so aur users get to keep using something that was removed for being too OP? that's pretty much the definition of pay to win.

Their are way to many items on the AUR marketplace with advantages over their ISK counterparts other than you can get them earlier.

All this really says it that it is unbalanced now, but sometime in the future CCP will get around to fixing it.

After they have gotten paid though. The reason why this game went OB without a market was so that CCP could grab that money.

I think we hashed this out before but here we go again. First, this part:

That doesn't make any sense to get mad about because you're essentially complaining because something is in a rough, unfinished form while it's being built. Also instead of saying "get around to fixing it" you should say "reaches that step in an ordered process of construction".

And then this:


Possibly, wouldn't rule it out. But it could also be that if they had removed the AUR items from the game it would completely change the way people leveled up. Plus they probably want to know what kind of demand for AUR items they can expect.

Yea, it does suck. It isn't fair to people that don't spend real money. But I knew that when I started playing the game. CCP isn't trying to screw anyone. It's just a crappy situation that was unavoidable. Unless of course you expect a company to just not accept money from its customers...

1.) Those of you who are equally p-o-ed by the Aurum items, I hope this can shed some light, I don't think I have really seen anyone bring it up. CCP needs a form of income to pay their bills and employees, ect. It's a free to play game, how else are they going to pay for everything that will keep this game going, it isn't going to come to us for free.



2.) All of the Aurum toys are equal to the next Tiered ISK Proto and as far as I know, there isn't any Tier 5 Aur items unless there was a Tier 6 isk item. This is the way they are attempting to balance the Aurum so that people with less time can compete with people with more time, think of it as SP vs Aur, granted you lose Aur with every loss but that is it as it stands.

General, I've noticed a little bit of agitation from you regarding CCP.

I would make a long post with some counter-arguments, but I've just had a big dinner, so I'm feeling quite lazy.

So I'll just say this. There are no "supremacy" goods on the market. Yes, they're better than that tier, but there are better weapons than THAT weapon out there. It's not like having a weapon which does 10% more damage than every other weapon of that type, or cost 20% less fitting, etc. The Duvolle has the same stats as the AUR proto AR.

Just curious how a to explain an on contact grenade that can only be bought with real money as anything other than pay to win.

Until I hear otherwise I'm going to assume those items are a simple oversight. The Light Damage mod was removed already so maybe they just overlooked those mods?

The list of items like this has been slowly dropping.

For a while, there were a good number of AUR weapons that were MUCH better than their ISK equivalents because they had teh lower PG/CPU requirements of the previous tier as well as the lower skill prerequisites. They took "all" of them out, but missed the 'Broadside' HMG and the 'Codewish' AR. These were later also removed. Hopefully, the same will happen with the remainder, but people need to keep that info visible so CCP actually notice it. These items ARE pay-to-win items, and will remain so as long as we're playing without a player market.

Stuff

Proximity mines. They need to come in.

http://wiki.dust514.info/index.php?title=Remote_Explosives
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Our current Prox mines are AV weapons, and don't detonate for Dropsuits.

I think he's asking for anti-infantry prox mines.

And here's where the bolded text is important...so ******* what? Yea, it is "P2W" until the market is up and running. So you can either come back then or stfu. You want CCP to change their schedule because your KDR is low since everyone else has boosters?

This isn't an issue. Once the market gets here it will all be fair. And until then it will be unfair. Deal with it. We are her to identify problems. We've identified the problem. CCP has an answer. They will fix it when they fix it.

Look, I think we have reached an issue where we are arguing about different things. I have no problem with P2W. On the contrary I think it is a great way for CCP to generate income. No need to remove it, or even change it.

You don't even need a secondary market, as i have no particular issue with a tiered playerbase beyond the fact that it limits broad appeal.

What I take issue with is people who do not recognize that here are P2W goods on the market. What I also take issue with is CCP marketing saying that the game will absolutely not be P2W, then offering those types of goods.

If CCP wants to make the game P2W, that is fine by me. If they want to make it balanced with cosmetic Aur items, or earlier access to them, that is just as good. That is their choice as the developer. However, please do not say that the game is level and then have supremacy goods.

Also, my bone of contention as far as the market, is more an issue of the way the players speak about the matter. You addressed that very bluntly with the fair/unfair comment, and I have no problem with that. If only the devs could be so plain.

the aurum nanohives that recover ammo and armor normally or the aurum shield regulators that have complex stats and advanced cpu/pg reqs.. proto suits i actually dont care about, the vk.1's are almost always better, and someone with the skills has the same advantage or more with proper fits/skills.
and yeah the fused locus grenades too.

stuffs pretty whack guys.

DUST isn't P2W as it's still open beta. Why is that relevant? There are plans to make everything available to buy with both isk and AUR. Well. It'll be a player-driven market, so that people can buy AUR items with AUR and sell them on to other players for isk.