Your an idiot for paying real money for an unfinished product.

Your an idiot for paying real money for an unfinished product.

yup I bought the merc pack because I wanted to support dust and get a friend into the beta.

But why would anyone be buying the MT items when they are bound to change any time?

You know the milita BPOs? They used to cost 400-1000AUR Now they cost 4000-12,000AUR

whole AUR items have been removed from the game and as far as we know the whole type-2 suit thing might go out the window when we have racial suits introduced.

How CCP expects to not have a final AUR reset is beyound me.

And I have 5 copies of each milita BPO I bought them for 400AUR each and I'm going to sell them to other players at half market price in AUR. Make a ton of real money.

Um, sorry CCP, but please wipe the AUR and reset it, People shouldn't be losing AUR when thier purchases *save the boosters* are for items that could be removed from the game or will be continually wildly repriced.

@ Laheon, the very first sentence of my post was that I like Dust. So I don't know why you think I don't like the game. I'm not angry, but I also realize that as long as people are handing cash to CCP, they actually have less impetus to provide concrete information. It is in their interest to not provide concrete information because if they were to announce that the next build is in June, there would be a lag in purchases.

@Horned Wolf:
You haven't spent any money, I have. So you don't have any expectations, thats fine, it is just a free game to you. Not so for me. You have obviously gotten your monies worth, I feel that I have not. If this comes across as a tantrum, please not that I am not angry, or even upset. I just realize that in order to compel a change in CCP's methods of dealing with the customer base they need to be affected in the only manner which counts.

Edit: I payed to get into the closed beta because I love the idea behind Dust and I wanted to show my support for CCP. If you haven't spent anything, this isn't a thread for you.

@ Laheon, the very first sentence of my post was that I like Dust. So I don't know why you think I don't like the game. I'm not angry, but I also realize that as long as people are handing cash to CCP, they actually have less impetus to provide concrete information. It is in their interest to not provide concrete information because if they were to announce that the next build is in June, there would be a lag in purchases.

@Horned Wolf:
You haven't spent any money, I have. So you don't have any expectations, thats fine, it is just a free game to you. Not so for me. You have obviously gotten your monies worth, I feel that I have not. If this comes across as a tantrum, please not that I am not angry, or even upset. I just realize that in order to compel a change in CCP's methods of dealing with the customer base they need to be affected in the only manner which counts.

****'s coming, don't be so impatient. It's a month till fanfest, we're eithergoing to find out about the new build then or get it then.

Stopping the cash flow that CCP needs to make this game isn't a very good idea

Next build is in June. Unless you think that we are going to get a region of New Eden to have PC in without an update to Eve itself.

Next build is in June. Unless you think that we are going to get a region of New Eden to have PC in without an update to Eve itself.

Where is that date coming from?

General, CCP is, and has been, providing most of the funding for this project from proceeds from EVE. It's been in development for four years, but only in June did the merc pack go up.

It's very unlikely that any money lost from buying AUR would have an impact. After all, there are what, 2k people playing this game? As an upper estimate? Let's say 500 of those people have spent money on the game. Let's assume 50 USD each. That's 25k USD. Hardly enough to fund an entire development team.

Your idea is flawed in principle, both in aim and in the idea.

CCP is a private games company. Historically, most of the private games companies provide better quality games than public games companies. For example, CS versus COD. The fact is that private games companies prefer to put out a quality product, whereas public companies are harassed by their investors into providing profits and growth, hence games production is rushed, providing a lower quality good.

In short, don't rush CCP, unless you want an unfinished game. And yes, you're looking for set dates, but even Half Life 3 doesn't have a set date - it's been in development for years. Setbacks arise, and they then face a dilemma: push the deadline back, or released an unfinished product? Personally I prefer it this way. Keep it secret until it's ready.

How CCP expects to not have a final AUR reset is beyound me.

And I have 5 copies of each milita BPO I bought them for 400AUR each and I'm going to sell them to other players at half market price in AUR. Make a ton of real money.

Um, sorry CCP, but please wipe the AUR and reset it, People shouldn't be losing AUR when thier purchases *save the boosters* are for items that could be removed from the game or will be continually wildly repriced.

One could argue though that because this is a partially crowd funded game with the players providing a portion of the revenue, we are the investors (or at least part of the investment group). From that perspective, it makes more sense that people could see the current model of development and communication as an issue.

One could argue though that because this is a partially crowd funded game with the players providing a portion of the revenue, we are the investors (or at least part of the investment group). Going to open beta was in a way CCP looking for more investors/funding, and asking us to be that for them. From that perspective, it makes more sense that people could see the current model of development and communication as an issue.

I disagree. The funds coming from selling AUR are next to nothing compared to the costs of developing the game. It's a bonus for them, sure, and it lets players have access to items they may not usually be able to get, but it's hardly necessary for them at this point.

On the other hand. I agree that CCP could give us more information, but I can understand why they wouldn't.

CCP expects to turn a profit from the Aurum purchases. If they did not, they never would have started developing the game. It would be business suicide to develop a commodity without a market, or a method to get that capital from your customers.

You don't develop a project for a tiny base and then microtransact your profits. That only works on large scale ventures. So CCP needs a large base paying for Aurum items to make Dust a success.

I am all for being one of those people, but not while the status quo is maintained.

Next Eve update is June 4th. Considering that PC is going to take place in a region where there are currently no districts, it is only logical that in order to have our PC zone, the update to Eve will give us that space.

So, June 4th, not before.

I did vote with my wallet and it was a yes vote think I have spent about 100$ so far and won't hesitate to spend more once my Aurum get's low

I did vote with my wallet and it was a yes vote think I have spent about 100$ so far and won't hesitate to spend more once my Aurum get's low

I like Dust. I like so many things about it.

But there are too many things missing, and no info coming from the devs.

If you feel the same, I encourage you to do the following:

Stop giving them money.

Don't buy merc packs or aurum, don't buy starter packs.

More importantly, either sign in this thread that you will not pay for this type of treatment, or start a thread announcing that you are done giving money until we get some real progress.

CCP has been getting what is a free ride on this beta, because most of us are committed to Dust for the long haul, and are willing to overlook short term problems.

This in turn allows CCP far too much leeway. They need to be shown that the community that is ready to support this game will not be taken advantage of.

Let CCP know that when the game is worth money, you will be a paying supporter, but the current situation is unacceptable.

We want set dates for content releases. We want a proper roadmap for promised features. We want to know how CCP intends to get from what we have now to where they want a release version to be.

We will not get any change in CCPs treatment of the dust player base while people continue to hand over cash. It would be stupid of them to do so.

So lets smarten up and cut off their funding, see if that changes their tune. Only we can make that happen.

I like Dust. I like so many things about it.

But there are too many things missing, and no info coming from the devs.

If you feel the same, I encourage you to do the following:

Stop giving them money.

Don't buy merc packs or aurum, don't buy starter packs.

More importantly, either sign in this thread that you will not pay for this type of treatment, or start a thread announcing that you are done giving money until we get some real progress.

CCP has been getting what is a free ride on this beta, because most of us are committed to Dust for the long haul, and are willing to overlook short term problems.

This in turn allows CCP far too much leeway. They need to be shown that the community that is ready to support this game will not be taken advantage of.

Let CCP know that when the game is worth money, you will be a paying supporter, but the current situation is unacceptable.

We want set dates for content releases. We want a proper roadmap for promised features. We want to know how CCP intends to get from what we have now to where they want a release version to be.

We will not get any change in CCPs treatment of the dust player base while people continue to hand over cash. It would be stupid of them to do so.

So lets smarten up and cut off their funding, see if that changes their tune. Only we can make that happen.

Just what this, already falling apart, community needs... more self-entitled ('freeloaders') thinking CCP owns them anything...


Seriously... your 'Call to Arms', or should I say your 'Call to Empoverish" CCP is as childish as some of the responses in this thread.
You ask people to not give any money to CCP till they meet your 'demands', how old are you 10 ?


If you would have thought even the slightest bit about 'post', you would have already noticed that it is just plain dumb. Do you really thing that cutting off the income from Dust will change anything for CCP. Pretty sure that most of their stable income still comes, and will always come from EVE.

75% of the community probably never has and never will give any money to CCP in the first place. If you haven't done so by now, you won't do so in the future. (even do there are always exceptions... the majority simply won't).


Also to those that can't wrap their minds around the fact that some people pay for a game that is in Beta... either we (me included) simply have more faith in the game then others, or we simply aren't a bunch of whining - self entitled cheapskates that are glad to drop a few bucks every now and then to aide in the dev. of a game we like. I have payed 60 bucks for games that seriously sucked so why wouldn't I pay for something I think is pretty sweet.


At times I seriously wonder if the problem lies with me or with some of you... because we seriously see things in a totally different perspective.

/rant over

"either we (me included) simply have more faith in the game then others, or we simply aren't a bunch of whining - self entitled cheapskates "


or....


or....


or....

you got ripped off.


again, this denial... it's not a good look.

i admitted my mistakes supporting zipper. and i messed up supprting dice/ea. and ubisoft. and others
and learned well enough to never put down dime one on ANY of these games, no matter how much the brain dead under 30 fanbois swear this is the way to go unless the game works and is worth it. so yeah.

there's a third option you left out.

Peace
B

you got ripped off.


again, this denial... it's not a good look.

i admitted my mistakes supporting zipper. and i messed up supprting dice/ea. and ubisoft. and others
and learned well enough to never put down dime one on ANY of these games, no matter how much the brain dead under 30 fanbois swear this is the way to go unless the game works and is worth it. so yeah.

there's a third option you left out.

Peace
B

again...

your denial.

work on that during your next therapy session.

Peace
B

Seriously... your 'Call to Arms', or should I say your 'Call to Empoverish" CCP is as childish as some of the responses in this thread.
You ask people to not give any money to CCP till they meet your 'demands', how old are you 10 ?

If you would have thought even the slightest bit about 'post', you would have already noticed that it is just plain dumb. Do you really thing that cutting off the income from Dust will change anything for CCP. Pretty sure that most of their stable income still comes, and will always come from EVE.

75% of the community probably never has and never will give any money to CCP in the first place. If you haven't done so by now, you won't do so in the future. (even do there are always exceptions... the majority simply won't).

Also to those that can't wrap their minds around the fact that some people pay for a game that is in Beta... either we (me included) simply have more faith in the game then others, or we simply aren't a bunch of whining - self entitled cheapskates that are glad to drop a few bucks every now and then to aide in the dev. of a game we like. I have payed 60 bucks for games that seriously sucked so why wouldn't I pay for something I think is pretty sweet.

Great idea guys lets stop giving the company money so then they go bankrupt and can't make anything for the game

[GeneralButtNaked]

Not here to argue.. you give us your pov., and so did I.

And trust me 'bums' like me don't need people like you paying for them,
If there where more bums lke me ccp would have a shitload of money by now.

I like Dust. I like so many things about it.

But there are too many things missing, and no info coming from the devs.

If you feel the same, I encourage you to do the following:

Stop giving them money.

Don't buy merc packs or aurum, don't buy starter packs.

More importantly, either sign in this thread that you will not pay for this type of treatment, or start a thread announcing that you are done giving money until we get some real progress.

CCP has been getting what is a free ride on this beta, because most of us are committed to Dust for the long haul, and are willing to overlook short term problems.

This in turn allows CCP far too much leeway. They need to be shown that the community that is ready to support this game will not be taken advantage of.

Let CCP know that when the game is worth money, you will be a paying supporter, but the current situation is unacceptable.

We want set dates for content releases. We want a proper roadmap for promised features. We want to know how CCP intends to get from what we have now to where they want a release version to be.

We will not get any change in CCPs treatment of the dust player base while people continue to hand over cash. It would be stupid of them to do so.

So lets smarten up and cut off their funding, see if that changes their tune. Only we can make that happen.