I didnt really see all the fuss before, but this weekend I played in a game a sniper had me pinned down behind cover. Along comes a blueberry logi who saw my armor needed a rep. So he starts repairing me and it was so funny cuz I even yelled out loud, WATCH OUT THERES A SNIPER! A second later his head gets shot off.

I felt really bad. So yeah, there are actually some situations where I see how it can be helpful.

Or just use team chat...

"Finally?" All those who spoke against proxy chat were idiots....there is no downside to having proxy chat. Pepople being antagonistic for the sake of being antagonistic

yeah..because blueberrys all turn on team chat before the game starts.

why do they let stupid people on the internet?

Proximity chat is a nearly useless most lag inducing feature I can think of...

Or just use team chat...

You're a pub player who would never see the benefits of proxy chat therefore you opinion really doesn't matter.

Downside

Everyone can hear everything including tactics and moaning

Its easymode for those who cant figure out what the enemy is planning so they need to hear them talk about tactics because they are bad players

Im wearing a helmet so no one can hear me

Deal with it

Downside

Everyone can hear everything including tactics and moaning

Its easymode for those who cant figure out what the enemy is planning so they need to hear them talk about tactics because they are bad players

Im wearing a helmet so no one can hear me

Deal with it

You're a pub player who would never see the benefits of proxy chat therefore you opinion really doesn't matter.

Proximity chat is a nearly useless most lag inducing feature I can think of...

There's no downside. Turn down voicechat on your menu options...or keep it low by default and make those who favor Proximity turn it up.

Don't want people to hear your tactics? STFU talking in areas where the bad guys are. SOLVED.

EZ Mode? That might be the dumbest comment i've seen on the forums in...well, FOREVER. Good players use every advantage. Especially intel from you guys who don't know how to shut your trap.

That's funny...I sure can hear explosions and gunfire just fine. So only voice soundwaves don't travel? Those are some interesting physics we have here in New Eden.

Want intel in EVE? get a spy in the corp and chat channels and work for it

Want intel in DUST? ask for a scrub mechanic which offers nothing to the game or gameplay

If you cant cope now without proxy maybe you should quit

I am saying what does proximity chat have to offer outside of teabagging?

I am saying what does proximity chat have to offer outside of teabagging?

You are speaking of noobness. Like I said do you know what it's like to kill a red dot then have them talk shizzle like you never would have heard them. Thus the great pleasure. Hearing a real world persons tears actually falling.................. Priceless.

You're a pub player who would never see the benefits of proxy chat therefore you opinion really doesn't matter.

I rather bore a hole though your head as you're tea-bagging.

Which would make my case. You don't know what it's like. It's honestly a great feature.

No.. no its not. Offers me no advantage for the lag it causes.

yeah..because blueberrys all turn on team chat before the game starts.

why do they let stupid people on the internet?

yeah..because blueberrys all turn on team chat before the game starts.

why do they let stupid people on the internet?

I rather be on combined team comms with quick switch to squad or vice versa and being able to pick which two channels I want default talk on and hot swap to talk on. After may have to yell at the navy to fix their act and get a bombardment on down.

There's no downside. Turn down voicechat on your menu options...or keep it low by default and make those who favor Proximity turn it up.

Don't want people to hear your tactics? STFU talking in areas where the bad guys are. SOLVED.

EZ Mode? That might be the dumbest comment i've seen on the forums in...well, FOREVER. Good players use every advantage. Especially intel from you guys who don't know how to shut your trap.

That's funny...I sure can hear explosions and gunfire just fine. So only voice soundwaves don't travel? Those are some interesting physics we have here in New Eden.

I dont teabag or trash talk.

But I do listen for instances when the Dust 514 equivalent of the three stooges try to stealth flank my position but don't have the common sense to STFU while doing it.

Its also a great way to locate talkative snipers.

Then there's the instances you can warn blue-dots, ask for a ride, ammo, ask someone to cover the other door, tell a pilot to take you to A, or ask someone to watch your back while you hack....

But not like any of those things important or anything........(eyeroll)

No.. no its not. Offers me no advantage for the lag it causes.

Reasons against Proximity chat: way too low of the totem pole of things to add to even care about.
potential lag.
We'd all sound like the TF2 Pyro
Sig radius is measured in Db. As that is the standard abbreviation for Decibels I assume it is based off how much noise you make. As a scout with -125% to signature radius no one would hear me unless I was running and even then few would hear me.
People still have to turn on chat to hear it, which they simply don't.
just another way to harass people.

Pros:
you can talk to people that are super close to you not in your squad. . .

yup, so 1 good thing about it.



Being able to 1 button switch from team to squad chat would be nice

MAG had 256 player battles and proxy chat. What was that about lag again?

Reasons against Proximity chat: way too low of the totem pole of things to add to even care about.
potential lag.
We'd all sound like the TF2 Pyro
Sig radius is measured in Db. As that is the standard abbreviation for Decibels I assume it is based off how much noise you make. As a scout with -125% to signature radius no one would hear me unless I was running and even then few would hear me.
People still have to turn on chat to hear it, which they simply don't.
just another way to harass people.

Pros:
you can talk to people that are super close to you not in your squad. . .

yup, so 1 good thing about it.



Being able to 1 button switch from team to squad chat would be nice

yes we need to be able to switch chat channels on the fly, this would also help to coordinate corp battles, the commander does not need to hear everyone, he only needs to hear his officers/squad leaders, the troops would not hear the commander only they can hear their squad leaders- we need a more structured comms.

Its easymode for those who cant figure out what the enemy is planning so they need to hear them talk about tactics because they are bad players

Proxy chat is a ton of fun. Nothing beats hearing fallen enemies try to put together insults through their tears.

Proxy chat is a ton of fun. Nothing beats hearing fallen enemies try to put together insults through their tears.
It's also good for guiding those pesky blue dots though.

Funny how the biggest complaint is that enemies would be able to hear your tactics. God forbid you have to shut your mouth once in a while

People against proxy are obviously nerds with lisps trying to deny me my fun.

Edit: Maybe if it was push to talk only, I never played Mag so I don't know how it worked there.

The way it worked in MAG was pretty simple. The people in your squad would come through your headset. Just as it is in Dust now. But everyone else would come through your tv (for example, if you're playing Dust with your headset turned off while in a squad of people who are using mics), but only if you were close enough to them.

It works pretty well for a few reasons. First, imagine every time you have a repair tool, start repairing someone, then they run away. You could easily just say "Hey xXsnatchslayer69Xx, let me repair you." xXsnatchslayer69Xx would hear his own name through the tv, even without owning a mic, turn and see you shooting the magic yellow glow in his direction and wait for it. Or vice versa.

It can be applied in dozens of ways (ammo, calling out enemy positions, coordinating through squads, etc., etc.). But the ability to hear your name specifically from a stranger, even who doesn't have a mic, makes them act differently than being totally shut off from each other. It also works wonders since its totally temporary and location specific. It's not like you have this constant chat buzz coming through your screen.

I'm still amazed that proxy chat in FPS hasn't become more of a gold standard.

The way it worked in MAG was pretty simple. The people in your squad would come through your headset. Just as it is in Dust now. But everyone else would come through your tv (for example, if you're playing Dust with your headset turned off while in a squad of people who are using mics), but only if you were close enough to them.

It works pretty well for a few reasons. First, imagine every time you have a repair tool, start repairing someone, then they run away. You could easily just say "Hey xXsnatchslayer69Xx, let me repair you." xXsnatchslayer69Xx would hear his own name through the tv, even without owning a mic, turn and see you shooting the magic yellow glow in his direction and wait for it. Or vice versa.

It can be applied in dozens of ways (ammo, calling out enemy positions, coordinating through squads, etc., etc.). But the ability to hear your name specifically from a stranger, even who doesn't have a mic, makes them act differently than being totally shut off from each other. It also works wonders since its totally temporary and location specific. It's not like you have this constant chat buzz coming through your screen.

I'm still amazed that proxy chat in FPS hasn't become more of a gold standard.

One does not simply yell in ones dropsuit and expect to be heard from the outside... This ain't world war 2 where you yell at people. This is future where you are all on comms all the time. Well coordinated corp will have no isses without proxy chat.

For the record, I'm pretty sure teamchat is on by default, I heard people long before I ever turned on my own mic. So randoms can hear you... they just don't listen to you.

yeah..because blueberrys all turn on team chat before the game starts.

why do they let stupid people on the internet?

So what makes you think someone not on comms would turn on proxy chat then?

Proxy chat is fine... as long as it's entirely optional.

Simple solution, make it mandatory but I'm impartial to proxy chat because despite the "usefulness" of proxy chat it's mainly going to be used for trolling

I'm impartial to proxy chat because despite the "usefulness" of proxy chat it's mainly going to be used for trolling

Firing at someone can't be the default communication method.

Firing at someone can't be the default communication method. Besides being a waste of ammo, it will be viewed as aggressive when FF gets here. Wars between friendlies because some guy wanted a ride? sigh....

I've rarely seen proxy chat used for trolling.

Night at the Roxbury'ing a female model.

I still say that turning voice on by default is much, MUCH more important than prox chat.

And that prox chat doesn't have enough benefits to balance out the additional lag it would cause, and the illogical fact that enemies will be able to hear your encrypted voice transmissions while your acual voice is sealed inside an armoured suit.

If you had the option of an "open channel" broadcast where anyone in range could hear, that might be cool, but it should be something you trigger manually, not an automated system. You should be required to hold a button down to transmit.

Also, because they've already got enough functions to fill up the PS3 controller, we'd either need a rewrite of the control scheme or custom controls that let you drop functions you don't use off the controller (like push to talk).

You guys kill me. Both are important IMO.

For the last GD time: If I can hear bullets whiz past my head and explosions? I can hear a guy 5m away talking. Turn it off on non-air planets for all I care. But as long as I can hear SFX?

I can hear voices.

Don't use the realism card when it doesn't make any sense.

That realism statement is too dumb to warrant a response.

Some of you shoot down useful features witht weighin_g positives/negatives. Keep in mind right now Dust is an average shooter and very bland game. Its calling card is its persistence, depth and connection to EVE.

I'm not a graphics ***** by any means, but its "look" is below average. It NEEDS features that enhance its communication, connects players and make it stand out because of this. On several occasions people have commented that it "looks like a PS2 game."

Right now its also a game almost TOTALLY DEPENDENT on teamwork where players are almost totally cut-off from friendlies. Does that even compute?

This game NEEDS to make communication easy, and probably needs a killer social aspect more than any other in recent memory.

I hope the devs are more open-minded than the naysayers who've never played a game with proximity chat but of course, are certified experts on why it shouldn't be in the game.

For the last GD time: If I can hear bullets whiz past my head and explosions? I can hear a guy 5m away talking. Turn it off on non-air planets for all I care. But as long as I can hear SFX?

I can hear voices.

Guys, guys, guys.
See, sound only works in one direction. It's science. Realism.

You can hear what's going on outside of your helmet, but there's no way your voice could be heard going out.

Realism.

The helmets could have external mics that transfer any outside noise to the wearer....

I honestly don't understand why people are SO adamantly against proxy chat. The realism argument is stupid. (it always is, for anything related to videogames, unless you're playing a simulator)

Proxy chat would:
Make it easier to communicate with someone who isn't in your squad, and perhaps isn't in team chat. Besides, wouldn't it be faster to stand near a guy and talk, vs searching to find whatever channel they're in?

It would also add an element of depth to the game. Spying on opponents. Being able to stealthily get near (within 10m) an enemy and hear what their plans are. Or even just know they are around a corner because they can't shut their mouth. This would also give a little more reason for players to level up their stealth (using profile dampening skills and mods)

For those that say that the spying is a BS mechanic, I'd tell you to just shut your mouth ... problem solved. Or as many Eve guys would say... HTFU.

Regarding the trolling argument as it being the only thing players would do. You can say the same thing about LAVs and even guns. I've seen players purposefully TK others using the "runaway LAV" trick. I've also seen players spend SEVERAL minutes following a guy around just shooting hundreds of rounds into their back... just to be annyoing.

If someone is going to troll, they'll find a way. You cant keep out a useful tool for communication, because someone MIGHT use it to troll.

I honestly don't understand why people are SO adamantly against proxy chat. The realism argument is stupid. (it always is, for anything related to videogames, unless you're playing a simulator)

Proxy chat would:
Make it easier to communicate with someone who isn't in your squad, and perhaps isn't in team chat. Besides, wouldn't it be faster to stand near a guy and talk, vs searching to find whatever channel they're in?

It would also add an element of depth to the game. Spying on opponents. Being able to stealthily get near (within 10m) an enemy and hear what their plans are. Or even just know they are around a corner because they can't shut their mouth. This would also give a little more reason for players to level up their stealth (using profile dampening skills and mods)

For those that say that the spying is a BS mechanic, I'd tell you to just shut your mouth ... problem solved. Or as many Eve guys would say... HTFU.

Regarding the trolling argument as it being the only thing players would do. You can say the same thing about LAVs and even guns. I've seen players purposefully TK others using the "runaway LAV" trick. I've also seen players spend SEVERAL minutes following a guy around just shooting hundreds of rounds into their back... just to be annyoing.

If someone is going to troll, they'll find a way. You cant keep out a useful tool for communication, because someone MIGHT use it to troll.

Right, because everyone takes the game super seriously and is constantly talking about tactics. You're assuming that everything that goes into a mic is valuable information, which makes me assume you've never actually listened to people on teamchat. Go on, the amount of people there bumping country music, or watching a movie, or just saying stupid **** is surprising. because of that, I insist that it should be a push to talk only feature. If that means no spying, then too bad.

I agree with you, 75% of the time you have either idiots jabbering on about crap, or somebody blasting bad music. With proxy chat, it STILL wouldn't affect you. You just walk away so that you are outside of the 5/10/15m (whatever CCP decides)range, and the sound fades and stops.

You haven't really played a game with proxy chat...have you?

In NO way does the inclusion of proxy chat make the current crap that is on team/squad chat any worse.

I keep hearing from all the pro-proxy people that there is no reason not to implement it, but I hear no good reason TO implement it. The "talking to blueberries" argument is flimsy at best considering blueberries all leave their voice chat in the defaulted "off" position, trash talking is just for trolls, and learning the location of enemies that won't shut their mouth is just ridiculous. Are you telling me my advanced technology can't stop my voice from reaching across a vacuum? (Even if there isn't a vacuum I'm still going to stick with my "advanced technology stopping my voice" argument.)

Yeah like Dave said, why would you want any fun in a video game.

This dull trash is just great the way it is.

People like you remind me of children who automaticaly say ''I don't like it'' but have never tried it.

Yeah like Dave said, why would you want any fun in a video game.

This dull trash is just great the way it is.

People like you remind me of children who automaticaly say ''I don't like it'' but have never tried it.

Your argument is fun, yet there's people here telling others to learn to shut their mouth? This does not compute...

Sorry, but there's nothing fun about being forced to sit quietly in my living room just because someone could be listening to my conversations.

Yeah like Dave said, why would you want any fun in a video game.

This dull trash is just great the way it is.

People like you remind me of children who automaticaly say ''I don't like it'' but have never tried it.

Is your "type" paying attention? I've been reading responses to all of the stupid all over this thread but guys aren't getting it. I have to tolerate additions like iron sights with no attachments, FF just to allow spies to TK, weapon damage flattening, etc...but one thing that will help improve gameplay and be useful on the battlefield....half the community shoots down.

I tell you what....download the MAG demo and play a few games and see if proxy chat is harmful in any way. Most of the time, you don't hear people.

Unbelievable...that we have to defend something so fundamental! You mean to tell me that if we're in squad chat...and there's a red dot that just spawned in behind us....that we should stop, press select, go to teamchat and hope that the blue is there just to warn him?? I am no longer underestimating the bluedot stupid

Is your "type" paying attention? I've been reading responses to all of the stupid all over this thread but guys aren't getting it. I have to tolerate additions like iron sights with no attachments, FF just to allow spies to TK, weapon damage flattening, etc...but one thing that will help improve gameplay and be useful on the battlefield....half the community shoots down.

I tell you what....download the MAG demo and play a few games and see if proxy chat is harmful in any way. Most of the time, you don't hear people.

Unbelievable...that we have to defend something so fundamental! You mean to tell me that if we're in squad chat...and there's a red dot that just spawned in behind us....that we should stop, press select, go to teamchat and hope that the blue is there just to warn him?? I am no longer underestimating the bluedot stupid

When you have a response to someone providing logical arguments against prox chat, let me know.

Did you actualy read any of this thread you moron.

When you have anything intelligent to say, let me know.

Where can he find you? In the redline with an LAV and a rep?

Did you actualy read any of this thread you moron.

When you have anything intelligent to say, let me know.