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Kushmir Nadian
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Posted - 2013.03.18 15:44:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:"Finally?" All those who spoke against proxy chat were idiots....there is no downside to having proxy chat. Pepople being antagonistic for the sake of being antagonistic Downside Everyone can hear everything including tactics and moaning Its easymode for those who cant figure out what the enemy is planning so they need to hear them talk about tactics because they are bad players Im wearing a helmet so no one can hear me Deal with it
There's no downside. Turn down SFX on your menu options...or keep it low by default and make those who favor Proximity turn it up.
Don't want people to hear your tactics? STFU talking in areas where the bad guys are. SOLVED.
EZ Mode? That might be the dumbest comment i've seen on the forums in...well, FOREVER. Good players use every advantage. Especially intel from you guys who don't know how to shut your trap.
That's funny...I sure can hear explosions and gunfire just fine. So only voice soundwaves don't travel? Those are some interesting physics we have here in New Eden. |
Kushmir Nadian
Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.03.18 16:10:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Kushmir Nadian wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:"Finally?" All those who spoke against proxy chat were idiots....there is no downside to having proxy chat. Pepople being antagonistic for the sake of being antagonistic Downside Everyone can hear everything including tactics and moaning Its easymode for those who cant figure out what the enemy is planning so they need to hear them talk about tactics because they are bad players Im wearing a helmet so no one can hear me Deal with it There's no downside. Turn down voicechat on your menu options...or keep it low by default and make those who favor Proximity turn it up. Don't want people to hear your tactics? STFU talking in areas where the bad guys are. SOLVED. EZ Mode? That might be the dumbest comment i've seen on the forums in...well, FOREVER. Good players use every advantage. Especially intel from you guys who don't know how to shut your trap. That's funny...I sure can hear explosions and gunfire just fine. So only voice soundwaves don't travel? Those are some interesting physics we have here in New Eden. Want intel in EVE? get a spy in the corp and chat channels and work for it Want intel in DUST? ask for a scrub mechanic which offers nothing to the game or gameplay If you cant cope now without proxy maybe you should quit
Oh of course, because proximity chat such as "scrub mechanic"....not to mention all the "scrubs" saying it makes the game better. Then again...
Maybe you're confusing it with kill-streaks, low level caps, aim assist, OHK weapons and low health.
Maybe you....should take your own advice. |
Kushmir Nadian
Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.03.18 16:36:00 -
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I dont teabag or trash talk.
But I do listen for instances when the Dust 514 equivalent of three stooges try to stealth flank my position but don't have the common sense to STFU while doing it.
Then there's the instances you can warn blue-dots, ask for a ride, ammo, ask someone to cover the other door, tell a pilot to take you to A, or ask someone to watch your back while you hack....
But not like any of those things important or anything........(eyeroll) |
Kushmir Nadian
Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.03.19 15:31:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Prius Vecht wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Or just use team chat... yeah..because blueberrys all turn on team chat before the game starts. why do they let stupid people on the internet? So what makes you think someone not on comms would turn on proxy chat then? Proxy chat is fine... as long as it's entirely optional. Simple solution, make it mandatory but I'm impartial to proxy chat because despite the "usefulness" of proxy chat it's mainly going to be used for trolling
It really depends on the player. i never thought of anything witty enough so I usually kept my mouth shut.
Its super effective for communicating with other squads/players in a tight area tho.
Firing at someone can't be the default communication method. Besides being a waste of ammo, it will be viewed as aggressive when FF gets here. Wars between friendlies because some guy wanted a ride? sigh.... |
Kushmir Nadian
Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.03.19 16:45:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Nemo Bluntz wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:I'm impartial to proxy chat because despite the "usefulness" of proxy chat it's mainly going to be used for trolling I've rarely seen proxy chat used for trolling. Night at the Roxbury'ing a female model. I still say that turning voice on by default is much, MUCH more important than prox chat. And that prox chat doesn't have enough benefits to balance out the additional lag it would cause, and the illogical fact that enemies will be able to hear your encrypted voice transmissions while your acual voice is sealed inside an armoured suit. If you had the option of an "open channel" broadcast where anyone in range could hear, that might be cool, but it should be something you trigger manually, not an automated system. You should be required to hold a button down to transmit. Also, because they've already got enough functions to fill up the PS3 controller, we'd either need a rewrite of the control scheme or custom controls that let you drop functions you don't use off the controller (like push to talk).
You guys kill me. Both are important IMO.
For the last GD time: If I can hear bullets whiz past my head and explosions? I can hear a guy 5m away talking. Turn it off on non-air planets for all I care. But as long as I can hear SFX?
I can hear voices. |
Kushmir Nadian
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Posted - 2013.03.19 17:20:00 -
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That realism statement is too dumb to warrant a response.
Some of you shoot down useful features without weighing positives/negatives. Keep in mind right now Dust is an average shooter and very bland game. Its calling card is its persistence, depth and connection to EVE.
I'm not a graphics ***** by any means, but its "look" is below average. It NEEDS features that enhance its communication, connects players and make it stand out because of this. On several occasions people have commented that it "looks like a PS2 game."
Right now its also a game almost TOTALLY DEPENDENT on teamwork where players are almost totally cut-off from friendlies. Does that even compute?
This game NEEDS to make communication easy, and probably needs a killer social aspect more than any other in recent memory.
I hope the devs are more open-minded than the naysayers who've never played a game with proximity chat but of course, are certified experts on why it shouldn't be in the game. |
Kushmir Nadian
Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.03.19 18:01:00 -
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Fargen Icehole wrote:I honestly don't understand why people are SO adamantly against proxy chat. The realism argument is stupid. (it always is, for anything related to videogames, unless you're playing a simulator)
Proxy chat would: Make it easier to communicate with someone who isn't in your squad, and perhaps isn't in team chat. Besides, wouldn't it be faster to stand near a guy and talk, vs searching to find whatever channel they're in?
It would also add an element of depth to the game. Spying on opponents. Being able to stealthily get near (within 10m) an enemy and hear what their plans are. Or even just know they are around a corner because they can't shut their mouth. This would also give a little more reason for players to level up their stealth (using profile dampening skills and mods)
For those that say that the spying is a BS mechanic, I'd tell you to just shut your mouth ... problem solved. Or as many Eve guys would say... HTFU.
Regarding the trolling argument as it being the only thing players would do. You can say the same thing about LAVs and even guns. I've seen players purposefully TK others using the "runaway LAV" trick. I've also seen players spend SEVERAL minutes following a guy around just shooting hundreds of rounds into their back... just to be annyoing.
If someone is going to troll, they'll find a way. You cant keep out a useful tool for communication, because someone MIGHT use it to troll.
No, sorry. I'd rather scroll through channels until I find which one the other person is in. That makes much more sense...
"Guess the chat channel" is always fun. Hopefully those people shooting at me will understand. Its not like I have anything better to do.
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