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Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.14 12:05:00 -
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Gusk Hevv wrote:Remove free AV options , I hate to see the whole team switch out to deny me movement 2mil SP>0 SP
so the tank should just be an auto win for pub-matches? kitten no. |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.14 12:15:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Beren Hurin wrote:MLT tanks take 0 SP to get in. so there 0 SP= 0 SP. But advanced require at least 2mil SP so by your logic 2mil+=2mil+ Fact is milita is ther because the scrubs cried for it, they were unwilling to work as a team, HAVs got big nerfs to every part of the tank and AV got buffed so now everyone can have a milita AV fit and solo an advanced tank if they wish
uhm... WHAT!? a freebie fit will barely put a dent in any non-militia tank solo. and advanced tank is practically immortal in pubmatches. |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.14 12:25:00 -
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Gusk Hevv wrote:Dude wtf are you high on 1 guy with a free LAV can crash into tanks and deal 2000 damage in this case my tank will go boom in 5 , absolutely free LAV that everyone can call in.
So now that you've realized that you can't win in an argument about trying to remove cheap AV fits that don't work for anything bigger than free LAVs, you just want to remove the free LAVs so that the free av fits are useless and basically removed from the game. |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.14 12:37:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Beren Hurin wrote:MLT tanks take 0 SP to get in. so there 0 SP= 0 SP. But advanced require at least 2mil SP so by your logic 2mil+=2mil+ Fact is milita is ther because the scrubs cried for it, they were unwilling to work as a team, HAVs got big nerfs to every part of the tank and AV got buffed so now everyone can have a milita AV fit and solo an advanced tank if they wish uhm... WHAT!? a freebie fit will barely put a dent in any non-militia tank solo. and advanced tank is practically immortal in pubmatches. Tell that to the numerous tanks i have soloed with ease
okay.
*clears throat*
HEAR YE HEAR YE! to all the militia tanks whose drivers wasted money, this guy popped your cheapo POS tank. there is definitive evidence(his word) that he was the only person on the battlefield that knew you existed and was attacking you with only the most basic of antivehicular armaments. Truly a commendable action! Hip hip... |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.14 12:44:00 -
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Gusk Hevv wrote:People just troll threads and don't see the point: (Only using militia gear) How easy is it to kill a 'tard in a proto suit? Hard How easy is it to kill a 'tard in a proto tank with a big glowing neon target on it? Easy
AV infantry should deal less damage , if you really want to deal with a tank you should get one too (there are militia tanks)
So I should get into what is basically a deathtrap(militia tank) to fight your godstomping tanks... that doesn't seem totally ******** at all!
How's about this, you learn to coordinate with your team so they kill the AV guy for you! or hide behind big ass rocks/buildings and pop out to blast him. don't say you can't. it's happened to me plenty for me to know that can't just means "I'm lazy and want this to be an auto-win button, even though it costs me 11 MILLION fewer sp to max than a single infantry role." |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.14 13:16:00 -
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after watching that video... Really, you seriously don't want to fight, you only want to win without trying at all. If I ever see you in game, I WILL switch to my good av fits just to make you hemorrhage money. |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.14 13:53:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:You cannot ignore that tanks are weaker than previous builds and that AV got more buffs in the last builds, the whole balance is out of whack
and in previous builds, tanks were basically god-mode. you got used to that, and now that the other guys stand a chance you don't wanna play anymore. |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.14 14:07:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:You cannot ignore that tanks are weaker than previous builds and that AV got more buffs in the last builds, the whole balance is out of whack and in previous builds, tanks were basically god-mode. you got used to that, and now that the other guys stand a chance you don't wanna play anymore. Used to be god mode Now the turrets got nerfed, mods removed, the tanks themselves got changed, even tank battles are barely 10sec long and AV is just too easy for no SP or ISK investment while being powerful or more powerful than a vehicle mounted turret and sticky AV nades so that you never miss and missiles that bend around your cover still (not as much but they still do) When the tanks used to be god mode it did require a 4man advanced AV team to take out the advanced tank, problem was no one wanted to skill up AV and work together instead they wanted to fire an AR and kill it that way Now you can take out an advanced tank with 2 ppl or 1 if you really know what your doing, this build it has never been easier to kill a tank
and yet if you have a tank driver who has even the most remote idea of what he/she is doing, that one person will be effectively shut down through cover or simply being killed over and over. I'm not even counting the gunners in this scenario, they could be bluedots trying to figure out why they aren't driving for all it matters here. |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.14 14:17:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:You cannot ignore that tanks are weaker than previous builds and that AV got more buffs in the last builds, the whole balance is out of whack and in previous builds, tanks were basically god-mode. you got used to that, and now that the other guys stand a chance you don't wanna play anymore. Used to be god mode Now the turrets got nerfed, mods removed, the tanks themselves got changed, even tank battles are barely 10sec long and AV is just too easy for no SP or ISK investment while being powerful or more powerful than a vehicle mounted turret and sticky AV nades so that you never miss and missiles that bend around your cover still (not as much but they still do) When the tanks used to be god mode it did require a 4man advanced AV team to take out the advanced tank, problem was no one wanted to skill up AV and work together instead they wanted to fire an AR and kill it that way Now you can take out an advanced tank with 2 ppl or 1 if you really know what your doing, this build it has never been easier to kill a tank and yet if you have a tank driver who has even the most remote idea of what he/she is doing, that one person will be effectively shut down through cover or simply being killed over and over. I'm not even counting the gunners in this scenario, they could be bluedots trying to figure out why they aren't driving for all it matters here. You can get shutdown in cover by one person, ive done it pin em down then call in an OB to do the job
So you've fought bad drivers with terribad gunners before? /golfclap. Want a cookie? |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.14 15:01:00 -
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Gusk Hevv wrote:Please use tanks Even if they are militia get 20 kills in game and let me know who you went up aganist.
Currently AV deals more damage to tanks than a Tank Vs Tank battle I only want a slight balance (not nerf)
You are campaigning for a removal of what amounts to the the only real defense randoms have against tanks.
and yes, it makes sense that weapons made to take out vehicles do more damage to vehicles than other vehicles made to take out infantry. |
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Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.14 16:05:00 -
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Gusk Hevv wrote:Ok I'll try to explain my point in a better way now.
AV starter fits have no ISK or SP requirements so they can be spammed until the said vehicle (not just tanks) blows up. Militia vehicles however still cost shi*tons of ISK and isn't the easiest vehicle to drive too
Counter point: the free av fit sucks hard(half ammo, loses a module to the militia gear's requirements for pg/cpu, and carries no equipment), and has borderline no ability to fight infantry(they have 2 grenades and the militia pistol. which is deadly in the right hands, but I've seen the people who play this game)
anyone being killed by one is either a horrible driver, an LAV or both. |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.14 16:31:00 -
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Gusk Hevv wrote:About the point you made there.... YES they should pay for that , you know what in the near future (very near) we need to get rid of starter fits No no no don't get me wrong most starter fits will only cost 3000 ISK that's like nothing , but it will stop people from zerg rushing others (remember when grenades had 2 sec fuse and everyone was suicide bombing?)
and when the newbs run out of suits and quit the game, then what? this game is a harsh enough start already without some angry qqtanker trying to make everyone's life(except his own) harder |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.14 16:42:00 -
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Gusk Hevv wrote:3000 ISK MAN! DAFUQ YOU BROKE?
Here. Average ammount of Isk earned per match:100.000ISK Average ammount of deaths per match:10=30.000 So you'll get 70.000 ISK that match if you totally got stomped and killed 10 times.
Also Dust isn't a shooter that you are used to it doesn't hold your hand the entire time HTFU.
I have. I HUNT tanks for fun. The newblets don't. They need the free fits. Just because you suck does not mean someone else shouldn't be able to fight back. Why don't you take your own advice and HTFU. |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.14 16:51:00 -
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Gusk Hevv wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:I just don't get why you feel like you should be able to call in a tank, in any match, under any situation. They aren't always going to be good. Sometimes the enemy team has a lot of AV guys, or better coordination, or the map doesn't provide enough cover, or there are easy places to sit and camp with a FG, etc etc.
What you seem to be missing is that this is a team game first and foremost, and just by forcing the enemy to switch to AV, you've buffed your team by making it easier for your infantry to pick off their AV. Swarms also do bonus damage to armor, so make sure you're running at least two 25% resists at all times. Finally someone who isn't trolling Oh ok I keep checking the map , players , routes and all plus I run 30% resists too It just isn't me blowing up lol it's people zerg rushing because they have no sense of loss 0 isk blows up mil ISK which ruins escalation and the very core of Eve and Dust : Risk and Economy.
guess what, a guy running full proto gear can be killed by a coordinated team effort by newbs in militia fit suits... does that mean that the basics should be removed from the game as well? a single full-proto loss puts a game in the red. not to mention that somebody did the math and a fully specced out infantry unit costs 11 MILLION more SP than your little tanks. so keep crying easymoder. the tears in your eyes will keep you from seeing the swarms and forge gunners until it's too late.
DUST Fiend wrote: Tanks are difficult to balance. Right now, it's about as close as it's been since beta started. There was a point where you could practically AFK farm in a tank.....
He wants it to go back to that. |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.14 17:07:00 -
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Gusk Hevv wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Gusk Hevv wrote:Finally someone who isn't trolling
Oh ok I keep checking the map , players , routes and all plus I run 30% resists too It just isn't me blowing up lol it's people zerg rushing because they have no sense of loss 0 isk blows up mil ISK which ruins escalation and the very core of Eve and Dust : Risk and Economy. But 0isk only blows up that expensive tank with coordination or luck, usually both. The only way I could ever even remotely get behind removing free AV options is if Tanks and Dropships couldn't be called into pub matches. If that were the case, sure. Otherwise, people are too stupid to not have an option to deal with tanks. Also, anyone who knows what they're doing will quickly spec out of free gear, because it's horrible, and gets you killed more than anything else. Tanks are difficult to balance. Right now, it's about as close as it's been since beta started. There was a point where you could practically AFK farm in a tank..... Still I think infantry should get a tinyy damage reduction 1500 damage with 20%resists is way too much for free gear and as I have stated before infantry deals more damage to vehicles than vehicle VS vehicle which is ABSOLUTELY BULLSH**
Have you still not gotten the word "Anti-Vehicle weapons" through your head yet? as in, this weapon is made specifically to take out vehicles, and due to the nature of the weapon, especially vehicles that armor-tank(explosions do 10% more agianst armor and 10% less against shields).
1597.2 damage(assuming full weaponry, complex mod, and hitting armor, stacking ((base+weaponry) + complex mod) + armor damage bonus ) now then, taking 20%(your resist) from that gives us 1277.76 Just barely over the weapon's stated base damage(4x300=1200 stated damage) |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.14 17:12:00 -
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Gusk Hevv wrote:Beta Anarchaeis wrote:rotfl...this whole thread slays me. militia swarm = tank acupuncture. Uses shield tanks Knows nothing.
so because he uses the kind of tank that has a natural resistance to the militia swarms he knows nothing? so it really is just you wanting to roflstomp pubs. |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.14 17:20:00 -
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Gusk Hevv wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:Gusk Hevv wrote:Beta Anarchaeis wrote:rotfl...this whole thread slays me. militia swarm = tank acupuncture. Uses shield tanks Knows nothing. so because he uses the kind of tank that has a natural resistance to the militia swarms he knows nothing? so it really is just you wanting to roflstomp pubs. Now how does that mean I want PUBStomp? Teenager detected.
yeah I know you're still trying to figure out what those parts are between your legs, don't worry, one day you'll catch up to the people who can buy their own liquor, getting drunk is it's own reward though.
it means you want to pubstomp because you are trying so damn hard to remove the hard counter to your own specific type of tank while not giving a flaming kitten about any other tank drivers, or the effect on the game as a whole. |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.14 17:32:00 -
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Normally I don't like you IMP guys. But damn that was a nice post. |
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