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GeneralButtNaked
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Posted - 2013.03.24 19:20:00 -
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I love the response from the defenders of this stuff.
"When the market comes in"
"Once we can trade"
And so on.
All this really says it that it is unbalanced now, but sometime in the future CCP will get around to fixing it.
After they have gotten paid though. The reason why this game went OB without a market was so that CCP could grab that money. |
GeneralButtNaked
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Posted - 2013.03.24 19:32:00 -
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Deluxe Edition wrote:Their are way to many items on the AUR marketplace with advantages over their ISK counterparts other than you can get them earlier.
As far as I can tell there are only a few.
The Seismic and Sliver Complex Damage mods, Tether Complex Shield Regulator, and the Schism Viziam Rep Tool.
Other than those, I think everything else is just early access to gear.
But those 4 items are supremacy goods for sure. |
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Posted - 2013.03.24 20:31:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:I think we hashed this out before but here we go again. First, this part: GeneralButtNaked wrote:
All this really says it that it is unbalanced now, but sometime in the future CCP will get around to fixing it.
That doesn't make any sense to get mad about because you're essentially complaining because something is in a rough, unfinished form while it's being built. Also instead of saying "get around to fixing it" you should say "reaches that step in an ordered process of construction".
OK, let me be more clear, since it is apparently needed.
First, remove the beta argument. It carries no weight. As CCP has stated, in other places, the game passed commercial launch when they migrated to TQ. So, since CCP considers the game commercially launched, we can then refer to the product as released, regardless of the stupid header on the menus.
Further, CCP has openly stated many times that the game is not P2W, that there would be no supremacy goods on offer. However if you go into the market right now, there are in fact supremacy goods for sale. You can call that what you like, I will use the word dishonesty.
Finally, in what part of this ordered process of construction is this secondary market coming to pass? Do you know? Does CCP? Take a wild guess, they aren't going to tell you. Because it is not in their best interests to tell you.
Altina McAlterson wrote:And then this: GeneralButtNaked wrote:
After they have gotten paid though. The reason why this game went OB without a market was so that CCP could grab that money.
Possibly, wouldn't rule it out. But it could also be that if they had removed the AUR items from the game it would completely change the way people leveled up. Plus they probably want to know what kind of demand for AUR items they can expect. Yea, it does suck. It isn't fair to people that don't spend real money. But I knew that when I started playing the game. CCP isn't trying to screw anyone. It's just a crappy situation that was unavoidable. Unless of course you expect a company to just not accept money from its customers...
It is not a crappy situation that was unavoidable. CCP could have kept the game in closed beta until it was ready for release. They could have made sure that the bare minimum of promised features was in place before opening it up to consumers and taking cash for it.
And no, I don't expect CCP to be forthright. I don't expect them to perform up to any sort of expectation. But I also don't plan on giving them any more of my money until they get their act together. I'm just pissed that my aurum and merc pack items are stuck on the main account on my PS3 and I can't even trade them to this account.
Bottom line is that if they are willing to take cash, they better be ready to deliver something for it, instead of just promising while accepting payments. If they can't or won't then they should expect flak for it, because that is what happens when you don't deliver on your promises.
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GeneralButtNaked
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Posted - 2013.03.24 20:35:00 -
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Tyrin Tonious wrote:1.) Those of you who are equally p-o-ed by the Aurum items, I hope this can shed some light, I don't think I have really seen anyone bring it up. CCP needs a form of income to pay their bills and employees, ect. It's a free to play game, how else are they going to pay for everything that will keep this game going, it isn't going to come to us for free.
2.) All of the Aurum toys are equal to the next Tiered ISK Proto and as far as I know, there isn't any Tier 5 Aur items unless there was a Tier 6 isk item. This is the way they are attempting to balance the Aurum so that people with less time can compete with people with more time, think of it as SP vs Aur, granted you lose Aur with every loss but that is it as it stands.
1. If CCP wants people to pay the development costs, they should have used kickstarter. Not done it on the backs of their closed beta testers. Most of whom are already Eve subscribers. That is some serious double dipping.
2. I made a post about this, there are supremacy goods in the market right now. So stop making this same shallow argument when it has been repeatedly shown to be false.
I have no problem with those goods being on the market, but those of you who keep saying they don't exist need to go and educate yourself on what is actually for sale. |
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:04:00 -
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Laheon wrote:General, I've noticed a little bit of agitation from you regarding CCP.
I would make a long post with some counter-arguments, but I've just had a big dinner, so I'm feeling quite lazy.
So I'll just say this. There are no "supremacy" goods on the market. Yes, they're better than that tier, but there are better weapons than THAT weapon out there. It's not like having a weapon which does 10% more damage than every other weapon of that type, or cost 20% less fitting, etc. The Duvolle has the same stats as the AUR proto AR.
Oh really?
I have already made this point so many times, but here we go again.
#1: Seismic Heavy Complex Damage modifier. Only available with Aurum, uses 23 less CPU and 4 less PG than ANY ISK variant.
#2: Sliver Sidearm Complex Damage modifier. Same reduction in CPU and PG as above, also Aurum only, also better than ANY ISK variant.
#3: Tether Complex Shield Regulator. Uses 11 CPU and 1 PG less than ANY ISK regulator, only available with Aurum.
#4. Schizm Viziam Repair Tool: 16 CPU and 4 PG less than any ISK variant, only available for Aurum.
These goods are not for early access to complex damage mods, or rep tools or regulators. They are BETTER THAN THE ISK VERSIONS AND ONLY AVAILABLE WITH AURUM!
So please, if you haven't really looked at the market, go and do so now. These things are there, and are supremacy goods. |
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Posted - 2013.03.24 23:33:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:
And here's where the bolded text is important...so ******* what? Yea, it is "P2W" until the market is up and running. So you can either come back then or stfu. You want CCP to change their schedule because your KDR is low since everyone else has boosters?
This isn't an issue. Once the market gets here it will all be fair. And until then it will be unfair. Deal with it. We are her to identify problems. We've identified the problem. CCP has an answer. They will fix it when they fix it.
Look, I think we have reached an issue where we are arguing about different things. I have no problem with P2W. On the contrary I think it is a great way for CCP to generate income. No need to remove it, or even change it.
You don't even need a secondary market, as i have no particular issue with a tiered playerbase beyond the fact that it limits broad appeal.
What I take issue with is people who do not recognize that here are P2W goods on the market. What I also take issue with is CCP marketing saying that the game will absolutely not be P2W, then offering those types of goods.
If CCP wants to make the game P2W, that is fine by me. If they want to make it balanced with cosmetic Aur items, or earlier access to them, that is just as good. That is their choice as the developer. However, please do not say that the game is level and then have supremacy goods.
Also, my bone of contention as far as the market, is more an issue of the way the players speak about the matter. You addressed that very bluntly with the fair/unfair comment, and I have no problem with that. If only the devs could be so plain. |
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Posted - 2013.03.25 07:22:00 -
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Tyrin Tonious wrote:
No one is denying the existence of Aur items, I can't understand your argument when everything is matched vs non-Aur items..
OK, you are officially an idiot. Regardless of all other arguments about P2W and all that other crap, the sentence above is 100% wrong.
The four items I referred to in my other posts are BETTER than their ISK counterparts. OK? Do you get that now skippy?
They are not equal, they provide benefits that you cannot get right now with ISK. If you think that is not the case, you are wrong.
I understand that when the player market comes in that they will be available to everyone, assuming they are still on the market.
But right now, today, they are better than what you can get for ISK.
If you disagree, go to the market and check them out for yourself. Then buy some before they are gone, I know I did.
I listed the specific items, provided the stats, and you still come back and say the exact same thing. And you think I am trolling?
You high bro? Or just stupid? |
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