MLT tanks take 0 SP to get in. so there 0 SP= 0 SP.

uhm... WHAT!? a freebie fit will barely put a dent in any non-militia tank solo. and advanced tank is practically immortal in pubmatches.

So you have solo'd many adv tanks with only milita AV fittings no help from anyone else obviously otherwise its not exactly solo. I am impressed sir you must be a very good player to casually off adv tanks on your own would you mind showing me a video of this amazing achievement so I may attempt to emulate your greatness?

And just to elaborate on my previous post about proto av stuff Mr.Gusk. the point is, you going to sit here and whine about getting owned by cheap av stuff, and your STILL going to be here whining when you lose your 1.5 mil tank to a 25-50k isk av nade...because like most other whiners on here, nothing ccp does for YOU will ever be enough. They will remove free av options, and you will cry that ex 11s wirykomi and lai dais are OP.

Watch the video the other guy posted that tank stood up to allot of abuse infact go on youtube type in dust 514 tank and I bet you there are an awful lot more videos of guys in HAV's getting huge killstreaks than there are of lone AV rambo's getting tank kills or even just less tank destruction at all really.

and in previous builds, tanks were basically god-mode. you got used to that, and now that the other guys stand a chance you don't wanna play anymore.

I agree tanks are weaker than before and AV got a buff but not to the point where you bring out a tank and one random merc in a starter fit will destroy it everytime before it so much as twitches most tanks fall to teamwork which of course is also free but you cant nerf that.

Yes tanks are expensive so yes its high risk but if you play well with it have the proper support and aren't unlucky enough to run into a whole squad of proto AVers it is also high reward same as all other methods.

High level heavies High risk but if done well and well supported can be high reward.

High level logi's same as above

High level Assault same as above

High level snipers well lets ignore those for now.

But my point is valid High reward needs to be balanced with high risk yes tanks have the highest risk due to pricing (maybe baring dropships not sure on vehicle prices.) but they also have the highest reward as a good tank is anti-infantry, anti-LAV, and can even stand up to other tanks and instalations.

What would you like 1 guy on opposite team brings out a HAV and all players on other team must go proto AV to stand a chance against it? Its balanced now very rarely will a tank fall to less than a squad (barring idiocy on part of driver or RDV.)

and yet if you have a tank driver who has even the most remote idea of what he/she is doing, that one person will be effectively shut down through cover or simply being killed over and over. I'm not even counting the gunners in this scenario, they could be bluedots trying to figure out why they aren't driving for all it matters here.

OMG you must suck because nobody i know can use a starter AV and solo an advanced tank if the tank pilot is halfway competent. That said yes there have been a number a games where ive seen a tank come in and my idiot bluedot teammates all run and hide like a scared kitty and become utterly useless and cannon fodder.

I mean if these bluedots had half a brain 8, hell all 16 of us would go starter AV and blow the kitten out of any tank. I would love to see a tank just get zerged on by an entire teams barrage of swarm launcher because i dont think anything could survive that and it would be utterly hilarious.

Unfortunately, well they're bluedots, am I right?

ITT Tank driver doesn't know what cover is and wants his I win button to push itself

Crying over militia gear? For shame, for shaaame.

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It is high reward again you only mention the costs but not the massive amounts of kills and vehicle kill assists you get with the tank.

2 snipers to kill FG's and swarms from behind redline, Well if entire enemy team is behind redline tanks are a silly idea if its only a few hiding in redline reposition and hammer those who aren't.

Avoid infantry, well if you are a HAV driver who avoids infantry what do you do just go on nice scenic drives?

Needing to change fits to fight out of map railguns 1 avoid their LOS rarely does a railgun off map have excellent view of entire map. Deal with AV out of reach of your tank simple answer close distance if theres only 1-2 and if possible if its not what is the rest of your team doing I am sure these battles are 16v16 not 16vHAV.

Play with a squad....call out enemy AV, profit? And OBs can be tanked through with good tanks, I've watched it plenty of times. If you die to an OB in your tank without being hit by AV at the same time, you have a bad tank fit, period. Believe it or not, tanks are very fast (granted armor tanks take a bit of winding up to get moving) but it's your job to reposition and fall back to better cover as your support infantry takes out the AV guys that can't shoot back.

Some people man


LMFAO HAHAHAHAHA Omfg I'm having trouble breathing...hahaha, someone doesn't know what they're talking about hahahhahahaha ::cough cough wheeeeeze::

Your point though? You can jump, what, 4 inches? It's not even a bunny hop, it's more like a crippled kid bouncing off the ground after faceplanting more than anything else.

This is seriously your guys argument? A FG user can get 4 inches up to clear all kinds of cover and kill a tank?

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

You may have more luck if you adress other people point of views instead of ignoring them or just saying they are wrong.

I know you didn't do that in that post but you and Takahiro have been combative over this.

Does AV really do more damage to a tank than say a railgun tank?

Also AV is specialised so it has to be useful against vehicles because its not useful against anything else AVnades and swarms are useless against anything other than vehicles and FG aren't exactly the most efficient anti-infantry weapons around. Take away AV usefullness against vehicles and its as useful as a chocolate kettle.

Please, enlighten us.

Especially considering only noob Forge Gunners will use the standard variant over the Assault, where timing a 4 inch jump along with your charge would qualify as skill (wasted skill, but skill), and the Breach doesn't allow you to move while charging.

It just seems like you two are grasping at straws and nothing more

Or you could, play with a squad, and solve all your problems. At least tanks aren't like dropships, and require you to be bad or your opponent to be good in order to kill. If you run resistance and reps, you aren't going to die to militia stuff unless the majority of the enemy team goes AV (fall back, let your squad clean up the AV nubs).

I just don't see how you're failing this hard



I don't actually believe you, but I'll test it tonight for haha's. We do however come full circle. How on earth is this even relevant to the discussion?

guess what, a guy running full proto gear can be killed by a coordinated team effort by newbs in militia fit suits... does that mean that the basics should be removed from the game as well? a single full-proto loss puts a game in the red. not to mention that somebody did the math and a fully specced out infantry unit costs 11 MILLION more SP than your little tanks. so keep crying easymoder. the tears in your eyes will keep you from seeing the swarms and forge gunners until .