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Gusk Hevv wrote:

Medic 1879 wrote:

Gusk Hevv wrote:

Travi Zyg wrote:

Do EVE players cry this much on their boards or is this just Dust exclusive?

Does EVE players get their Dreadnoughts destroyed by rookie ships due to rookie ships having civillian guns that deal more damage than a meta 4 railgun?

I don't think so.
Scrub.

Wait where are these magic high damage free milita fitting guns you speak of the ones I see are a bit pants also I am saddened to note my request for footage of these AV swarms and solo AV rambo's appear to have been ignored please could you rectify this it would strengthen your argument considerably.

Here your wish has been fullfilled. youtube.com/watch?v=2KNSdD8PYgY&feature=plcp
Btw know that tank costs around 1.5+mil ISK those guys are running MLT fits so he could kill them all day long without them ever losing a penny, kills don't matter , money does.

Edit:Beld Ermon STFU and keep driving your pubstomper , I use my tank to help my team out thus get it blown up.


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Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries 28	Posted - 2013.03.14 12:03:00 - [1] - Quote Funny when I play pub games and someone brings up a tank I have never once seen an entire team switch to AV 2-3 maybe but never an entire team, How do I keep missing these amazing AV rushes.
Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries 31	Posted - 2013.03.14 12:20:00 - [2] - Quote I use a militia AV fitting (millitia heavy, FG+AVnades.) And its only really usefull for harrassment because anyone in an adv tank can easily survive a few shots from a militia forge gun I mean the last time I used that class I put all 3 AVnades on the tank and all 3 FG shots on it and did less than 50%shield damage and by the time I reloaded his shields were repairing and I was now the tanker's main target but please feel free to post a video of one of these legendary militia fit Rambo's solo'ing and adv tank. For that matter for all the complaining about it I have yet to see a video off this mythical redberry AV swarm in pub matches if its as common as complainers would have it believe we should be hip deep in these video's. Apologies for rant but people wanting a HIGH RISK HIGH REWARD playstyle changed to just HIGH REWARD brings out the inner indignant Englishman. Which also explains my compulsive politeness afterwards good day chaps. Edit also apparently makes me a kitten speller.
Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries 31	Posted - 2013.03.14 12:27:00 - [3] - Quote Gusk Hevv wrote: Dude wtf are you high on 1 guy with a free LAV can crash into tanks and deal 2000 damage in this case my tank will go boom in 5 , absolutely free LAV that everyone can call in. Suicide LAV's aren't an AV fitting though which was your original point, however your deflecting from the arguments against your stance on free AV fittings to free LAV's was smoothly done. Plus I once suicide LAV'd a tank (accidental I assure you if I was aiming for it I would have hit a wall 100m instead more than likely.) and I cant really see a future in the suicide business.
Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries 31	Posted - 2013.03.14 12:30:00 - [4] - Quote BlG MAMA wrote: agree , make AV AUR ONLY remove snipers aswell if u at it and heavy's also i would like you to remove dropships add bikes pls and remove red zone aswell also remove pistols , i hate them Personally I would be happy with just making Logi's non-combatants just let us wander the battlefield peacefully reviving any and all and ensuring everyone has plenty of bullets to satisfy every good Logi's deepseated OCD. Edit also apologies for double post.
Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries 31	Posted - 2013.03.14 12:36:00 - [5] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: MLT tanks take 0 SP to get in. so there 0 SP= 0 SP. But advanced require at least 2mil SP so by your logic 2mil+=2mil+ Fact is milita is ther because the scrubs cried for it, they were unwilling to work as a team, HAVs got big nerfs to every part of the tank and AV got buffed so now everyone can have a milita AV fit and solo an advanced tank if they wish uhm... WHAT!? a freebie fit will barely put a dent in any non-militia tank solo. and advanced tank is practically immortal in pubmatches. Tell that to the numerous tanks i have soloed with ease So you have solo'd many adv tanks with only milita AV fittings no help from anyone else obviously otherwise its not exactly solo. I am impressed sir you must be a very good player to casually off adv tanks on your own would you mind showing me a video of this amazing achievement so I may attempt to emulate your greatness?
Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries 34	Posted - 2013.03.14 12:44:00 - [6] - Quote Well seing as you bring that up I find it easier to kill proto's with my militia cheapsuit + flux nades than I do to kill advanced tanks with a milita cheapsuit + AV nades.
Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries 35	Posted - 2013.03.14 12:53:00 - [7] - Quote Gusk Hevv wrote: Travi Zyg wrote: Do EVE players cry this much on their boards or is this just Dust exclusive? Does EVE players get their Dreadnoughts destroyed by rookie ships due to rookie ships having civillian guns that deal more damage than a meta 4 railgun? I don't think so. Scrub. Wait where are these magic high damage free milita fitting guns you speak of the ones I see are a bit pants also I am saddened to note my request for footage of these AV swarms and solo AV rambo's appear to have been ignored please could you rectify this it would strengthen your argument considerably.
Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries 35	Posted - 2013.03.14 13:02:00 - [8] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: remove free vehicles. That I agree with wholeheartedly free dropsuit fittings make sense but a free LAV less so and if only a few had them we would see less mass LAV callings in the first few seconds of the game and less RDV pilots is obviously a huge bonus. Although with no free LAV's I dont see many people using them as they are just very exspensive glass taxi's maybe a cheaper LAV and no free would be the way forward people are less likely to use them to block ladders or go all suicide bomber on people that way.
Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries 36	Posted - 2013.03.14 13:10:00 - [9] - Quote Gusk Hevv wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: Gusk Hevv wrote: Travi Zyg wrote: Do EVE players cry this much on their boards or is this just Dust exclusive? Does EVE players get their Dreadnoughts destroyed by rookie ships due to rookie ships having civillian guns that deal more damage than a meta 4 railgun? I don't think so. Scrub. Wait where are these magic high damage free milita fitting guns you speak of the ones I see are a bit pants also I am saddened to note my request for footage of these AV swarms and solo AV rambo's appear to have been ignored please could you rectify this it would strengthen your argument considerably. Here your wish has been fullfilled. youtube.com/watch?v=2KNSdD8PYgY&feature=plcp Btw know that tank costs around 1.5+mil ISK those guys are running MLT fits so he could kill them all day long without them ever losing a penny, kills don't matter , money does. Edit:Beld Ermon STFU and keep driving your pubstomper , I use my tank to help my team out thus get it blown up. Wait that proves nothing 1. how do you know they are all using milita fittings. 2. tanker gets an awful lot of kills/assists and most importantly 3. The tank survies. All this shows is a good tanker in a good tank can take on pretty much a whole team going AV and waddle off smiling. Conceded this shows allot of redberry AVers so it can happen but still not proof of this it happens every game argument. Edited to address Takahiro as well (apologies if I spelt that wrong.) Well you may have an easy time soloing adv tanks but I have yet to see anyone else do it in a militia fitting so you cant exactly say remove free AV fittings because the best players are amazing with them as it then leaves us lesser mercs high and dry.
Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries 41	Posted - 2013.03.14 13:37:00 - [10] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Travi Zyg wrote: And just to elaborate on my previous post about proto av stuff Mr.Gusk. the point is, you going to sit here and whine about getting owned by cheap av stuff, and your STILL going to be here whining when you lose your 1.5 mil tank to a 25-50k isk av nade...because like most other whiners on here, nothing ccp does for YOU will ever be enough. They will remove free av options, and you will cry that ex 11s wirykomi and lai dais are OP. So far CCP have listened to the whiners and made tanks super weak and easy to destroy while buffing AV Watch the video the other guy posted that tank stood up to allot of abuse infact go on youtube type in dust 514 tank and I bet you there are an awful lot more videos of guys in HAV's getting huge killstreaks than there are of lone AV rambo's getting tank kills or even just less tank destruction at all really.

Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries 45	Posted - 2013.03.14 13:48:00 - [11] - Quote I see allot of tanks in skirmish still, some will risk possible OB's which are rarer now in pub matches anyway as most blueberries regard joining a squad as some form of dark magic. I suppose we will have to agree to disagree you believe all tanks are glass cannons and AV equipment to be tougher than Chuck Norris. While I dont lets just leave it at that shall we?
Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries 46	Posted - 2013.03.14 13:51:00 - [12] - Quote Gusk Hevv wrote: Travi Zyg wrote: And just to elaborate on my previous post about proto av stuff Mr.Gusk. the point is, you going to sit here and whine about getting owned by cheap av stuff, and your STILL going to be here whining when you lose your 1.5 mil tank to a 25-50k isk av nade...because like most other whiners on here, nothing ccp does for YOU will ever be enough. They will remove free av options, and you will cry that ex 11s wirykomi and lai dais are OP. That will not happen if someone spends time and money to get them i will not hate on them:D BTW tanks have been nerfed more than your puny Dropsuits ever did so it's people like you who whine about not being able to fit proper AV did this to tanks. But how can you tell who is using milita gear and who is using adv or proto gear against you unless they get the last hit maybe some poor sod is plugging away at you with proto AV and some opportunist simply gets the last hit with their weaker equipment?
Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries 47	Posted - 2013.03.14 14:00:00 - [13] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: You cannot ignore that tanks are weaker than previous builds and that AV got more buffs in the last builds, the whole balance is out of whack I agree tanks are weaker than before and AV got a buff but not to the point where you bring out a tank and one random merc in a starter fit will destroy it everytime before it so much as twitches most tanks fall to teamwork which of course is also free but you cant nerf that. Yes tanks are expensive so yes its high risk but if you play well with it have the proper support and aren't unlucky enough to run into a whole squad of proto AVers it is also high reward same as all other methods. High level heavies High risk but if done well and well supported can be high reward. High level logi's same as above High level Assault same as above High level snipers well lets ignore those for now. But my point is valid High reward needs to be balanced with high risk yes tanks have the highest risk due to pricing (maybe baring dropships not sure on vehicle prices.) but they also have the highest reward as a good tank is anti-infantry, anti-LAV, and can even stand up to other tanks and instalations. What would you like 1 guy on opposite team brings out a HAV and all players on other team must go proto AV to stand a chance against it? Its balanced now very rarely will a tank fall to less than a squad (barring idiocy on part of driver or RDV.)
Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries 49	Posted - 2013.03.14 14:29:00 - [14] - Quote [quote=Takahiro Kashuken] Quote: Its not high reward at all 4mil+ SP to get into the advanced tank for a slight increase in shield/armor with the overall fit costing 2mil Its all risk no reward With all the suits you have mentioned it doesnt matter, they can swap out at a supply depot and be fine, low on armor no logi but supply depot ther swap suits With proper tank support i prob need 2 snipers to kill the swarms/FG coming from the mountain top which only a railgun can reach but even then doesnt mean i will get a kill at all since i need a direct hit since splash got nerfed with it or have to avoid infantry because a few carry AV nades which do what 1000 damage per nade and home in on the tank so it never misses If i bring out any tank thats it im with it until it gets destroyed or game is over, i dont have a garage to change fits to fight that railgun in the redline or the AV out of reach of my blaster It is high reward again you only mention the costs but not the massive amounts of kills and vehicle kill assists you get with the tank. 2 snipers to kill FG's and swarms from behind redline, Well if entire enemy team is behind redline tanks are a silly idea if its only a few hiding in redline reposition and hammer those who aren't. Avoid infantry, well if you are a HAV driver who avoids infantry what do you do just go on nice scenic drives? Needing to change fits to fight out of map railguns 1 avoid their LOS rarely does a railgun off map have excellent view of entire map. Deal with AV out of reach of your tank simple answer close distance if theres only 1-2 and if possible if its not what is the rest of your team doing I am sure these battles are 16v16 not 16vHAV.
Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries 49	Posted - 2013.03.14 14:32:00 - [15] - Quote Gusk Hevv wrote: You know what an I win button is : proto suits scrub If tanks are any weaker they'll get destroyed by ARs which I'm sure is what you want. Proto suits have counters my AV counter it milita AV fitting and AV nades Proto counter is Milita fitting and flux nades so what that really boils down to is learn what counters your playstyle and learn to counter it or avoid it. To put it simple Rock. Paper. Scissors. Edited to cut some quote.
Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries 49	Posted - 2013.03.14 14:42:00 - [16] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Never said anything about a redline Yea sometimes i do have to avoid infantry, AV nades can make mincemeat out of a tank escp with homing crutch so they never miss You never have fought against a railgun tank then and half the time in pub games never rely on blue dots to do anything worthwhile, it is 16vs the HAV Apologies you didn't mention redline you mentioned hiding behind a hill same rule applies get support. Have you used AV nades yes they home but you have to get them close not just lob em up into the air and watch them mary poppins to the nearest tank. Also the sometimes just bounce of tanks randomly. Railgun tanks are ment to be anti-armour and anti-instalation relying on small turrets for close protection. I have fought against and along side a few they can be formidable if used right back to main point there really tanks weaknesses are teamwork. Pubs teamed up on you good on them but why complain when they do should pubs only plays like headless chickens you bring in tanks and they can get blown up same as dropsuits, Lavs and dropships deal with it if you hate it when people team up on you get people to team up with you a tank backed by a decent squad is a formidable oponent hard to keep plinking away at it with people hammering you. Never rely on bluedots, Works both ways bluedots fighting for an objective go help them in your tank even if they are not actively helping you its harder for AVnaders to get close if you stick with your team instead of joyriding around the countryside.
Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries 51	Posted - 2013.03.14 15:00:00 - [17] - Quote Gusk Hevv wrote: Please use tanks Even if they are militia get 20 kills in game and let me know who you went up aganist. Currently AV deals more damage to tanks than a Tank Vs Tank battle I only want a slight balance (not nerf) You may have more luck if you adress other people point of views instead of ignoring them or just saying they are wrong. I know you didn't do that in that post but you and Takahiro have been combative over this. Does AV really do more damage to a tank than say a railgun tank? Also AV is specialised so it has to be useful against vehicles because its not useful against anything else AVnades and swarms are useless against anything other than vehicles and FG aren't exactly the most efficient anti-infantry weapons around. Take away AV usefullness against vehicles and its as useful as a chocolate kettle.