know we have eve side support

Yep, good group of guys as well, they are willing to accept everybody from the FSC into their alliance (I spoke with their CEO) so if you have an eve player go ahead and request an alliance.

If you don't have an eve player, you can create a 14 day free trial character, upgrade his CEO skills (takes like 15 mins) then make him the CEO of your corp and apply for the alliance, I did this on Saturday and it was super easy.

General tso's alliance has allot to offer us once the game opens up more so any of the corps in the fed I suggest you take advantage of the alliance.

I'll be getting a laptop that can run eve in a few months so I'll just wait till then but tell them I appreciate what they're doing for us and once I'm on eve I'll be glad to join.

Yeah it'll be tricky. If you're still looking for a corp you can apply for mine (search BHSMM). Any ideas on how to prevent thieves?

EDIT: before I forget, could we get an updated list of corps in the federation and their CEOs?

Thanks. Ill check that out. Anyway about thieves im no expert but it would make sense to me to only have one person with access. Its almost guaranteed that a rogue corp ceo would join so that they could empty out the alliance wallet. Im sure eventually ccp will put in a way to assign permissions and things like that or maybe they already do. Some eve crossover players would rob ya just for the tears But ultimately you gotta put trust in someone.

The alliance bank will be taken care of properly, I don't foresee us having any issues with it... There won't be any money in it on a regular basis anyways since we will be equal revenue sharing.

The only time money would go in the account would be so it can be distributed amongst the federations corporations.

Edit: wanted to add, it will be limited access as well, the CEO of the bank will keep the money in their personal account and only put the money in the corp bank when another corp CEO is on and ready for payment... Basically there will only be one person with access, no directors at all in the federation bank, just one CEO to handle distribution.

ok have sau host it, ill be typing tho (keyboard) since i dont have a headset.
Once again everyone join our website

and whos Amira Amjad you applied twice at website what corp do u belong to?

ok have sau host it, ill be typing tho (keyboard) since i dont have a headset.
Once again everyone join our website

and whos Amira Amjad you applied twice at website what corp do u belong to?

what me to change your password Amira Amjad
btw woot we we 13 corps in our federation and i believe we the largest alliance in dust.
New goal become goon squad of dust lol

I think I have it figured out. Just forgot which toon I named the account after. But yeah, I'm excited about this coalition.

If I recall, there'll be a merger of the 'alliance' into one corp. Will it be called FSC or is there another name in the works?

np Amira Amjad (its your name on the forum) i deleted your new app
shiny can you tsoa to add me to the alliance? our do i need an active account? I do have an account its not active tho

You have to apply with an eve character, get ahold of burseg sardauker in game, he may be able to help.

So should apply again under an EVE toon? Just don't want to spam you guys with apps.

dang it and my pc happens to be down :/

Alright, so Dirk has made me the CEO. Just a heads up.

Have also been away for a bit. Been busy

here tso statistics http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/General_Tso's_Alliance/corporations

who here is active in eve?

SMERG - active EVE corp since 2007.

You can actually use dotlan and evewho to see if any corps have EVE characters.

If you search for a corporation that is a Dust-only corp, they won't show up on either Dotlan or evewho.

Alternatively, if you search a corp on evewho and on dotlan, you can subtract evewho from dotlan to get the total number of dust members in that corp (or alliance).

is there away for me general tso alliance for dust? sardauker

btw is FSC thee largest dust only alliance?

For those who can't attend the meeting send a representative ,just mail me there name.

I will have my director, Rectanus there for the meeting.

Dust Character: Rectanus
EVE Character: Lord Rectanus

SMERG - active EVE corp since 2007.

You can actually use dotlan and evewho to see if any corps have EVE characters.

If you search for a corporation that is a Dust-only corp, they won't show up on either Dotlan or evewho.

Alternatively, if you search a corp on evewho and on dotlan, you can subtract evewho from dotlan to get the total number of dust members in that corp (or alliance).

I see he likes being raped ;)

Do you think you could talk to rectanus about hosting a channel on the eve side so those of us with mics can chat?

If he can, just have him set up a channel and send invites in the FSC channel. I'll tell everyone before the meeting that's in the channel to type 1 if they want an invite to the meeting.

Will do. He's a busy dude these days but has Saturday night off.
He's been in Tso's since its founding, and he's my only director (just so happens he's my brother as well, lol), and tends to be on when I'm not with his crazy work schedule.

yes thanks smerg , its cool our channel usually has alot of people in it

I hope one day that you all take Xenu as your lord and then I can join the Federation.

But srsly, I wish I had peeps in my corp so that I could join this alliance. PC and Uprising hopefully will bring great gameplay, new skills, some cool alliances and crazy corp espionage. I look forward to being large enough to join.

So is that a no on helping me get information on what this federation is all about?

So is that a no on helping me get information on what this federation is all about?

Smerg can you send an app to Corp so join the alliance I'll be on @8pm pst

What's this?

Just letting you know Intara Direct Action is a NPC corp also good luck, like what your doing

Go ahead and do the marching mercs when you get a chance please

Will do, as soon as I can.


I wrote a sort-of-lengthy blog about the whole PC system and meeting you guys. At the end there's is a bit of FAQ stuff I could think of off the top of my head. Hopefully Rectanus will be able to answer other questions you guys might have, but if you want to, feel free to post any on the blog or here, and I'll do my best to make sure all concerns are addressed.

I'm still going to push for Planetary Conquest up untill Uprising is out. Though I'm prepping the guys for FW.

Question: Who would we support in FW?

I'm still going to push for Planetary Conquest up untill Uprising is out. Though I'm prepping the guys for FW.

Question: Who would we support in FW?

hey shiny forward out that mail i sent you yesterday to the other CEO's .

Channel is FSC court. the rest of the info will be on our site in the council area.

U didn't miss anything

0RCS may be interested in joining this endeavor. We can regularly field one squad, occasionally two. We're just a corp of real life friends (and friends of friends) that isn't actively recruiting.

We're not necessarily interested in owning a district ourselves, however, but could enjoy helping other small corps do so (for a price of course). After Uprising is in full swing our interests may change, but for now we're simply interested in working with other small corporations, want to be involved in PC, but don't necessarily want to have districts of our own.

Update the first page and site. Wow we grew quite a bit we now have 15 corps

I am keeping an eye on you guys. You are the underdogs right now. I am hoping to see you leave a mark in PC/FW once it opens up. Best of Luck!

May 6th shall be interesting for FSC. I have a new objective for FSC lets take over N.Korea

May 6th shall be interesting for FSC. I have a new objective for FSC lets take over N.Korea