Remove free AV options , I hate to see the whole team switch out to deny me movement 2mil SP>0 SP

MLT tanks take 0 SP to get in. so there 0 SP= 0 SP.

Remove free AV options , I hate to see the whole team switch out to deny me movement 2mil SP>0 SP

But advanced require at least 2mil SP so by your logic 2mil+=2mil+

Fact is milita is ther because the scrubs cried for it, they were unwilling to work as a team, HAVs got big nerfs to every part of the tank and AV got buffed so now everyone can have a milita AV fit and solo an advanced tank if they wish

Dude wtf are you high on 1 guy with a free LAV can crash into tanks and deal 2000 damage in this case my tank will go boom in 5 , absolutely free LAV that everyone can call in.

Dude wtf are you high on 1 guy with a free LAV can crash into tanks and deal 2000 damage in this case my tank will go boom in 5 , absolutely free LAV that everyone can call in.

agree , make AV AUR ONLY

remove snipers aswell if u at it and heavy's

also i would like you to remove dropships

add bikes pls and remove red zone aswell

also remove pistols , i hate them

Personally I would be happy with just making Logi's non-combatants just let us wander the battlefield peacefully reviving any and all and ensuring everyone has plenty of bullets to satisfy every good Logi's deepseated OCD.

Edit also apologies for double post.

uhm... WHAT!? a freebie fit will barely put a dent in any non-militia tank solo. and advanced tank is practically immortal in pubmatches.

Tell that to the numerous tanks i have soloed with ease

Tell that to the numerous tanks i have soloed with ease

People just troll threads and don't see the point:
(Only using militia gear)
How easy is it to kill a 'tard in a proto suit? Hard
How easy is it to kill a 'tard in a proto tank with a big glowing neon target on it? Easy

AV infantry should deal less damage , if you really want to deal with a tank you should get one too (there are militia tanks)

People just troll threads and don't see the point:
(Only using militia gear)
How easy is it to kill a 'tard in a proto suit? Hard
How easy is it to kill a 'tard in a proto tank with a big glowing neon target on it? Easy

AV infantry should deal less damage , if you really want to deal with a tank you should get one too (there are militia tanks)

Do EVE players cry this much on their boards or is this just Dust exclusive?

Does EVE players get their Dreadnoughts destroyed by rookie ships due to rookie ships having civillian guns that deal more damage than a meta 4 railgun?

I don't think so.
Scrub.

Wait where are these magic high damage free milita fitting guns you speak of the ones I see are a bit pants also I am saddened to note my request for footage of these AV swarms and solo AV rambo's appear to have been ignored please could you rectify this it would strengthen your argument considerably.

remove free vehicles.

So you have solo'd many adv tanks with only milita AV fittings no help from anyone else obviously otherwise its not exactly solo. I am impressed sir you must be a very good player to casually off adv tanks on your own would you mind showing me a video of this amazing achievement so I may attempt to emulate your greatness?

Does EVE players get their Dreadnoughts destroyed by rookie ships due to rookie ships having civillian guns that deal more damage than a meta 4 railgun?

I don't think so.
Scrub.

Here your wish has been fullfilled. youtube.com/watch?v=2KNSdD8PYgY&feature=plcp
Btw know that tank costs around 1.5+mil ISK those guys are running MLT fits so he could kill them all day long without them ever losing a penny, kills don't matter , money does.

Edit:Beld Ermon STFU and keep driving your pubstomper , I use my tank to help my team out thus get it blown up.

And just to elaborate on my previous post about proto av stuff Mr.Gusk. the point is, you going to sit here and whine about getting owned by cheap av stuff, and your STILL going to be here whining when you lose your 1.5 mil tank to a 25-50k isk av nade...because like most other whiners on here, nothing ccp does for YOU will ever be enough. They will remove free av options, and you will cry that ex 11s wirykomi and lai dais are OP.

So far CCP have listened to the whiners and made tanks super weak and easy to destroy while buffing AV

Watch the video the other guy posted that tank stood up to allot of abuse infact go on youtube type in dust 514 tank and I bet you there are an awful lot more videos of guys in HAV's getting huge killstreaks than there are of lone AV rambo's getting tank kills or even just less tank destruction at all really.

And just to elaborate on my previous post about proto av stuff Mr.Gusk. the point is, you going to sit here and whine about getting owned by cheap av stuff, and your STILL going to be here whining when you lose your 1.5 mil tank to a 25-50k isk av nade...because like most other whiners on here, nothing ccp does for YOU will ever be enough. They will remove free av options, and you will cry that ex 11s wirykomi and lai dais are OP.

That will not happen if someone spends time and money to get them i will not hate on them:D

BTW tanks have been nerfed more than your puny Dropsuits ever did so it's people like you who whine about not being able to fit proper AV did this to tanks.

Edit:Beld Ermon STFU and keep driving your pubstomper , I use my tank to help my team out thus get it blown up.

You cannot ignore that tanks are weaker than previous builds and that AV got more buffs in the last builds, the whole balance is out of whack

You cannot ignore that tanks are weaker than previous builds and that AV got more buffs in the last builds, the whole balance is out of whack

and in previous builds, tanks were basically god-mode. you got used to that, and now that the other guys stand a chance you don't wanna play anymore.

Used to be god mode

Now the turrets got nerfed, mods removed, the tanks themselves got changed, even tank battles are barely 10sec long and AV is just too easy for no SP or ISK investment while being powerful or more powerful than a vehicle mounted turret and sticky AV nades so that you never miss and missiles that bend around your cover still (not as much but they still do)

When the tanks used to be god mode it did require a 4man advanced AV team to take out the advanced tank, problem was no one wanted to skill up AV and work together instead they wanted to fire an AR and kill it that way

Now you can take out an advanced tank with 2 ppl or 1 if you really know what your doing, this build it has never been easier to kill a tank

That will not happen if someone spends time and money to get them i will not hate on them:D

BTW tanks have been nerfed more than your puny Dropsuits ever did so it's people like you who whine about not being able to fit proper AV did this to tanks.

I agree tanks are weaker than before and AV got a buff but not to the point where you bring out a tank and one random merc in a starter fit will destroy it everytime before it so much as twitches most tanks fall to teamwork which of course is also free but you cant nerf that.

Yes tanks are expensive so yes its high risk but if you play well with it have the proper support and aren't unlucky enough to run into a whole squad of proto AVers it is also high reward same as all other methods.

High level heavies High risk but if done well and well supported can be high reward.

High level logi's same as above

High level Assault same as above

High level snipers well lets ignore those for now.

But my point is valid High reward needs to be balanced with high risk yes tanks have the highest risk due to pricing (maybe baring dropships not sure on vehicle prices.) but they also have the highest reward as a good tank is anti-infantry, anti-LAV, and can even stand up to other tanks and instalations.

What would you like 1 guy on opposite team brings out a HAV and all players on other team must go proto AV to stand a chance against it? Its balanced now very rarely will a tank fall to less than a squad (barring idiocy on part of driver or RDV.)

and yet if you have a tank driver who has even the most remote idea of what he/she is doing, that one person will be effectively shut down through cover or simply being killed over and over. I'm not even counting the gunners in this scenario, they could be bluedots trying to figure out why they aren't driving for all it matters here.

But advanced require at least 2mil SP so by your logic 2mil+=2mil+

Fact is milita is ther because the scrubs cried for it, they were unwilling to work as a team, HAVs got big nerfs to every part of the tank and AV got buffed so now everyone can have a milita AV fit and solo an advanced tank if they wish

You can get shutdown in cover by one person, ive done it pin em down then call in an OB to do the job

OMG you must suck because nobody i know can use a starter AV and solo an advanced tank if the tank pilot is halfway competent. That said yes there have been a number a games where ive seen a tank come in and my idiot bluedot teammates all run and hide like a scared kitty and become utterly useless and cannon fodder.

I mean if these bluedots had half a brain 8, hell all 16 of us would go starter AV and blow the kitten out of any tank. I would love to see a tank just get zerged on by an entire teams barrage of swarm launcher because i dont think anything could survive that and it would be utterly hilarious.

Unfortunately, well they're bluedots, am I right?

Ridiculous requests.

Tbqh, if you call a tank in a public game, it should not last to the end. "but I'm a tanker" isn't a good enough excuse. It's like saying "I'm a Titan pilot, and struggle for ISK when I lose one"
Before you call a HAV, just remember that guns from space will probably kill you anyway.
And you deserve it for being a tankscrub trollolol

One militia forge with 2 complex damage mods sniping from a mountain behind the redline , it's too underpowered CCP
We should definately nerf tanks even more...

P.S. a single forge gunner can charge pop out and shoot you while he hides behind a rock that you can't go around because your tank won't fit , there solo tank kill.

ITT Tank driver doesn't know what cover is and wants his I win button to push itself

Crying over militia gear? For shame, for shaaame.

One militia forge with 2 complex damage mods sniping from a mountain behind the redline , it's too underpowered CCP
We should definately nerf tanks even more...

P.S. a single forge gunner can charge pop out and shoot you while he hides behind a rock that you can't go around because your tank won't fit , there solo tank kill.

Its not high reward at all

4mil+ SP to get into the advanced tank for a slight increase in shield/armor with the overall fit costing 2mil

Its all risk no reward

With all the suits you have mentioned it doesnt matter, they can swap out at a supply depot and be fine, low on armor no logi but supply depot ther swap suits

With proper tank support i prob need 2 snipers to kill the swarms/FG coming from the mountain top which only a railgun can reach but even then doesnt mean i will get a kill at all since i need a direct hit since splash got nerfed with it or have to avoid infantry because a few carry AV nades which do what 1000 damage per nade and home in on the tank so it never misses

If i bring out any tank thats it im with it until it gets destroyed or game is over, i dont have a garage to change fits to fight that railgun in the redline or the AV out of reach of my blaster

ITT Tank driver doesn't know what cover is and wants his I win button to push itself

Crying over militia gear? For shame, for shaaame.

Ive done it against other HAV drivers, its really not that hard

AV is ******* easy and if you have a problem with it then you suck

Cover?

Throw homng nades over his cover = win

Jump while locking on with swarms = win

Jump when charging/firing forge gun = win

Use an OB = insta win

Jump when charging/firing forge gun = win

You know what an I win button is : proto suits scrub
If tanks are any weaker they'll get destroyed by ARs which I'm sure is what you want.

[quote=Takahiro Kashuken]

It is high reward again you only mention the costs but not the massive amounts of kills and vehicle kill assists you get with the tank.

2 snipers to kill FG's and swarms from behind redline, Well if entire enemy team is behind redline tanks are a silly idea if its only a few hiding in redline reposition and hammer those who aren't.

Avoid infantry, well if you are a HAV driver who avoids infantry what do you do just go on nice scenic drives?

Needing to change fits to fight out of map railguns 1 avoid their LOS rarely does a railgun off map have excellent view of entire map. Deal with AV out of reach of your tank simple answer close distance if theres only 1-2 and if possible if its not what is the rest of your team doing I am sure these battles are 16v16 not 16vHAV.

Remove free AV options , I hate to see the whole team switch out to deny me movement 2mil SP>0 SP

One militia forge with 2 complex damage mods sniping from a mountain behind the redline , it's too underpowered CCP
We should definately nerf tanks even more...

P.S. a single forge gunner can charge pop out and shoot you while he hides behind a rock that you can't go around because your tank won't fit , there solo tank kill.

Play with a squad....call out enemy AV, profit? And OBs can be tanked through with good tanks, I've watched it plenty of times. If you die to an OB in your tank without being hit by AV at the same time, you have a bad tank fit, period. Believe it or not, tanks are very fast (granted armor tanks take a bit of winding up to get moving) but it's your job to reposition and fall back to better cover as your support infantry takes out the AV guys that can't shoot back.

Some people man


LMFAO HAHAHAHAHA Omfg I'm having trouble breathing...hahaha, someone doesn't know what they're talking about hahahhahahaha ::cough cough wheeeeeze::

Never said anything about a redline

Yea sometimes i do have to avoid infantry, AV nades can make mincemeat out of a tank escp with homing crutch so they never miss

You never have fought against a railgun tank then and half the time in pub games never rely on blue dots to do anything worthwhile, it is 16vs the HAV

Its not high reward at all

4mil+ SP to get into the advanced tank for a slight increase in shield/armor with the overall fit costing 2mil

Its all risk no reward

With all the suits you have mentioned it doesnt matter, they can swap out at a supply depot and be fine, low on armor no logi but supply depot ther swap suits

With proper tank support i prob need 2 snipers to kill the swarms/FG coming from the mountain top which only a railgun can reach but even then doesnt mean i will get a kill at all since i need a direct hit since splash got nerfed with it or have to avoid infantry because a few carry AV nades which do what 1000 damage per nade and home in on the tank so it never misses

If i bring out any tank thats it im with it until it gets destroyed or game is over, i dont have a garage to change fits to fight that railgun in the redline or the AV out of reach of my blaster

You didnt know you could jump with a FG? its easy to do ive been doing it for a while now

I know you can jump, but so long as the tank isn't trying to hide behind a phone book for cover, it's not going to make much difference

You can jump and shoot a FG after its charged, GTFO.

Your point though? You can jump, what, 4 inches? It's not even a bunny hop, it's more like a crippled kid bouncing off the ground after faceplanting more than anything else.

This is seriously your guys argument? A FG user can get 4 inches up to clear all kinds of cover and kill a tank?

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

Please use tanks Even if they are militia get 20 kills in game and let me know who you went up aganist.

Currently AV deals more damage to tanks than a Tank Vs Tank battle I only want a slight balance (not nerf)

Please use tanks Even if they are militia get 20 kills in game and let me know who you went up aganist.

Currently AV deals more damage to tanks than a Tank Vs Tank battle I only want a slight balance (not nerf)

You may have more luck if you adress other people point of views instead of ignoring them or just saying they are wrong.

I know you didn't do that in that post but you and Takahiro have been combative over this.

Does AV really do more damage to a tank than say a railgun tank?

Also AV is specialised so it has to be useful against vehicles because its not useful against anything else AVnades and swarms are useless against anything other than vehicles and FG aren't exactly the most efficient anti-infantry weapons around. Take away AV usefullness against vehicles and its as useful as a chocolate kettle.

It isnt about how high you can jump, its about how you use it

Please, enlighten us.

Especially considering only noob Forge Gunners will use the standard variant over the Assault, where timing a 4 inch jump along with your charge would qualify as skill (wasted skill, but skill), and the Breach doesn't allow you to move while charging.

It just seems like you two are grasping at straws and nothing more

Ok I'll try to explain my point in a better way now.

AV starter fits have no ISK or SP requirements so they can be spammed until the said vehicle (not just tanks) blows up.
Militia vehicles however still cost shi*tons of ISK and isn't the easiest vehicle to drive too

Ok I'll try to explain my point in a better way now.

AV starter fits have no ISK or SP requirements so they can be spammed until the said vehicle (not just tanks) blows up.
Militia vehicles however still cost shi*tons of ISK and isn't the easiest vehicle to drive too

EDIT:I don't drive militia HAVs.

You can move when charging the breach, it does allow you jump last time i remember even tho it says you cant move

Enlighten yourself for once, i find it useful tough **** if you dont

Or you could, play with a squad, and solve all your problems. At least tanks aren't like dropships, and require you to be bad or your opponent to be good in order to kill. If you run resistance and reps, you aren't going to die to militia stuff unless the majority of the enemy team goes AV (fall back, let your squad clean up the AV nubs).

I just don't see how you're failing this hard



I don't actually believe you, but I'll test it tonight for haha's. We do however come full circle. How on earth is this even relevant to the discussion?

About the point you made there....
YES they should pay for that , you know what in the near future (very near) we need to get rid of starter fits
No no no don't get me wrong most starter fits will only cost 3000 ISK that's like nothing , but it will stop people from zerg rushing others (remember when grenades had 2 sec fuse and everyone was suicide bombing?)

3000 ISK MAN! DAFUQ YOU BROKE?

Here.
Average ammount of Isk earned per match:100.000ISK
Average ammount of deaths per match:10=30.000
So you'll get 70.000 ISK that match if you totally got stomped and killed 10 times.

Also Dust isn't a shooter that you are used to it doesn't hold your hand the entire time HTFU.

I just don't get why you feel like you should be able to call in a tank, in any match, under any situation. They aren't always going to be good. Sometimes the enemy team has a lot of AV guys, or better coordination, or the map doesn't provide enough cover, or there are easy places to sit and camp with a FG, etc etc.

What you seem to be missing is that this is a team game first and foremost, and just by forcing the enemy to switch to AV, you've buffed your team by making it easier for your infantry to pick off their AV. Swarms also do bonus damage to armor, so make sure you're running at least two 25% resists at all times.

Finally someone who isn't trolling

Oh ok I keep checking the map , players , routes and all plus I run 30% resists too
It just isn't me blowing up lol it's people zerg rushing because they have no sense of loss
0 isk blows up mil ISK which ruins escalation and the very core of Eve and Dust :
Risk and Economy.

Finally someone who isn't trolling

Oh ok I keep checking the map , players , routes and all plus I run 30% resists too
It just isn't me blowing up lol it's people zerg rushing because they have no sense of loss
0 isk blows up mil ISK which ruins escalation and the very core of Eve and Dust :
Risk and Economy.

Tanks are difficult to balance. Right now, it's about as close as it's been since beta started. There was a point where you could practically AFK farm in a tank.....

But 0isk only blows up that expensive tank with coordination or luck, usually both. The only way I could ever even remotely get behind removing free AV options is if Tanks and Dropships couldn't be called into pub matches. If that were the case, sure. Otherwise, people are too stupid to not have an option to deal with tanks.

Also, anyone who knows what they're doing will quickly spec out of free gear, because it's horrible, and gets you killed more than anything else.

Tanks are difficult to balance. Right now, it's about as close as it's been since beta started. There was a point where you could practically AFK farm in a tank.....

guess what, a guy running full proto gear can be killed by a coordinated team effort by newbs in militia fit suits... does that mean that the basics should be removed from the game as well? a single full-proto loss puts a game in the red. not to mention that somebody did the math and a fully specced out infantry unit costs 11 MILLION more SP than your little tanks. so keep crying easymoder. the tears in your eyes will keep you from seeing the swarms and forge gunners until .

Still I think infantry should get a tinyy damage reduction 1500 damage with 20%resists is way too much for free gear and as I have stated before infantry deals more damage to vehicles than vehicle VS vehicle which is ABSOLUTELY BULLSH**

rotfl...this whole thread slays me. militia swarm = tank acupuncture.

Uses shield tanks
Knows nothing.

so because he uses the kind of tank that has a natural resistance to the militia swarms he knows nothing? so it really is just you wanting to roflstomp pubs.

Uses shield tanks
Knows nothing.

3000 ISK MAN! DAFUQ YOU BROKE?

Here.
Average ammount of Isk earned per match:100.000ISK
Average ammount of deaths per match:10=30.000
So you'll get 70.000 ISK that match if you totally got stomped and killed 10 times.

Also Dust isn't a shooter that you are used to it doesn't hold your hand the entire time HTFU.

Now how does that mean I want PUBStomp?
Teenager detected.

i've never used a tank i prefer to get around on my own two legs for the next few months while my skills fill out.

Ok please don't troll me for a reasonable post here it comes.

I run armor tank (Madrugars and Suryas) and my problem with AV is the fact that even militia swarms deals 1500 damage to armor , resists and reps running and all but when the first swarms are in the air the rest follows
I back off , but to my surprise the swarms follow me behind curves and rocks , a lot of them too.

Right now any nublet can banish any vehicle on demand ;swap to free AV en masse fire once and with that many people firing at the same time , I think it's new year or something, Dust is very unfriendly to vehicles some times
(In some cases where we pubstomp I park my tank near the base CRU and wait there so it's not like I want an I win button)

Tank=\=HAV
Tanking generally refers to having a high buffer and rep rate.
HAV is the vehicle.