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Altina McAlterson
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Posted - 2013.03.24 18:30:00 -
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Deluxe Edition wrote:Just curious how a to explain an on contact grenade that can only be bought with real money as anything other than pay to win.
It can also be bought with ISK when the market goes up. So that's why it isn't P2W. And they removed the ISK variant and I assume it will be returning at some time in the future. Also removed the Packed Locus Grenades. Think that's what they were called anyway. And that logic aside you only get 50 of them with the merc pack and you still lose them when you die so honestly it's only a slight advantage for a short time anyway.
Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Personally I find the Proto suits available at lvl 3 the bigger joke.
They don't really bother me, honestly. There's only 2 types of people running those: People that are too stupid to fit or use them correctly and players that are just screwing around and would have killed you no matter what they were using.
I screw around with them sometimes but I've only used those suits consistently in a single corp battle we had yesterday since I wanted to try out the officer AR's for the first time and figured might as well use the super awesome suits too. Sure, it gave me a noticeable edge (not that it did me any good. respect to those guys for coming correct...you know who you are. vgg) but it wasn't anything close to game breaking.
Personally I think more people should run them so I get lots and lots of ISK after the battle. Took on a team running the AUR proto heavy suits right around when they came out and walked away with almost 700k that match. |
Altina McAlterson
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Posted - 2013.03.24 19:24:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:We had thukker nades for isk, which the same,thing for a lv five made, but it was removed because of balance issues. so aur users get to keep using something that was removed for being too OP? that's pretty much the definition of pay to win.
They weren't broken. IIRC it was an issue with what skill level was required for them. Needing level V was just dumb. CCP just hasn't gotten around to putting them back at a different level.
And they're not really a problem because of how limited they are. Sure, someone might kill you with one when you could have escaped a standard grenade but the things are $0.40 a piece so I don't think we have to worry about them being spammed constantly. |
Altina McAlterson
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Posted - 2013.03.24 20:12:00 -
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I think we hashed this out before but here we go again. First, this part:
GeneralButtNaked wrote:
All this really says it that it is unbalanced now, but sometime in the future CCP will get around to fixing it.
That doesn't make any sense to get mad about because you're essentially complaining because something is in a rough, unfinished form while it's being built. Also instead of saying "get around to fixing it" you should say "reaches that step in an ordered process of construction".
And then this:
GeneralButtNaked wrote:
After they have gotten paid though. The reason why this game went OB without a market was so that CCP could grab that money.
Possibly, wouldn't rule it out. But it could also be that if they had removed the AUR items from the game it would completely change the way people leveled up. Plus they probably want to know what kind of demand for AUR items they can expect.
Yea, it does suck. It isn't fair to people that don't spend real money. But I knew that when I started playing the game. CCP isn't trying to screw anyone. It's just a crappy situation that was unavoidable. Unless of course you expect a company to just not accept money from its customers... |
Altina McAlterson
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Posted - 2013.03.24 22:12:00 -
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Until I hear otherwise I'm going to assume those items are a simple oversight. The Light Damage mod was removed already so maybe they just overlooked those mods? |
Altina McAlterson
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Posted - 2013.03.24 23:04:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Altina McAlterson wrote:Until I hear otherwise I'm going to assume those items are a simple oversight. The Light Damage mod was removed already so maybe they just overlooked those mods? The list of items like this has been slowly dropping. For a while, there were a good number of AUR weapons that were MUCH better than their ISK equivalents because they had teh lower PG/CPU requirements of the previous tier as well as the lower skill prerequisites. They took "all" of them out, but missed the 'Broadside' HMG and the 'Codewish' AR. These were later also removed. Hopefully, the same will happen with the remainder, but people need to keep that info visible so CCP actually notice it. These items ARE pay-to-win items, and will remain so as long as we're playing without a player market.
(I bolded that last part because it's important later on.)
The AUR weapons with the low fittings were simple mistakes. There was no explanation as to why they were different than the other AUR weapons so somebody obviously just put in the wrong values. With millions of lines of code and 20 hour days those sort of things are to be expected.
These other modules actually state in the description that they are superior to the ISK versions. The rest of those items were already removed and those few were mistakenly left in the game.
I had started a whole long response to Mr. General Naked but I'll just tack the short version on here. FIrst, I never said "it's a BETA". I said the game was incomplete. There is a difference. CCP will put the market in the game when it is ready. Do you really expect them to alter the development schedule of a multimillion dollar game so that we think it's "fair"?
When the market goes in the problem will be solved. So until then you can either shut up or quit playing. All of you can seriously shut up about this crap.
And here's where the bolded text is important...so ******* what? Yea, it is "P2W" until the market is up and running. So you can either come back then or stfu. You want CCP to change their schedule because your KDR is low since everyone else has boosters?
This isn't an issue. Once the market gets here it will all be fair. And until then it will be unfair. Deal with it. We are her to identify problems. We've identified the problem. CCP has an answer. They will fix it when they fix it.
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