What did i do :(

That cant be right, if we (PFBHz) were to attack unreal, they would undoubtedly just give up the territory in their infamous tactic of dodging.

I'm not sure if I misread this but is MCC destruction not a district capture condition for the attackers? Only clone depletion?

Not sure I like district capture based around TDM, it should be an objective based capture as well...

This thread made me lol with all the insertions of corpmates. But the point is valid; holy ISK sinks!

Nice post Beers. +1. Would like to have seen corp A and Corp B. But you make valid constructive points.

PFBHz now controls the district. It took 4 days and a cost of 89.3 million isk. while unreal lost quiet a bit more and the district. It will take PFBHz ~ 15 days to recoup its losses from the district if no one attacks it.

I wanna look at this for a bit.

After your battle, PFBHz was left with 250 clones. Let's say they leave it in the 60 clones per day district so as to max that out faster and start moving it into the 40 clones a day district. After day 1, the 60 clones per day would be maxed and the 40 clones per day would have a total of 50 clones, (10 were transferred from the overflow of day 1.) At 100 clones per day total, it's a simple 4 day jaunt until both are maxed out and profit starts rolling in. Then it would be 9 days at 10 mil a day to recoup battle losses.

So it would be a 13 day turnaround.

The rest looks good though.

This is approx how I was thinking about it. There's also what's going on overhead - if we're taking these districts for our own interests then maybe orbital support is throwing us a freebie, otherwise we're prolly paying something significant for it.

Beers' analysis is essentially the game for now - there will be variations on this - raider corps, disposable minimum investment territory, feints, etc., the economics of which we will have to plow through.

No MCC cost right now, but also no EVE Bonus stated yet. Would make the cost of district ownership lower if it was also attractive to an EVE entity - this is prolly the long term economics of the thing. We give them enough districts to get their bonuses, we get cheaper districts ourselves.

Question is, who gets the exposed buffer districts and who gets the cozy middle district?

Based on the example above lets assume that unreal purchased a cargo hub instead, thus increasing its total clones to 450.

If unreal defends with only 100 clones in the first 4 matches and loses they still force PFBHz to attack 5 times in a row. If we assume that 5 days in battles costs PFBH a total of 160 million isk. This is 32 million a match and more then resonable even in victory.

PFBHz will need ~ 40 days to make up the cost of taking the district.

Moral of story is buy the cargo hub and make it a finacial deterent to attack your district.

This is step one of the Blue Donut of Beers

What?

It has nothing to do with the close PFBHz have left. It has to do with total loss of isk incurred while taking the district. Once PFBHz has control of the district it produces 60 clones a day because it has a production facility which generates 50% more clones. The basic clone generation rate is 40 der day or 4 million isk.

This district generates 60 clones a day or 6 million into 89.3 million is ~14 days.

Even though its negligible if you are on the same planet as a district you want to control there is still a 500K ISK cost to transport your troops into the neighboring district each go.

There is also the attrition cost for travel beyond the planet and the travel cost also rise with obviously cuts into the profit. In your scenario its only an additional 500K ISK/per attack so if it take 5 attacks thats an additional 2.5 Million added to the books and thats just to attack a district thats on the same planet

Districts within the same solar system is 1M ISK travel cost per attack cycle and unless coming from a district with a research lab thats a 5% loss on clones which is 100K/clone loss per attack cylce.

I'll reread but im not sure if that was factored into the attack cost.

So if a corp is smart enough to the right solar system or at the least the right mix of small district planets it will become extremely unviable economically to attack them.

circle gets the square.

Total loss is 37.2

PFBHz is rewarded with 20% ~7.4 million in loot

Even though its negligible if you are on the same planet as a district you want to control there is still a 500K ISK cost to transport your troops into the neighboring district each go.

There is also the attrition cost for travel beyond the planet and the travel cost also rise with obviously cuts into the profit. In your scenario its only an additional 500K ISK/per attack so if it take 5 attacks thats an additional 2.5 Million added to the books and thats just to attack a district thats on the same planet

Districts within the same solar system is 1M ISK travel cost per attack cycle and unless coming from a district with a research lab thats a 5% loss on clones which is 100K/clone loss per attack cylce.

I'll reread but im not sure if that was factored into the attack cost.

So if a corp is smart enough to the right solar system or at the least the right mix of small district planets it will become extremely unviable economically to attack them.

circle gets the square.