I personally don't think OHK's should exist in this game, except in cases of people with very light shields/armor.

Being OHK'd by a tank/large turret is one thing... but bringing 150, 200, sometimes even 300k worth of gear onto the battlefield, just to be taken out instantly by a damage modded militia shotgun, or a sniper rifle, or even, if you're caught unprepared, an LAV, or melted in 1-2 seconds by a laser rifle...

I mean, honestly, it just seems cheap. I'm not even talking specifically about pub matches, this math just shouldn't ever add up. I guess maybe I'm off base, but if so, how do you justify it? I suppose you could argue physics, but whats the point of even upgrading shields/armor if you're still being offed by militia/cheaper gear before you even have a chance to react?

we could argue the cons of these weapons, shotgun you have to be at least 15 meters away to do any damage, etc. but the reality is, all the current skirmish maps are full of bottlenecks, those being the objectives. You have to take objectives to win the game. The moment you start hacking, the whole map knows where you are.

All it takes is one suicidal shotgunner to run past your backup and flatten you. free for him, ???k for you.

Now, hypotheticals aside, I say the higher tiers of dropsuits/modules should have a damage buffer to prevent OHK's. Two shots is ... acceptable, at least then you have some semblance of a chance to survive. perhaps give the prototype suits an emergency buffer? if you would be alpha'd, some kind of regulator kicks in to overload the shields? hell if I know. sounds OP as hell, I'm sure you fine lady's and gent's can think of something a little more balanced?

unless you're cool with being OHK'd, in which case, I guess I'll just go on raging alone over what I percieve to be a broken mechanic in a currency-based shooter.

most of the guys that ohko you in a suit with heavy hp can be ohko'd themselves by almost anyone.

Hello sir,

I had a 1.2 million isk tank and a war barge thought it was funny to drop a supply depot on me.

most of the guys that ohko you in a suit with heavy hp can be ohko'd themselves by almost anyone.

This is me when I'm running a shotgun... and don't manage to sneak up on someone "Oh sh*t, oh sh*t, oh sh*t!".

There's a point missed here, though. You can get that one-hit-kill with a free suit. Sure, you can die easily, but it costs you nothing. Your risk is negligible, and by comparison your reward is much higher.


The problematic OHK's are ones like the Militia Shotgun. If it was a proto SG then I could understand. That guy's risking a lot of ISK just to get that kill! When it's a militia, though, there's nothing wagered on his side.

I personally don't think OHK's should exist in this game, except in cases of people with very light shields/armor.

Being OHK'd by a tank/large turret is one thing... but bringing 150, 200, sometimes even 300k worth of gear onto the battlefield, just to be taken out instantly by a damage modded militia shotgun, or a sniper rifle, or even, if you're caught unprepared, an LAV, or melted in 1-2 seconds by a laser rifle...

I mean, honestly, it just seems cheap. I'm not even talking specifically about pub matches, this math just shouldn't ever add up. I guess maybe I'm off base, but if so, how do you justify it? I suppose you could argue physics, but whats the point of even upgrading shields/armor if you're still being offed by militia/cheaper gear before you even have a chance to react?

we could argue the cons of these weapons, shotgun you have to be at least 15 meters away to do any damage, etc. but the reality is, all the current skirmish maps are full of bottlenecks, those being the objectives. You have to take objectives to win the game. The moment you start hacking, the whole map knows where you are.

All it takes is one suicidal shotgunner to run past your backup and flatten you. free for him, ???k for you.

Now, hypotheticals aside, I say the higher tiers of dropsuits/modules should have a damage buffer to prevent OHK's. Two shots is ... acceptable, at least then you have some semblance of a chance to survive. perhaps give the prototype suits an emergency buffer? if you would be alpha'd, some kind of regulator kicks in to overload the shields? hell if I know. sounds OP as hell, I'm sure you fine lady's and gent's can think of something a little more balanced?

unless you're cool with being OHK'd, in which case, I guess I'll just go on raging alone over what I percieve to be a broken mechanic in a currency-based shooter.

There's a point missed here, though. You can get that one-hit-kill with a free suit. Sure, you can die easily, but it costs you nothing. Your risk is negligible, and by comparison your reward is much higher.


The problematic OHK's are ones like the Militia Shotgun. If it was a proto SG then I could understand. That guy's risking a lot of ISK just to get that kill! When it's a militia, though, there's nothing wagered on his side.

I personally don't think OHK's should exist in this game, except in cases of people with very light shields/armor.

Being OHK'd by a tank/large turret is one thing... but bringing 150, 200, sometimes even 300k worth of gear onto the battlefield, just to be taken out instantly by a damage modded militia shotgun, or a sniper rifle, or even, if you're caught unprepared, an LAV, or melted in 1-2 seconds by a laser rifle...

I mean, honestly, it just seems cheap. I'm not even talking specifically about pub matches, this math just shouldn't ever add up. I guess maybe I'm off base, but if so, how do you justify it? I suppose you could argue physics, but whats the point of even upgrading shields/armor if you're still being offed by militia/cheaper gear before you even have a chance to react?

we could argue the cons of these weapons, shotgun you have to be at least 15 meters away to do any damage, etc. but the reality is, all the current skirmish maps are full of bottlenecks, those being the objectives. You have to take objectives to win the game. The moment you start hacking, the whole map knows where you are.

All it takes is one suicidal shotgunner to run past your backup and flatten you. free for him, ???k for you.

Now, hypotheticals aside, I say the higher tiers of dropsuits/modules should have a damage buffer to prevent OHK's. Two shots is ... acceptable, at least then you have some semblance of a chance to survive. perhaps give the prototype suits an emergency buffer? if you would be alpha'd, some kind of regulator kicks in to overload the shields? hell if I know. sounds OP as hell, I'm sure you fine lady's and gent's can think of something a little more balanced?

unless you're cool with being OHK'd, in which case, I guess I'll just go on raging alone over what I percieve to be a broken mechanic in a currency-based shooter.

There's a point missed here, though. You can get that one-hit-kill with a free suit. Sure, you can die easily, but it costs you nothing. Your risk is negligible, and by comparison your reward is much higher.


The problematic OHK's are ones like the Militia Shotgun. If it was a proto SG then I could understand. That guy's risking a lot of ISK just to get that kill! When it's a militia, though, there's nothing wagered on his side.

This is a game of risk vs reward the risk to you may be minimal but that doesn't mean the reward should be, i regularly risk my 450k isk dropship for no reward, so people complaining about losing suits to starter shotgun fits need to HTFU.

there's 0 investment. you invested in your dropship unless it's militia... but even then if it's costing you 450k your at least paying for the fittings or have skills for level 1 versions.

the militia weapons cost like 3 moldy pennies and a ball of lint.

yes they require such a small investment its laughable, but how can you let such a glass cannon get into his effective range with such a short range weapon, shotguns are practically point blank in terms of effective range. If he can get that close to you without dying he deserves that kill

if that's directed at me i feel the same way about militia weapons getting ohkos. it just seems to be the shotgun atm tho, and like someone else said that'll probably be nerfed.

I think the fact that almost anything can be destroyed instantly suits that theme of unpredictabiility that CCP has tried so hard to capture in EVE. I've never actually played it, but I've heard that those giant space penises, termed titans, can be taken out by a few good and relatively miniscule cruisers or battleships of some sort.

Now, if a tank can be crushed by a random supply depot, if lampposts can explode dropships, if shotguns can destroy heavies, well we just happened to be in the wrong place in the wrong time, or we weren't playing correctly, or the other side (in the case of the shotgun dilemma) was playing smart.

An immortal mercenary's future is unforseeable, so it is how we handle the situation when it comes that defines us.

Think 1hk's are bad?

Try being in a 500,000 isk drop ship with maxed skills and defenses but still being 1shot by a forge gun. that cost considerably less to say the least.

No warning, only death

:(

try armor hardeners

The only gun I really have a problem with at the moment is the militia shotgun. It's a bit too good for what it costs at the moment.

This should be a game more involved in tactics and teamwork than a game based around 1v1.

I wasn't trying to take this conversation to vehicles. I think it's more important to balance infantry combat first, or at least alongside. That said, I feel the current dropships should be reworked to drop the gun turrets in favor of vastly more "tank" and be purely troop transport. I think that would serve the purpose more appropriately.

Anyway, My point is, if this game is truly about affording the battlefield, and prices are a means of "balance", then why is it someone with a 5k or less dropsuit can one-shot a suit that costs over 200k? how is that balanced on ISK?

I understand all the arguments here, and I'm not crying for a nerf really. However, I do like the sound of lowering ALL damages in this game, OR, raising all EHP (Effective Hit Points) of dropsuits.

This should be a game more involved in tactics and teamwork than a game based around 1v1. That is also why I don't think the Heavy needs much work (if any).

If you're talking proto vs. proto, I can see OHK's being a factor, or even Officer weapons. But when militia gear, like sniper rifles, shotguns, forge guns*, and grenades can do 4-500+ points of damage in one shot, that is extremely too much.

I guess what I'm asking is for weapons and armor to be balanced vs. their own tier. Militia vs. militia, etc.

I understand all dropsuits have the same base EHP (with shield/armor variants ATM) but each higher tier includes more slots and better cpu/pg to ideally allow for more EHP. I also get that damage mods are currently broken, and until they are fixed, balancing will be difficult.

Vehicles are a different story. One I would prefer to leave for a different thread, if you fine people do not mind :)

If you're talking proto vs. proto, I can see OHK's being a factor, or even Officer weapons. But when militia gear, like sniper rifles, shotguns, forge guns*, and grenades can do 4-500+ points of damage in one shot, that is extremely too much.

The OHK is the only strength of small railguns

As far as crushing with vehicles, I have a better idea than adding heavy collision damage (also a replacement for collision damage period)
Collision-based damage would go to a new "chassis" health stat to vehicles. Once the chassis health goes down all the way, the vehicle will break down, and someone will need to get out and manually repair the chassis.

Exploding because you bumped something is pretty stupid.

But how does it make sense that my dropship which weighs however many tons would get damaged from landing on someone, same thing apply's to HAV's as well. LAV's deserve the collision damage if only to stop matches from becoming demolitions derbies and AV heaven

Railguns
Forge Guns
Thale Snipers
Breach Shotguns , High Lvl Shotguns
Headshot Scrambler
Headshot Charge Sniper
My Lav

One hit kill you and its Fine why?
because a railgun shoots a charge that is as big as your head , if it hits you expect to die
same applies to forge guns
Thale Sniper is an officer weapon, rare , a sniper it deserves to be a OHK Weapon
Headshot Charge: The weapons fires so slow that you can affor to no OHK or the target runs away
Scrambler Pistol (breach variant) It requires a lot of skill to do that and it isnt easy because you only have 4 bullets
Shotguns they have tiny effective range, if you see them from afar they are dead because they dont have enought range and it is a freaking shotgun
My lav: If i run you over at 60KM/H you should die dont you think?

I agree with you Orin in that I'd like to see more EHP for all suits. It would tilt the game a little more towards tactics and a little away from twitch.

The game was like this when I first started. A lot of people running up, emptying magazine, circling around each other, reloading, emptying another magazine, jumping up and down, reloading again, finally one person dies.

Really, it wasn't even slightly fun. And it looked ridiculous.

Don't like getting OHKilled? Switch to fatsuit.

Try predicting a forge gun is about to be shot at your ship to activate a hardener.

I wasn't trying to take this conversation to vehicles. I think it's more important to balance infantry combat first, or at least alongside. That said, I feel the current dropships should be reworked to drop the gun turrets in favor of vastly more "tank" and be purely troop transport. I think that would serve the purpose more appropriately.

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I agree that sounds stupid, and I wouldn't want that much of an EHP increase, perhaps 15% or so.