I believe they need to add a improved (or mandatory) tutorial or maybe have an option where another player could talk to the person and help the new guy with some of the basics and if the new guy thinks he learned a lot he could say that the tutor was helpful and the tutor could get a reward promoting the want to help people integrate themselves into the game.

The skills and loadouts take a lot of reading and thinking and customizing, and tweaking, and retweaking...I love it personally! However I have had several friends that just couldn't get into the game because of complexity of it all. They just want to shoot people in the face not spend an hour in the menus.

Possible solutions

Create a skill or career path system that a player can select and the SP they earn will automatically be applied to the skills that belong to that path. Similar to Dungeons and Dragons online. At any time the player can leave the path and pick their own way as they get more comfortable with the game.

Possible paths could include

Espionage- with a focus in the scout suits, hacking, explsives, scanning, dampening, droplinks, knives and side arms for CQC.

Support- focus in logistics suits, repairing, nanohives, nanite injectors, and light weapons.

Defender- Focus on heavy suits, HMGs, AV, and tanking.

Assailant- focus on the assualt suit, AR, SMG, Grenades, and various low level support skills to make them versatile.

There could be multiple offshoots from each path or just variants of these that focus on sniper rifles etc.

For each path there could be a complete dropsuitfitting purchasable in the market for ISK that lets the player continue playing without being bogged down by the market and loadouts. There could even be high end loadouts for them as they progress down their chosen path.

Any thoughts?
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What your saying is true but do we want more FPS orientated people who treat the game to much like COD?

What your saying is true but do we want more FPS orientated people who treat the game to much like COD?

The skills and loadouts take a lot of reading and thinking and customizing, and tweaking, and retweaking...I love it personally! However I have had several friends that just couldn't get into the game because of complexity of it all. They just want to shoot people in the face not spend an hour in the menus.

I disagree with any effort to 'fast track' a career in Dust, or make the game more accessible. I like the fact that it is complicated, and takes some effort to learn to play, because it functions as a way to weed out trash-talking lone wolfs that, well, just want to shoot people in the face. There are all kinds of FPS games for that, and new ones all the time. Dust should be intentionally difficult; not overwhelmingly difficult, but to the point that if someone is not willing to spend the time to learn to play, then likely that person will slowly realize this isn't their kind of game, and move on.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't EvE built on a similar system?

I don't play EvE, but I've read about it and heard a lot from people who play. EvE is actually rather difficult, but that's part of its charm. It's an actual challenge for the core gamers (which in this age is something we're sorely lacking). I would hate to see DUST become more streamlined. I enjoy the fact it took me the 4 weeks I've been playing to understand what I understand now. And even at that, I still don't know half as much as I'd like to about the game. And this is not to mention I'll have to learn all the new stuff they've got planned for DUST as the months go by AND all the expansions the game will experience as the years go by after it's full release.

I DO agree however, that there should be at least some kind of tutorial for certain elements. Vehicle maneuvering for example, especially Dropships.

There is a gigantic elephant in the room here...

DUST 514 needs players to be successful. Normally, you'd never hear me speak out for lazy mushbrains who can't take 3 days of playing a game to figure out how it works, but the entire enterprise that CCP is going for here is a massive COD or MW FPS crowd to populate the ground level combat of the Eve universe.

Two major things could crush this game if only 100k dedicated people end up playing it: 1) It is totally free. All incoming money relies solely on the AUR market. More players playing equals more people buying gear, boosters, etc... on the market. The second 2) is that there are literally a thousand solar systems or more in the Eve universe and most of those systems have belts, moons or planets that could be potential battlefields. If there are only 20k people signed into Dust 4 months after launch during a given hour because so many people jumped ship, that will make for a pretty pathetic number of active battles literally strewn across a thousand star systems.

I don't know about you, but I want as many people to stick around as possible for the second reason and CCP wants just as many peeps to stick around for the first reason.

IF implementing some kind of rookie skill and equipment training system will keep people logged in, I'm pretty much all for it. I am not for the dumbing down of this system as it is (it hardly seems complicated to me as I am typically not a FPS person) but the OPs idea would keep the game open to both types of players AND doesn't do anything that they couldn't do on their own already. The one point of contention I have is making stock dropsuit fittings easily available. MAYBE add some kind of "completed fitting" tax (5% over actual market costs) so lazy people can still play, don't lose too much ISK but are still being held responsible for their being lazy. "Convenience fee."

One thing is certain in DUST 514: more players, more battles, more AUR and ISK being spent...more fun for everyone.

I respect what you are saying, and I think you're right - to an extent.

Personally, I like playing Dust. I'd rather have a better game with fewer players than the most popular game in the world - that I think sucks.

Yeah, that's selfishness for you, but so long as we don't fall below whatever threshold is necessary for proper integration into Eve and proper compensation for CCP, I vote for a more cerebral shooter.

Oh don't get me wrong at all...

I have played Eve off and on for 2+ years and, thus, this game being considered "complex" somewhat baffles me. There IS a threshold of how simple and "canned" this game can get without it going to hell in a ham sandwich. It is still a good deal of new information for a typical gamer to absorb and many people will simply quit if they aren't assimilated into the system in a relatively fluid manner.

There is no way this game is getting LESS complicated than it already is. No way. As corp battles get more involved, maps get bigger and things like racial dropsuits and suit skill bonuses get added and integration with Eve get added into this game, it will only get more complicated. Much more complicated. The basics shouldn't change much, but player involvement and objectives sure will...which will only serve to alienate the uninitiated further without some serious help.

The OPs point is that a system can and should be implemented into the game that, without reducing its appeal to the hardcore/pro complicated/steep learning curve crowd, make the game more easily played by the newly injected FPS gamer. In essence, make it "simpler" by adding mechanics that allow someone to build a stock class quickly and efficiently so they can get out there and kill people without diminishing the awesome complexity that is the DUST skill system. People who learn the game mechanics will always have an advantage over people who just spawn without knowledge.

Call me silly: but this is obviously a team based game. Communication is key, to teach new players, direct on the field, and harass and complain. I know a profit plan is in order, but the "universal voice transmitter" thing just makes people keep the mic off. Who wants to pay to talk?
Yes, I know we can comm with team and with squad without the UVT, but I had to discover this on accident. 'Paying to talk' lessens the likelihood of VOIP. Which lessens the experience. Just drop that off your profit plan and help make this game team based. It builds community and will give inertia to the interest.

I agree that the UVT kinda sucks. But it only costs .50 for a month. And its not required. If people aren't interested in spending any money at all then team and squad chat will probably be enough for them. I do think it should be turned by default though since it is such an ordeal to get it set up the first time. Push to talk should be off as default and voice should be on as a default. then when you join a squad or a team it should also be on as a default unless you have voice activated on another channel.

+1 they need to sort out the voice options.

But personally i think we need more tutorials, i remember when i first logged on back in closed beta and looked at all the skills and the fitting menu, it was so confusing i just left after the first match. coming back just before open beta the tutorials while not great did help, we need a way to educate people how the system works without boring them. also some kind of under 1mil sp play list would probably help newbies find their feet without getting stomped into the ground repeatedly.

+1 they need to sort out the voice options.

But personally i think we need more tutorials, i remember when i first logged on back in closed beta and looked at all the skills and the fitting menu, it was so confusing i just left after the first match. coming back just before open beta the tutorials while not great did help, we need a way to educate people how the system works without boring them. also some kind of under 1mil sp play list would probably help newbies find their feet without getting stomped into the ground repeatedly.

I disagree with those who believe that this is only good for bringing in brain dead twitching wretches. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean you are COD fanboy who knows ***** for brain. I am one of the most intelligent (and arrogant) people I know, and I made two trial accounts on EVE without understanding what was going on. Third time was the charm. Anyway, Dust is very similar. It's less complicated, but it still has it's fair share of what I call "mindpricks" that prick your mind, like the annoying UI, the poor given information and the lack of a guiding hand. If this smart (and narcissistic) dude can have trouble with EVE, be damn sure that an ordinary Joe looking for a more intellectual FPS can have trouble with Dust.