nope, although with light weapon range proficiency and a breach they do reach out suprisingly far.

Other than that, they rule the short range band, like they should.

Feel like they need a range nerf. Lately my heavy cant do **** to a scout rushing from the front spamming the shotgun.

idk about a range nerf. maybe more bullet spread, shotgun shots are too tight at short-mefium range.

Well, depends, Militia and Basic shotguns shouldn't do as much damage as they do and need a slight nerf, CRG-3 and anything above are perfect.

No.

+1

We should rally fix damage mods before we go around calling anything OP.

Feel like they need a range nerf. Lately my heavy cant do **** to a scout rushing from the front spamming the shotgun.

With the crap hit detection in the game the shotgun needs a buff IMO it's either a OHK or it does next to no damage.

I've shot someone point blank and done 1/3 to their shield, and the 2nd shot kill them. Logic -----> window

Dude... They're not supposed to....

Go watch some of the early videos of Dust 514 including CCP Pokethulu (David Reid) and he literally says - but of course I'm paraphrasing - that the Gallente Scout suit is a counter to the Heavy.

He says something along the lines of: "The scout is a fast, evasive drop-suit that's supposed to dip in beneath the heavy's slow turn speed. If a Scout can get in close to a Heavy, he's in trouble"

The bastardization of the Scout as a "sniper class" is what caused this stupid influx of it being nothing else but a sniper class. You're pretty much saying, "Oh - the scout is OP because it's doing it's job"

Seriously, I'm tired of seeing these threads all of the time. By the end of it all, this game is going to be Assault Rifles and Mass Drivers.

Go pre-order Destiny or some **** if it bothers you so much.

Ive had militia shotguns one-shot through ~400 HP non-headshot, and it wasnt even too long after reset so skills likely werent that great. How long I dont remember, but it was shortly after I was able to achieve 400 HP. So however long it takes to get assault type II and enhanced extenders (first things I went for).

So onto the subject of how to make them more balanced since I dont feel a militia shotgun should one-shot a HP modified suit, is at the very least the lower tiers need some sort of damage or pellet reduction. A militia shotgun, I feel, should be able to one-shot any assault suit that has no HP modification. A type-II assault with 2 enhanced extenders should not be able to be one-shotted, however, it should still have only ~25-50 or so HP left after one hit. Whatever level of damage that is I feel the lower tiers should be at. Which maybe a pellet reduction would be better and the higher in tiers you go the more pellets you get and damage either stays the same or slightly increases similar to ARs.

CCP really needs to start doing weekend events where we can login with supered characters and 100M ISK go at it hard and report back our findings with regard to balance, otherwise we will be having this conversation again once player hit the 8M sp mark, 12M, 20M SP and with every new weapon addition.