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Gusk Hevv wrote:

DUST Fiend wrote:

Gusk Hevv wrote:

Finally someone who isn't trolling

Oh ok I keep checking the map , players , routes and all plus I run 30% resists too
It just isn't me blowing up lol it's people zerg rushing because they have no sense of loss
0 isk blows up mil ISK which ruins escalation and the very core of Eve and Dust :
Risk and Economy.

But 0isk only blows up that expensive tank with coordination or luck, usually both. The only way I could ever even remotely get behind removing free AV options is if Tanks and Dropships couldn't be called into pub matches. If that were the case, sure. Otherwise, people are too stupid to not have an option to deal with tanks.

Also, anyone who knows what they're doing will quickly spec out of free gear, because it's horrible, and gets you killed more than anything else.

Tanks are difficult to balance. Right now, it's about as close as it's been since beta started. There was a point where you could practically AFK farm in a tank.....

Still I think infantry should get a tinyy damage reduction 1500 damage with 20%resists is way too much for free gear and as I have stated before infantry deals more damage to vehicles than vehicle VS vehicle which is ABSOLUTELY BULLSH**

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Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2013.03.14 16:05:00 - [91] - Quote Gusk Hevv wrote: Ok I'll try to explain my point in a better way now. AV starter fits have no ISK or SP requirements so they can be spammed until the said vehicle (not just tanks) blows up. Militia vehicles however still cost shi*tons of ISK and isn't the easiest vehicle to drive too Counter point: the free av fit sucks hard(half ammo, loses a module to the militia gear's requirements for pg/cpu, and carries no equipment), and has borderline no ability to fight infantry(they have 2 grenades and the militia pistol. which is deadly in the right hands, but I've seen the people who play this game) anyone being killed by one is either a horrible driver, an LAV or both.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 2033	Posted - 2013.03.14 16:05:00 - [92] - Quote Gusk Hevv wrote: Ok I'll try to explain my point in a better way now. AV starter fits have no ISK or SP requirements so they can be spammed until the said vehicle (not just tanks) blows up. Militia vehicles however still cost shitons of ISK and isn't the easiest vehicle to drive too EDIT:I don't drive militia HAVs. Or you could, play with a squad, and solve all your problems. At least tanks aren't like dropships, and require you to be bad or your opponent to be good in order to kill. If you run resistance and reps, you aren't going to die to militia stuff unless the majority of the enemy team goes AV (fall back, let your squad clean up the AV nubs). I just don't see how you're failing this hard Takahiro Kashuken wrote:* You can move when charging the breach, it does allow you jump last time i remember even tho it says you cant move Enlighten yourself for once, i find it useful tough **** if you dont I don't actually believe you, but I'll test it tonight for haha's. We do however come full circle. How on earth is this even relevant to the discussion?
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 141	Posted - 2013.03.14 16:15:00 - [93] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Gusk Hevv wrote: Ok I'll try to explain my point in a better way now. AV starter fits have no ISK or SP requirements so they can be spammed until the said vehicle (not just tanks) blows up. Militia vehicles however still cost shitons of ISK and isn't the easiest vehicle to drive too EDIT:I don't drive militia HAVs. Or you could, play with a squad, and solve all your problems. At least tanks aren't like dropships, and require you to be bad or your opponent to be good in order to kill. If you run resistance and reps, you aren't going to die to militia stuff unless the majority of the enemy team goes AV (fall back, let your squad clean up the AV nubs). I just don't see how you're failing this hard Takahiro Kashuken wrote:* You can move when charging the breach, it does allow you jump last time i remember even tho it says you cant move Enlighten yourself for once, i find it useful tough **** if you dont I don't actually believe you, but I'll test it tonight for haha's. We do however come full circle. How on earth is this even relevant to the discussion? With milita stuff im speaking from experience when i hunt tanks, i mostly die to OB when im not moving and cold or the odd tank, AV doesnt tend to get me that much anymore and ive stopped running shield since its like glass Hell if i know Most tank thread i end up i end up dragging it around in all directions For me its never as simple as one thing, its lots of little things which lead the unbalancing of something which then effects something else in the grand scheme of it all which then starts something else
Gusk Hevv Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 23	Posted - 2013.03.14 16:15:00 - [94] - Quote Ok please don't troll me for a reasonable post here it comes. I run armor tank (Madrugars and Suryas) and my problem with AV is the fact that even militia swarms deals 1500 damage to armor , resists and reps running and all but when the first swarms are in the air the rest follows I back off , but to my surprise the swarms follow me behind curves and rocks , a lot of them too. Right now any nublet can banish any vehicle on demand ;swap to free AV en masse fire once and with that many people firing at the same time , I think it's new year or something, Dust is very unfriendly to vehicles some times (In some cases where we pubstomp I park my tank near the base CRU and wait there so it's not like I want an I win button)
Kas Croixe Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 20	Posted - 2013.03.14 16:22:00 - [95] - Quote the way you've been talking you do want an I WIN button. you want to remove ANY capability for the opposing team to fight back, or FORCE people to always pay out for an AV kit, and skill into it, just on the off chance that the enemy will field something. I say you should get better at the game and learn to use the swarm missile's tracking against them(lead them into rocks/ buildings/ small hills.
Gusk Hevv Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 23	Posted - 2013.03.14 16:28:00 - [96] - Quote About the point you made there.... YES they should pay for that , you know what in the near future (very near) we need to get rid of starter fits No no no don't get me wrong most starter fits will only cost 3000 ISK that's like nothing , but it will stop people from zerg rushing others (remember when grenades had 2 sec fuse and everyone was suicide bombing?)
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2013.03.14 16:31:00 - [97] - Quote Gusk Hevv wrote: About the point you made there.... YES they should pay for that , you know what in the near future (very near) we need to get rid of starter fits No no no don't get me wrong most starter fits will only cost 3000 ISK that's like nothing , but it will stop people from zerg rushing others (remember when grenades had 2 sec fuse and everyone was suicide bombing?) and when the newbs run out of suits and quit the game, then what? this game is a harsh enough start already without some angry qqtanker trying to make everyone's life(except his own) harder
Gusk Hevv Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 23	Posted - 2013.03.14 16:37:00 - [98] - Quote 3000 ISK MAN! DAFUQ YOU BROKE? Here. Average ammount of Isk earned per match:100.000ISK Average ammount of deaths per match:10=30.000 So you'll get 70.000 ISK that match if you totally got stomped and killed 10 times. Also Dust isn't a shooter that you are used to it doesn't hold your hand the entire time HTFU.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 2035	Posted - 2013.03.14 16:40:00 - [99] - Quote I just don't get why you feel like you should be able to call in a tank, in any match, under any situation. They aren't always going to be good. Sometimes the enemy team has a lot of AV guys, or better coordination, or the map doesn't provide enough cover, or there are easy places to sit and camp with a FG, etc etc. What you seem to be missing is that this is a team game first and foremost, and just by forcing the enemy to switch to AV, you've buffed your team by making it easier for your infantry to pick off their AV. Swarms also do bonus damage to armor, so make sure you're running at least two 25% resists at all times.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 26	Posted - 2013.03.14 16:42:00 - [100] - Quote Gusk Hevv wrote: 3000 ISK MAN! DAFUQ YOU BROKE? Here. Average ammount of Isk earned per match:100.000ISK Average ammount of deaths per match:10=30.000 So you'll get 70.000 ISK that match if you totally got stomped and killed 10 times. Also Dust isn't a shooter that you are used to it doesn't hold your hand the entire time HTFU. I have. I HUNT tanks for fun. The newblets don't. They need the free fits. Just because you suck does not mean someone else shouldn't be able to fight back. Why don't you take your own advice and HTFU.

Gusk Hevv Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 25	Posted - 2013.03.14 16:46:00 - [101] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I just don't get why you feel like you should be able to call in a tank, in any match, under any situation. They aren't always going to be good. Sometimes the enemy team has a lot of AV guys, or better coordination, or the map doesn't provide enough cover, or there are easy places to sit and camp with a FG, etc etc. What you seem to be missing is that this is a team game first and foremost, and just by forcing the enemy to switch to AV, you've buffed your team by making it easier for your infantry to pick off their AV. Swarms also do bonus damage to armor, so make sure you're running at least two 25% resists at all times. Finally someone who isn't trolling Oh ok I keep checking the map , players , routes and all plus I run 30% resists too It just isn't me blowing up lol it's people zerg rushing because they have no sense of loss 0 isk blows up mil ISK which ruins escalation and the very core of Eve and Dust : Risk and Economy.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 2035	Posted - 2013.03.14 16:50:00 - [102] - Quote Gusk Hevv wrote: Finally someone who isn't trolling Oh ok I keep checking the map , players , routes and all plus I run 30% resists too It just isn't me blowing up lol it's people zerg rushing because they have no sense of loss 0 isk blows up mil ISK which ruins escalation and the very core of Eve and Dust : Risk and Economy. But 0isk only blows up that expensive tank with coordination or luck, usually both. The only way I could ever even remotely get behind removing free AV options is if Tanks and Dropships couldn't be called into pub matches. If that were the case, sure. Otherwise, people are too stupid to not have an option to deal with tanks. Also, anyone who knows what they're doing will quickly spec out of free gear, because it's horrible, and gets you killed more than anything else. Tanks are difficult to balance. Right now, it's about as close as it's been since beta started. There was a point where you could practically AFK farm in a tank.....
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 27	Posted - 2013.03.14 16:51:00 - [103] - Quote Gusk Hevv wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I just don't get why you feel like you should be able to call in a tank, in any match, under any situation. They aren't always going to be good. Sometimes the enemy team has a lot of AV guys, or better coordination, or the map doesn't provide enough cover, or there are easy places to sit and camp with a FG, etc etc. What you seem to be missing is that this is a team game first and foremost, and just by forcing the enemy to switch to AV, you've buffed your team by making it easier for your infantry to pick off their AV. Swarms also do bonus damage to armor, so make sure you're running at least two 25% resists at all times. Finally someone who isn't trolling Oh ok I keep checking the map , players , routes and all plus I run 30% resists too It just isn't me blowing up lol it's people zerg rushing because they have no sense of loss 0 isk blows up mil ISK which ruins escalation and the very core of Eve and Dust : Risk and Economy. guess what, a guy running full proto gear can be killed by a coordinated team effort by newbs in militia fit suits... does that mean that the basics should be removed from the game as well? a single full-proto loss puts a game in the red. not to mention that somebody did the math and a fully specced out infantry unit costs 11 MILLION more SP than your little tanks. so keep crying easymoder. the tears in your eyes will keep you from seeing the swarms and forge gunners until it's too late. DUST Fiend wrote: Tanks are difficult to balance. Right now, it's about as close as it's been since beta started. There was a point where you could practically AFK farm in a tank..... He wants it to go back to that.
Gusk Hevv Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 25	Posted - 2013.03.14 16:53:00 - [104] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Gusk Hevv wrote: Finally someone who isn't trolling Oh ok I keep checking the map , players , routes and all plus I run 30% resists too It just isn't me blowing up lol it's people zerg rushing because they have no sense of loss 0 isk blows up mil ISK which ruins escalation and the very core of Eve and Dust : Risk and Economy. But 0isk only blows up that expensive tank with coordination or luck, usually both. The only way I could ever even remotely get behind removing free AV options is if Tanks and Dropships couldn't be called into pub matches. If that were the case, sure. Otherwise, people are too stupid to not have an option to deal with tanks. Also, anyone who knows what they're doing will quickly spec out of free gear, because it's horrible, and gets you killed more than anything else. Tanks are difficult to balance. Right now, it's about as close as it's been since beta started. There was a point where you could practically AFK farm in a tank..... Still I think infantry should get a tinyy damage reduction 1500 damage with 20%resists is way too much for free gear and as I have stated before infantry deals more damage to vehicles than vehicle VS vehicle which is ABSOLUTELY BULLSH**
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 141	Posted - 2013.03.14 16:59:00 - [105] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: guess what, a guy running full proto gear can be killed by a coordinated team effort by newbs in militia fit suits... does that mean that the basics should be removed from the game as well? a single full-proto loss puts a game in the red. not to mention that somebody did the math and a fully specced out infantry unit costs 11 MILLION more SP than your little tanks. so keep crying easymoder. the tears in your eyes will keep you from seeing the swarms and forge gunners until . No that was BS The skills were mostly cherry picked and infantry has alot more skill wise and mod wise You cant count that at all and it was disproven as bias
Gusk Hevv Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 25	Posted - 2013.03.14 17:02:00 - [106] - Quote OK 1 request from you guys let's keep this thread clean no harsh language we are better than this.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 29	Posted - 2013.03.14 17:07:00 - [107] - Quote Gusk Hevv wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Gusk Hevv wrote: Finally someone who isn't trolling Oh ok I keep checking the map , players , routes and all plus I run 30% resists too It just isn't me blowing up lol it's people zerg rushing because they have no sense of loss 0 isk blows up mil ISK which ruins escalation and the very core of Eve and Dust : Risk and Economy. But 0isk only blows up that expensive tank with coordination or luck, usually both. The only way I could ever even remotely get behind removing free AV options is if Tanks and Dropships couldn't be called into pub matches. If that were the case, sure. Otherwise, people are too stupid to not have an option to deal with tanks. Also, anyone who knows what they're doing will quickly spec out of free gear, because it's horrible, and gets you killed more than anything else. Tanks are difficult to balance. Right now, it's about as close as it's been since beta started. There was a point where you could practically AFK farm in a tank..... Still I think infantry should get a tinyy damage reduction 1500 damage with 20%resists is way too much for free gear and as I have stated before infantry deals more damage to vehicles than vehicle VS vehicle which is ABSOLUTELY BULLSH** Have you still not gotten the word "Anti-Vehicle weapons" through your head yet? as in, this weapon is made specifically to take out vehicles, and due to the nature of the weapon, especially vehicles that armor-tank(explosions do 10% more agianst armor and 10% less against shields). 1597.2 damage(assuming full weaponry, complex mod, and hitting armor, stacking ((base+weaponry) + complex mod) + armor damage bonus ) now then, taking 20%(your resist) from that gives us 1277.76 Just barely over the weapon's stated base damage(4x300=1200 stated damage)
Beta Anarchaeis Killshot Corp 4	Posted - 2013.03.14 17:09:00 - [108] - Quote rotfl...this whole thread slays me. militia swarm = tank acupuncture.
Gusk Hevv Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 25	Posted - 2013.03.14 17:10:00 - [109] - Quote Beta Anarchaeis wrote: rotfl...this whole thread slays me. militia swarm = tank acupuncture. Uses shield tanks Knows nothing.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 30	Posted - 2013.03.14 17:12:00 - [110] - Quote Gusk Hevv wrote: Beta Anarchaeis wrote: rotfl...this whole thread slays me. militia swarm = tank acupuncture. Uses shield tanks Knows nothing. so because he uses the kind of tank that has a natural resistance to the militia swarms he knows nothing? so it really is just you wanting to roflstomp pubs.

Gusk Hevv Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 25	Posted - 2013.03.14 17:15:00 - [111] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Gusk Hevv wrote: Beta Anarchaeis wrote: rotfl...this whole thread slays me. militia swarm = tank acupuncture. Uses shield tanks Knows nothing. so because he uses the kind of tank that has a natural resistance to the militia swarms he knows nothing? so it really is just you wanting to roflstomp pubs. Now how does that mean I want PUBStomp? Teenager detected.
Beta Anarchaeis Killshot Corp 4	Posted - 2013.03.14 17:15:00 - [112] - Quote Gusk Hevv wrote: Beta Anarchaeis wrote: rotfl...this whole thread slays me. militia swarm = tank acupuncture. Uses shield tanks Knows nothing. i've never used a tank i prefer to get around on my own two legs for the next few months while my skills fill out.
Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 351	Posted - 2013.03.14 17:19:00 - [113] - Quote Gusk Hevv wrote: 3000 ISK MAN! DAFUQ YOU BROKE? Here. Average ammount of Isk earned per match:100.000ISK Average ammount of deaths per match:10=30.000 So you'll get 70.000 ISK that match if you totally got stomped and killed 10 times. Also Dust isn't a shooter that you are used to it doesn't hold your hand the entire time HTFU. Said the guy that wants to get rid of starter AV, pot calling the kettle black much?
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 31	Posted - 2013.03.14 17:20:00 - [114] - Quote Gusk Hevv wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Gusk Hevv wrote: Beta Anarchaeis wrote: rotfl...this whole thread slays me. militia swarm = tank acupuncture. Uses shield tanks Knows nothing. so because he uses the kind of tank that has a natural resistance to the militia swarms he knows nothing? so it really is just you wanting to roflstomp pubs. Now how does that mean I want PUBStomp? Teenager detected. yeah I know you're still trying to figure out what those parts are between your legs, don't worry, one day you'll catch up to the people who can buy their own liquor, getting drunk is it's own reward though. it means you want to pubstomp because you are trying so damn hard to remove the hard counter to your own specific type of tank while not giving a flaming kitten about any other tank drivers, or the effect on the game as a whole.
Gusk Hevv Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 25	Posted - 2013.03.14 17:20:00 - [115] - Quote Beta Anarchaeis wrote: Gusk Hevv wrote: Beta Anarchaeis wrote: rotfl...this whole thread slays me. militia swarm = tank acupuncture. Uses shield tanks Knows nothing. i've never used a tank i prefer to get around on my own two legs for the next few months while my skills fill out. Tank=\=HAV Tanking generally refers to having a high buffer and rep rate. HAV is the vehicle.
Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 351	Posted - 2013.03.14 17:26:00 - [116] - Quote Gusk Hevv wrote: Ok please don't troll me for a reasonable post here it comes. I run armor tank (Madrugars and Suryas) and my problem with AV is the fact that even militia swarms deals 1500 damage to armor , resists and reps running and all but when the first swarms are in the air the rest follows I back off , but to my surprise the swarms follow me behind curves and rocks , a lot of them too. Right now any nublet can banish any vehicle on demand ;swap to free AV en masse fire once and with that many people firing at the same time , I think it's new year or something, Dust is very unfriendly to vehicles some times (In some cases where we pubstomp I park my tank near the base CRU and wait there so it's not like I want an I win button) Okay there comes the crux of the point. You're trying to account for a scenario in a pub match. In a corp battle if that many people go AV you know what they cant defend against. Infantry. That means the tank has served its purpose by supporting infantry in a different way by drawing enemy fire. Now infantry wipes them clean, caps the objectives and tanker either runs and hides to lick its wounds or calls in another and proceeds to reap the redline goodness and victory it just secured for the team. Fact is rarely if ever do you get a zerg of AV on a tank unless its a group of vets because we'll go hardcore negative just to blow you up the way the IMP haters come at us in mass to destroy our Proto rockin Ginyu force squads. The fact that you expect to call in a tank and be able to turn the tide of battle without ZERO COORDINATION with SQUAD/TEAMMATES says volumes about your noobishness. My advice join DUST UNI if they'll have you cause clearly you need to be schooled in the basics.
Beta Anarchaeis Killshot Corp 4	Posted - 2013.03.14 17:31:00 - [117] - Quote Gusk Hevv wrote: Beta Anarchaeis wrote: Gusk Hevv wrote: Beta Anarchaeis wrote: rotfl...this whole thread slays me. militia swarm = tank acupuncture. Uses shield tanks Knows nothing. i've never used a tank i prefer to get around on my own two legs for the next few months while my skills fill out. Tank=\=HAV Tanking generally refers to having a high buffer and rep rate. HAV is the vehicle. yup, see what i mean? only complain that drivers should be voicing right now considering the massive kill streaks they get is that the steering system blows.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 32	Posted - 2013.03.14 17:32:00 - [118] - Quote Normally I don't like you IMP guys. But damn that was a nice post.
Gusk Hevv Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 25	Posted - 2013.03.14 17:37:00 - [119] - Quote Keep trolling guys I just took time from your life and it was amazing nublets IDC anymore , dev blog is up keep noobing


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