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GeneralButtNaked wrote:

Tyrin Tonious wrote:

1.) Those of you who are equally p-o-ed by the Aurum items, I hope this can shed some light, I don't think I have really seen anyone bring it up. CCP needs a form of income to pay their bills and employees, ect. It's a free to play game, how else are they going to pay for everything that will keep this game going, it isn't going to come to us for free.

2.) All of the Aurum toys are equal to the next Tiered ISK Proto and as far as I know, there isn't any Tier 5 Aur items unless there was a Tier 6 isk item. This is the way they are attempting to balance the Aurum so that people with less time can compete with people with more time, think of it as SP vs Aur, granted you lose Aur with every loss but that is it as it stands.

1. If CCP wants people to pay the development costs, they should have used kickstarter. Not done it on the backs of their closed beta testers. Most of whom are already Eve subscribers. That is some serious double dipping.

2. I made a post about this, there are supremacy goods in the market right now. So stop making this same shallow argument when it has been repeatedly shown to be false.

I have no problem with those goods being on the market, but those of you who keep saying they don't exist need to go and educate yourself on what is actually for sale.


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Tyrin Tonious Wraith Shadow Guards 7	Posted - 2013.03.24 20:30:00 - [1] - Quote 1.) Those of you who are equally p-o-ed by the Aurum items, I hope this can shed some light, I don't think I have really seen anyone bring it up. CCP needs a form of income to pay their bills and employees, ect. It's a free to play game, how else are they going to pay for everything that will keep this game going, it isn't going to come to us for free. 2.) All of the Aurum toys are equal to the next Tiered ISK Proto and as far as I know, there isn't any Tier 5 Aur items unless there was a Tier 6 isk item. This is the way they are attempting to balance the Aurum so that people with less time can compete with people with more time, think of it as SP vs Aur, granted you lose Aur with every loss but that is it as it stands. 3.) When the player driven market is finally in place, those Aurum items will be available to ANYONE willing to pay a large sum of ISK for low Tiered Protos. Providing more ISK for players with less time and players with more time and the ISK to be able to use LOWER TIERED PROTOS. Eventually providing full balance and therefor elliminating those complaining about Aurum items. So... why not just deal with it for now. Just go play something else in the mean time and return for Fanfest or just try to enjoy what we currently have. Yes, while some of us get annoyed, keep in mind, it will all change be become more and more balanced as time passes. Only real reasons they would release more Aurum items is yes of course, they need to make money, but also because those weapons are already available (albeit at higher SP/BOOK LEVELS) and why not already release what we already have for money at lower a TIER
Tyrin Tonious Wraith Shadow Guards 7	Posted - 2013.03.25 06:58:00 - [2] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Tyrin Tonious wrote: 1.) Those of you who are equally p-o-ed by the Aurum items, I hope this can shed some light, I don't think I have really seen anyone bring it up. CCP needs a form of income to pay their bills and employees, ect. It's a free to play game, how else are they going to pay for everything that will keep this game going, it isn't going to come to us for free. 2.) All of the Aurum toys are equal to the next Tiered ISK Proto and as far as I know, there isn't any Tier 5 Aur items unless there was a Tier 6 isk item. This is the way they are attempting to balance the Aurum so that people with less time can compete with people with more time, think of it as SP vs Aur, granted you lose Aur with every loss but that is it as it stands. 1. If CCP wants people to pay the development costs, they should have used kickstarter. Not done it on the backs of their closed beta testers. Most of whom are already Eve subscribers. That is some serious double dipping. 2. I made a post about this, there are supremacy goods in the market right now. So stop making this same shallow argument when it has been repeatedly shown to be false. I have no problem with those goods being on the market, but those of you who keep saying they don't exist need to go and educate yourself on what is actually for sale. No one is denying the existence of Aur items, I can't understand your argument when everything is matched vs non-Aur items. For some reason I think you're just now either Trolling or QQ because you got but hurt by a Aur PROTO in your basic fit. Get over it dude, the items are there and they aren't going away. And as far as I am concerned, CCP can do what they want to do in order to get money, nothing wrong with riding on Aur items. Not everyone is going to pay for all the BPC's. I know I don't and I paid for the Merc and Starter PKGs just because I care about the project. If they want to give me extras, great, I'll take the BPO's. Only BPC I've used were the FUSED and I don't even get that many kills with them anyways. I haven't even use the NEO suits, I have the Raven and Dragonfly BPO's. I'm good with those as Basic suits as well as the Exile and Toxin. These Suits I have are practically identical to the standard suits above MLT as well as the Toxin and Exile. One difference is that it allows me to farm isk better since I don't have to cover the ISK cost of restocking those weapons and suits. They are there, they are going to stay, end of story. The way you describe them is incorrect and there will never be an Aur item all godly above the best Tiered (Proto) ISK item. Have a nice day and go do yourself and buy a couple BPO's and boosters and just let go, this isn't World of Tanks where the better ammo can only be bought with money. AGAIN, they are there, aren't going anywhere, end of it.
Tyrin Tonious Wraith Shadow Guards 7	Posted - 2013.03.25 07:05:00 - [3] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Altina McAlterson wrote: Until I hear otherwise I'm going to assume those items are a simple oversight. The Light Damage mod was removed already so maybe they just overlooked those mods? The list of items like this has been slowly dropping. For a while, there were a good number of AUR weapons that were MUCH better than their ISK equivalents because they had teh lower PG/CPU requirements of the previous tier as well as the lower skill prerequisites. They took "all" of them out, but missed the 'Broadside' HMG and the 'Codewish' AR. These were later also removed. Hopefully, the same will happen with the remainder, but people need to keep that info visible so CCP actually notice it. These items ARE pay-to-win items, and will remain so as long as we're playing without a player market. Then if this is a possible oversight. Don't you think a better approach would have been a REQUEST/SUGGESTION of the removal of these Aur items or addition of the ISK counter-part. Instead a Rage thread on the Gen Discussion? If you noticed a trend of the removal of previous OP Aur items, then why proceed here to make an invalid case due to future builds where more than likely most of these that have been missed will be fixed. Even then, wouldn't it be better to still just proceed to the REQUEST/SUGGESTION part of the board and make your plea to either have them removed or like I said, the ISK counter-part added. After you statement here, I think you've gone all wrong about it and blown it into epic proportions. Garret, post within the REQUEST/SUGGESTION thread, and be sure to provide all stats on said items, be sure to also include the isk counter-parts and stats as well, CCP will need to look into it all. Dev, lock this thread.