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Three Double-A Batteries wrote:

Laheon wrote:

KING PDIGGY wrote:

So somebody takes my money and doesnt give it back, i'm supposed to just stand their and take it?

Sounds like you don't know what growing up is...

No, but there's a childish way to go about it, and an adult way. Throwing your toys out of the pram (i.e complaining to the BBB, posting emails publicly, insulting them) is childish. The adult way would be to explain your dilemma, e.g. "I haven't been refunded all of my aurum from closed beta. Can you please check the amount I've been given against the amount I've paid for?", as opposed to "or are you still busy counting the money you stole?"

Frankly, all I've seen of your posts, ever, have just said entitled, spoilt, immature prat.

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Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 559	Posted - 2013.03.23 04:32:00 - [91] - Quote Three Double-A Batteries wrote: Just do a charge back on your credit card. Easily fixed. A typically shifty CCP response as well I notice. Don't see how it's shifty considering he got banned. Go to the theaters, get kicked out, and then ask for your money back, go on.
Three Double-A Batteries Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 79	Posted - 2013.03.23 04:42:00 - [92] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Three Double-A Batteries wrote: Just do a charge back on your credit card. Easily fixed. A typically shifty CCP response as well I notice. Don't see how it's shifty considering he got banned. Go to the theaters, get kicked out, and then ask for your money back, go on. 1. CCP happily take your money. 2. CCP then ban your account. 3. "No sorry, we didn't take your money. It was Sony, so let's just pass the buck to them shall we? We're too busy over here over here with your money." In this case this guy might have simply been a terrible asshat and deserved his ban, but the model is seriously flawed and weighted in CCP's favor in any dispute. And that is shifty. You would be crazy to give CCP any money under these arrangements. It's typical off CCP. Treat people like crap behind the scenes and those who argue about it get treated like kooks by fan boys. Given Sony's dodgy recent history I hope the BBB give it a good look. Conditions of purchase like these shouldn't be buried away in T&Cs somewhere, it should be stated in the process.
hydraSlav's Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 2	Posted - 2013.03.23 04:44:00 - [93] - Quote ROFL! Keep going mate, this is hilarious, made my night. I truly thank you, PDIGGY. Quality entertainment right there. Oh help, my sides are hurting now
Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 733	Posted - 2013.03.23 04:46:00 - [94] - Quote That would actually be the purpose of the Terms and Conditions. This thread reads like the ranting of a spoiled three year old.
Calgoth Reborn United Front LLC 172	Posted - 2013.03.23 04:58:00 - [95] - Quote Three Double-A Batteries wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Three Double-A Batteries wrote: Just do a charge back on your credit card. Easily fixed. A typically shifty CCP response as well I notice. Don't see how it's shifty considering he got banned. Go to the theaters, get kicked out, and then ask for your money back, go on. 1. CCP happily take your money. 2. CCP then ban your account. 3. "No sorry, we didn't take your money. It was Sony, so let's just pass the buck to them shall we? We're too busy over here over here with your money." In this case this guy might have simply been a terrible asshat and deserved his ban, but the model is seriously flawed and weighted in CCP's favor in any dispute. And that is shifty. You would be crazy to give CCP any money under these arrangements. It's typical off CCP. Treat people like crap behind the scenes and those who argue about it get treated like kooks by fan boys. Given Sony's dodgy recent history I hope the BBB give it a good look. Conditions of purchase like these shouldn't be buried away in T&Cs somewhere, it should be stated in the process. Actually a PSN purchase if any issue's must taken up with Sony as per one of the response's he received which is a fact regardless of what game it is not just Dust. He got banned another fact I have never seen a game that will refund your money if you get banned it's just part of the consequence's he must face for his own action's
Calgoth Reborn United Front LLC 172	Posted - 2013.03.23 05:00:00 - [96] - Quote Three Double-A Batteries wrote: Laheon wrote: KING PDIGGY wrote: So somebody takes my money and doesnt give it back, i'm supposed to just stand their and take it? Sounds like you don't know what growing up is... No, but there's a childish way to go about it, and an adult way. Throwing your toys out of the pram (i.e complaining to the BBB, posting emails publicly, insulting them) is childish. The adult way would be to explain your dilemma, e.g. "I haven't been refunded all of my aurum from closed beta. Can you please check the amount I've been given against the amount I've paid for?", as opposed to "or are you still busy counting the money you stole?" Frankly, all I've seen of your posts, ever, have just said entitled, spoilt, immature prat. Your post is in breach of the following rules: 2. Be respectful toward others at all times. The purpose of the DUST 514 forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of DUST 514. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others. 3. Ranting is prohibited. A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents. 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated. 5. Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. If you want to go that route the OP is in violation of this rule 9. Posting of private CCP communication is prohibited. The posting of private communication between the Game Masters, DUST Team members, Moderators, Administrators of the forums and forum users is prohibited. CCP respect the right of our players to privacy and as such you are not permitted to publicize private correspondence (including petition responses and emails) received from any of the aforementioned parties.
Lanky Chew Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 72	Posted - 2013.03.23 05:25:00 - [97] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Laheon wrote: Pdiggy. You paid for aurum. That account then got banned. The aurum is linked directly to the account. In effect, when you started playing this game, you signed a contract with CCP. You agreed to their terms of service. You broke those rules, and at their discretion, they decided to ban you for it. Frankly, it's clear cut. No court would back you on this. You're not going to get a refund from CCP, because you violated the "contract" and you were punished for it. Not stealing. You were simply being stupid. And all over $10 lol, I can't imagine this guy going through the drive thru I can. You can eat a lot of spit with $10 and that sort of attitude. And the best part is, the saliva is free.
Rupture Reaperson Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 70	Posted - 2013.03.23 05:30:00 - [98] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: And all over $10 lol, I can't imagine this guy going through the drive thru HAHAHAHHA ..im dying here, oh my sides
jenza aranda BetaMax. CRONOS. 1026	Posted - 2013.03.23 06:02:00 - [99] - Quote lol, i actually remember your NDA violations... im fairly sure it was me that reported them! Cry moar kid! you broke the rules knowing the possible consequences, and so you must take the punishment. you even posted a challenging "Your move CCP" when your videos where taken down and you tried to have them claimed back on. Keep going and this just wont go well for you, sweetie.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 562	Posted - 2013.03.23 06:14:00 - [100] - Quote Three Double-A Batteries wrote: Go to the theaters, get kicked out, and then ask for your money back, go on. 1. CCP happily take your money. 2. CCP then ban your account. 3. "No sorry, we didn't take your money. It was Sony, so let's just pass the buck to them shall we? We're too busy over here over here with your money." In this case this guy might have simply been a terrible asshat and deserved his ban, but the model is seriously flawed and weighted in CCP's favor in any dispute. And that is shifty. You would be crazy to give CCP any money under these arrangements. It's typical off CCP. Treat people like crap behind the scenes and those who argue about it get treated like kooks by fan boys. Given Sony's dodgy recent history I hope the BBB give it a good look. Conditions of purchase like these shouldn't be buried away in T&Cs somewhere, it should be stated in the process.[/quote] So buying stuff should exempt me from getting banned and breaking the rules? He's an idiot and and broke the NDA, he got what he deserved.

Buster Friently Rosen Association 156	Posted - 2013.03.23 06:20:00 - [101] - Quote KING PDIGGY wrote: http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz188/pdiggy22/ed770a05-8a01-4274-a4f5-e9b3e11161f2_zps0a5b61ca.jpg thoughts? Filed a complaint with the BBB http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz188/pdiggy22/Screenshot2013-03-22at43957PM_zps7ff77fdc.png Let me see, you violated the TOS and got your account banned. Now you want the money that you spent on the account back? lol Do you try to return wrecked cars to the dealership as well?
Cyn Bruin Imperfects Negative-Feedback 725	Posted - 2013.03.23 06:31:00 - [102] - Quote All the facts/nonfacts aside. This should show people this IS NOT A BETA ANYMORE. When a company receives money for its software, it's not a beta anymore. This has been a paid "beta" for along time. In CCP's initial contract to us the players, it said all aurum would be refunded when game launches right? Then it was adjusted by them (legal?) and this is no longer the case. CCP will keep this game in a state of "beta" as long as they can. This allows them to shrug off all complaints as unfinished software and avoid any legal ramifications of changing their "aurum refunded" policy. I have no internal knowledge of the happenings with Pdiggy22 or CCP during this time. But I do know that MANY people posted up videos of DUST514 during closed beta. Some were taken down by youtube, some werent, but the posters of said videos were never perma-banned like him. Some were definitely banned, but not to this extent. Once again tag interferes with rational thinking. Was he in the wrong in posting videos during "closed beta" even though you could buy into it? I think he violated the agreement and probably deserved some punishment because of the contract. But if you are going to perma-ban one person for it, you have to perma-ban them all and that didn't happen.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 55	Posted - 2013.03.23 06:42:00 - [103] - Quote Cyn Bruin wrote: All the facts/nonfacts aside. This should show people this IS NOT A BETA ANYMORE. When a company receives money for its software, it's not a beta anymore. This has been a paid "beta" for along time. In CCP's initial contract to us the players, it said all aurum would be refunded when game launches right? Then it was adjusted by them (legal?) and this is no longer the case. CCP will keep this game in a state of "beta" as long as they can. This allows them to shrug off all complaints as unfinished software and avoid any legal ramifications of changing their "aurum refunded" policy. I have no internal knowledge of the happenings with Pdiggy22 or CCP during this time. But I do know that MANY people posted up videos of DUST514 during closed beta. Some were taken down by youtube, some werent, but the posters of said videos were never perma-banned like him. Some were definitely banned, but not to this extent. Once again tag interferes with rational thinking. Was he in the wrong in posting videos during "closed beta" even though you could buy into it? I think he violated the agreement and probably deserved some punishment because of the contract. But if you are going to perma-ban one person for it, you have to perma-ban them all and that didn't happen. how do you know the others weren't permabanned? He agreed to the NDA, then willingly broke it. he deserves every punishment they give. and it's all legal.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 562	Posted - 2013.03.23 07:06:00 - [104] - Quote Cyn Bruin wrote: All the facts/nonfacts aside. This should show people this IS NOT A BETA ANYMORE. When a company receives money for its software, it's not a beta anymore. This has been a paid "beta" for along time. In CCP's initial contract to us the players, it said all aurum would be refunded when game launches right? Then it was adjusted by them (legal?) and this is no longer the case. CCP will keep this game in a state of "beta" as long as they can. This allows them to shrug off all complaints as unfinished software and avoid any legal ramifications of changing their "aurum refunded" policy. I have no internal knowledge of the happenings with Pdiggy22 or CCP during this time. But I do know that MANY people posted up videos of DUST514 during closed beta. Some were taken down by youtube, some werent, but the posters of said videos were never perma-banned like him. Some were definitely banned, but not to this extent. Once again tag interferes with rational thinking. Was he in the wrong in posting videos during "closed beta" even though you could buy into it? I think he violated the agreement and probably deserved some punishment because of the contract. But if you are going to perma-ban one person for it, you have to perma-ban them all and that didn't happen. CCP tried to take down his videos, he could have been a good boy and let them. Instead he QQed to Youtube so he could keep them up. He could have co-operated, instead he chose to fight it it even though he knew he wasn't supposed to post the videos in the first place. It's hard to feel sorry for him. I doubt CCP singled him out just so they could keep his measly 10 bucks.
Dalton Smithe OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 70	Posted - 2013.03.23 07:07:00 - [105] - Quote Cyn Bruin wrote: All the facts/nonfacts aside. This should show people this IS NOT A BETA ANYMORE. When a company receives money for its software, it's not a beta anymore. This has been a paid "beta" for along time. In CCP's initial contract to us the players, it said all aurum would be refunded when game launches right? Then it was adjusted by them (legal?) and this is no longer the case. CCP will keep this game in a state of "beta" as long as they can. This allows them to shrug off all complaints as unfinished software and avoid any legal ramifications of changing their "aurum refunded" policy. I have no internal knowledge of the happenings with Pdiggy22 or CCP during this time. But I do know that MANY people posted up videos of DUST514 during closed beta. Some were taken down by youtube, some werent, but the posters of said videos were never perma-banned like him. Some were definitely banned, but not to this extent. Once again tag interferes with rational thinking. Was he in the wrong in posting videos during "closed beta" even though you could buy into it? I think he violated the agreement and probably deserved some punishment because of the contract. But if you are going to perma-ban one person for it, you have to perma-ban them all and that didn't happen. Here is the thing, we don't know why CCP banned him. We don't know what he did. He posted videos, and his account was banned, whatever. He may have done something else entirely. He might have Given CCP a reason to perma ban his account. We don't know. All we know is that he feels he has been wronged by CCP and decided to post it on the forums. If you get permanently banned from a game, especially one that is handled server side, you don't get a refund, period. I doubt very highly that CCP banned him for no reason whatsoever. The truth of the matter is that we will only get one side of the story because CCP does not discuss the particulars of why they ban someone. All we have to go on is pdiggys word. You can really make a story up to be anything you want, even if you have a couple of e-mails to back you up. I feel bad he lost $10 bucks, but come on, ranting in a forum about something that he probably did to himself? meh
slap26 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 513	Posted - 2013.03.23 07:14:00 - [106] - Quote Most of these replies are biased towards PDIGGY, I have no love/hate towards the man. But to me this is a corporation that stole someones money. Say you bought a pair of shoes but the company said that you could only where the shoes without laces, You say to yourself "They're ********, I'm not wearing shoes without laces" The company then catches you wearing the shoes with laces, and then takes those shoes back from you without giving you a refund. I'd be angry and expect some sort of reimbursement. CCP should do the right thing and transfer the AUR to his current main account
Rifter7 Improvise. 114	Posted - 2013.03.23 07:20:00 - [107] - Quote that sucks dude.. good luck in your endeavor.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 55	Posted - 2013.03.23 07:23:00 - [108] - Quote slap26 wrote: Most of these replies are biased towards PDIGGY, I have no love/hate towards the man. But to me this is a corporation that stole someones money. Say you bought a pair of shoes but the company said that you could only where the shoes without laces, You say to yourself "They're ********, I'm not wearing shoes without laces" The company then catches you wearing the shoes with laces, and then takes those shoes back from you without giving you a refund. I'd be angry and expect some sort of reimbursement. CCP should do the right thing and transfer the AUR to his current main account no, it's more like you bought the shoes, signed an agreement not to wear them in public, and then ran around the mall screaming "HEY EVERYONE LOOK AT MY SHOES THAT I JUST BOUGHT AND AGREED NOT TO WEAR IN PUBLIC!" then when they took your shoes away, you had a major temper tantrum and demanded your money back. Maybe he should man up and realize that he agreed to something, and broke his agreement.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 562	Posted - 2013.03.23 07:23:00 - [109] - Quote slap26 wrote: Most of these replies are biased towards PDIGGY, I have no love/hate towards the man. But to me this is a corporation that stole someones money. Say you bought a pair of shoes but the company said that you could only where the shoes without laces, You say to yourself "They're ********, I'm not wearing shoes without laces" The company then catches you wearing the shoes with laces, and then takes those shoes back from you without giving you a refund. I'd be angry and expect some sort of reimbursement. CCP should do the right thing and transfer the AUR to his current main account Except they told him he couldn't wear laces before he bought them, and he agreed to it. Say If I go to a bar and buy drinks and then I get into a fight and get kicked out before I finish my drinks, did the bar steal from me? No, I acted like an idiot and lost those drinks because of it. Replace bar with theater, restaurant... Dust. He has no right to complain, he was warned beforehand, and did it anyway.
Wicked Glory Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 124	Posted - 2013.03.23 07:28:00 - [110] - Quote If only Tupac were alive... Then injustices like these would never be committed.

Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 55	Posted - 2013.03.23 07:30:00 - [111] - Quote Wicked Glory wrote: If only Tupac were alive... Then injustices like these would never be committed. What? in what logic does that fit?
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 562	Posted - 2013.03.23 07:30:00 - [112] - Quote Wicked Glory wrote: If only Tupac were alive... Then injustices like these would never be committed. This sinful earth wasn't good enough for him
Wicked Glory Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 124	Posted - 2013.03.23 07:33:00 - [113] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Wicked Glory wrote: If only Tupac were alive... Then injustices like these would never be committed. What? in what logic does that fit? TUPACOLYPSE NOW NIGG@
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 55	Posted - 2013.03.23 07:35:00 - [114] - Quote Wicked Glory wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Wicked Glory wrote: If only Tupac were alive... Then injustices like these would never be committed. What? in what logic does that fit? TUPACOLYPSE NOW NIGG@ Uhhh, I'm white. That doesn't work on me.
Wicked Glory Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 124	Posted - 2013.03.23 07:38:00 - [115] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Wicked Glory wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Wicked Glory wrote: If only Tupac were alive... Then injustices like these would never be committed. What? in what logic does that fit? TUPACOLYPSE NOW NIGG@ Uhhh, I'm white. That doesn't work on me. Why do you continue to perpetuate the patriarchy then?
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 562	Posted - 2013.03.23 07:39:00 - [116] - Quote Bad Luck Pidgey
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 55	Posted - 2013.03.23 07:48:00 - [117] - Quote Wicked Glory wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Wicked Glory wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Wicked Glory wrote: If only Tupac were alive... Then injustices like these would never be committed. What? in what logic does that fit? TUPACOLYPSE NOW NIGG@ Uhhh, I'm white. That doesn't work on me. Why do you continue to perpetuate the patriarchy then? Because I do. That's why.
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 156	Posted - 2013.03.23 11:29:00 - [118] - Quote So let me get this straight OP is in the closed beta which has very strict NDA, he decided to break the NDA by showcasing some gameplay on youtube CCP either get told or find out hes breaking the NDA and ban him OP tho bought some stuff using his account which then got banned for him breaking the rules so now he cannot access anything on that account because he got banned, including paid for items/AUR Yet CCP will automatically reset everything once in a while so even if his account is banned that account will still get back the things hes bought but the problem is he cannot access them because hes banned So OP problem is not with CCP for banning him, its is with himself for getting banned in the 1st place which lead CCP to ban him and prevent him from using his paid for items/AUR because he got himself banned TLDR: OP is a ******
Don Von Hulio UnReaL. 144	Posted - 2013.03.23 11:45:00 - [119] - Quote Here is an activity everyone can join in on. First, go to google search main page. Click the text entry box. Then type, "OP is a". Even google knows.... lolololol LOLOLOLOLOOLOOLOLOLLOLOLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLOL
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 205	Posted - 2013.03.23 11:50:00 - [120] - Quote Three Double-A Batteries wrote: Your post is in breach of the following rules: 2. Be respectful toward others at all times. The purpose of the DUST 514 forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of DUST 514. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others. 3. Ranting is prohibited. A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents. 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated. 5. Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. 2. Okay, yes. I can see that. Apologies. 3. Not a rant. Constructive criticism. I'm informing him that his attitude is damaging his efforts to get any refund, and telling him how his behaviour could be improved. 4. Yes. Okay. 5. Not a troll. A troll tries to get a reaction by posting something inflammatory. If anything, he's trolling, not me.



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