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Psi R IT'S NO USE 23	Posted - 2013.02.22 11:04:00 - [1] - Quote An assault rifle deals more DPS (a lot more in fact, especially at higher tiers), costs less and is less skillpoint intensive. The fact that it has a smaller magazine is mitigated by the fact that the AR has better range AND accuracy. If the HMG at least had any AV use, but it can hardly dent a LAV... So what's the point of HMG's again?
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die 22	Posted - 2013.02.22 11:08:00 - [2] - Quote Being nerfed to crap, apparently
Rei Shepard Spectre II 72	Posted - 2013.02.22 11:14:00 - [3] - Quote Its a Support platform to breach fortified positions with a team backing it up, not a run & gun "better" assault.
XeroTheBigBoss Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 30	Posted - 2013.02.22 11:22:00 - [4] - Quote Psi R wrote: An assault rifle deals more DPS (a lot more in fact, especially at higher tiers), costs less and is less skillpoint intensive. The fact that it has a smaller magazine is mitigated by the fact that the AR has better range AND accuracy. If the HMG at least had any AV use, but it can hardly dent a LAV... So what's the point of HMG's again? I agree with you, the HMG are so damn UP! You should be able to use the HMG like a jet pack and shoot lightning bolts and fireballs out of it. All fireballs should have ATLEAST 500 splash damage. Only the same amount of range as a Assault Rifle with deadly accurate shots to match the AR in a gun fight? Screw that gimme Laser or sniper rifle range! Let's get HMG buffed please I am tired of them being so weak and never allowing me to push objectives with 1 or 2 more heavys. Also what is with our weak armor? I can only take like 2-3 clips I am supposed to be the Terminator with my HMG I should ATLEAST have 20k HP with 100k Shields CCP please stop ignoring Heavy and HMGers show THEM (TROLLED) some respect! EDIT- Please let our HMGs wreck Proto tanks too, thanks!
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 248	Posted - 2013.02.22 11:25:00 - [5] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Its a Support platform to breach fortified positions with a team backing it up, not a run & gun "better" assault. Well, I was gonna respond, but you said it way more nicely and succinctly than I would have. +1 for saving me a rant.
trollsroyce Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 165	Posted - 2013.02.22 11:30:00 - [6] - Quote Suppress ppl in a corner with it and throw a grenade there. Fun :) The only gun that can surpass a HMG suppress spray is forge gun. Forge guns are awesome.
Psi R IT'S NO USE 23	Posted - 2013.02.22 11:31:00 - [7] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: I agree with you, the HMG are so damn UP! You should be able to use the HMG like a jet pack and shoot lightning bolts and fireballs out of it. All fireballs should have ATLEAST 500 splash damage. Only the same amount of range as a Assault Rifle with deadly accurate shots to match the AR in a gun fight? Screw that gimme Laser or sniper rifle range! Let's get HMG buffed please I am tired of them being so weak and never allowing me to push objectives with 1 or 2 more heavys. Also what is with our weak armor? I can only take like 2-3 clips I am supposed to be the Terminator with my HMG I should ATLEAST have 20k HP with 100k Shields CCP please stop ignoring Heavy and HMGers show THEM (TROLLED) some respect! EDIT- Please let our HMGs wreck Proto tanks too, thanks! "OK" So the fact that HMG is inferior in nearly every way to an AR is good game balance, right, because the only other option would be making it overpowered. As for armor, that's completely bloody irrelevant since a heavy can use an AR. AR Heavy > HMG Heavy And for those of you who talk about "supporting role" of the HMG, lmao what? Oh yeah I forget what a big thing suppressing fire is in FPS gaming. That's the weakest excuse I've ever heard for a weapon being inferior to another one in nearly every aspect.
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 902	Posted - 2013.02.22 11:32:00 - [8] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: Psi R wrote: An assault rifle deals more DPS (a lot more in fact, especially at higher tiers), costs less and is less skillpoint intensive. The fact that it has a smaller magazine is mitigated by the fact that the AR has better range AND accuracy. If the HMG at least had any AV use, but it can hardly dent a LAV... So what's the point of HMG's again? I agree with you, the HMG are so damn UP! You should be able to use the HMG like a jet pack and shoot lightning bolts and fireballs out of it. All fireballs should have ATLEAST 500 splash damage. Only the same amount of range as a Assault Rifle with deadly accurate shots to match the AR in a gun fight? Screw that gimme Laser or sniper rifle range! Let's get HMG buffed please I am tired of them being so weak and never allowing me to push objectives with 1 or 2 more heavys. Also what is with our weak armor? I can only take like 2-3 clips I am supposed to be the Terminator with my HMG I should ATLEAST have 20k HP with 100k Shields CCP please stop ignoring Heavy and HMGers show THEM (TROLLED) some respect! EDIT- Please let our HMGs wreck Proto tanks too, thanks! What is a clip? I thunk you meant magazine, common mistake for cod kiddies. Anyway 2 magazine would equal 3600 dmg, or 3x as much hp as a tanked advanced heavy. (assuming dmg is 30, and skills and dmg mods arnt taken into account) You either suck at aiming or just like to make stuff up.
XeroTheBigBoss Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 30	Posted - 2013.02.22 11:32:00 - [9] - Quote Psi R wrote: XeroTheBigBoss wrote: I agree with you, the HMG are so damn UP! You should be able to use the HMG like a jet pack and shoot lightning bolts and fireballs out of it. All fireballs should have ATLEAST 500 splash damage. Only the same amount of range as a Assault Rifle with deadly accurate shots to match the AR in a gun fight? Screw that gimme Laser or sniper rifle range! Let's get HMG buffed please I am tired of them being so weak and never allowing me to push objectives with 1 or 2 more heavys. Also what is with our weak armor? I can only take like 2-3 clips I am supposed to be the Terminator with my HMG I should ATLEAST have 20k HP with 100k Shields CCP please stop ignoring Heavy and HMGers show THEM (TROLLED) some respect! EDIT- Please let our HMGs wreck Proto tanks too, thanks! "OK" So the fact that HMG is inferior in nearly every way to an AR is good game balance, right, because the only other option would be making it overpowered. As for armor, that's completely bloody irrelevant since a heavy can use an AR. AR Heavy > HMG Heavy And for those of you who talk about "supporting role" of the HMG, lmao what? Oh yeah I forget what a big thing suppressing fire is in FPS gaming. That's the weakest excuse I've ever heard for a weapon being inferior to another one in nearly every aspect. You're obviously bad at HMG.
Tectonious Falcon The Southern Legion 395	Posted - 2013.02.22 11:42:00 - [10] - Quote I use heavy HMG and have a 5.20 k/d (not that k/d really matters in DUST). Nothing wrong with it. Although from what I've been told 5.20 makes me barely decent.

Rei Shepard Spectre II 72	Posted - 2013.02.22 11:49:00 - [11] - Quote Quote: Well, I was gonna respond, but you said it way more nicely and succinctly than I would have. +1 for saving me a rant. :) Quote: And for those of you who talk about "supporting role" of the HMG, lmao what? Oh yeah I forget what a big thing suppressing fire is in FPS gaming. That's the weakest excuse I've ever heard for a weapon being inferior to another one in nearly every aspect. The role of the HMG is meant to dispatch groups of enemies all packed in close quarter combat without the need to reload its weapon and to cause panic between the opposing soldiers where they cannot efficiently discharge their weapon at the target. Some will defend, they die, some will panic and run, leaving the ones that are fighting to die its a vicious circle of Chaos. An assault trooper would at this point be overwhelmed by the opposing force counter assault force because it will not put fear into the enemies, they will counter it more efficiently and less troops will shift into flee mode. Most heavy weapons that are carried by troops are in a Supporting Role, because they themselves cannot maneuver fast enough to be called Assault. An assault on the other hand has the means to dictate rules of engagement when 1 vs 1 and has a choice to run or gun depending on various factors, like cover, range to target, team members nearby the heavy suit cannot dictate these rules because it lacks mobility and requires it's team to get it into a appropriate firing position. Once it gets there it can devastate the enemy. Hence, its a SUPPORT platform...
XeroTheBigBoss Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 30	Posted - 2013.02.22 11:49:00 - [12] - Quote Tectonious Falcon wrote: I use heavy HMG and have a 5.20 k/d (not that k/d really matters in DUST). Nothing wrong with it. Although from what I've been told 5.20 makes me barely decent. So, from a "barely decent" Heavy. Do you feel your HMG is weak?
Rei Shepard Spectre II 72	Posted - 2013.02.22 12:01:00 - [13] - Quote Quote: Although from what I've been told 5.20 makes me barely decent. Really depends if that figure is from playing constantly solo or in a dedicated team, it also doesn't say anything about sitting on-top of unreachable buildings or inside a corp battle fitted tank. Currently it seems to be a E-Peen thing people go at unimaginable lengths for to preserve it, up to the point of shutting off the PS3 when cornered.
J Lav Lost-Legion 28	Posted - 2013.02.22 12:25:00 - [14] - Quote I feel like the battlefield in Public matches is too varied to really have a good idea what an HMG's true power curve is. One game, you'll eat people up like chaff, and the next you'll get owned by scouts with a militia AR. I've had one game go 12-1, while the next is 4-12. You really have no idea what you're facing until you're in the thick of it. You really need help as a heavy to do well, unless you're awesome with a forge gun. Forge guns are awesome in the right hands.
Coleman Gray Coalition Of Goverments 47	Posted - 2013.02.22 13:02:00 - [15] - Quote HMG can kll multiple people in quick succession without rneed to reload or even ake your finger off the trigger. AR's are good for one vs one but when your caught off guard or outnumbered your dead without killing anyone or at best 1 person? A HMG will kill 2-3 unless you can;t shoot.
neausea 1987 Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.02.22 13:08:00 - [16] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Its a Support platform to breach fortified positions with a team backing it up, not a run & gun "better" assault. yeah i would say in this game until you get your range up it for short range grindage hell it's a great force multiplier and i have been saved by a heavy plenty of times. heavy seems to have a fear factor to it as well when you see all these bluberries run at the sound of that gun rotating priceless
Psi R IT'S NO USE 23	Posted - 2013.02.22 13:18:00 - [17] - Quote Tectonious Falcon wrote: I use heavy HMG and have a 5.20 k/d (not that k/d really matters in DUST). Nothing wrong with it. Although from what I've been told 5.20 makes me barely decent. K/D is irrelevant to the question at hand, HMG is by no means a handicap the the point that you can't kill people. It's just vastly inferior to the AR. Rei Shepard wrote: The role of the HMG is meant to dispatch groups of enemies all packed in close quarter combat without the need to reload its weapon and to cause panic between the opposing soldiers where they cannot efficiently discharge their weapon at the target. Some will defend, they die, some will panic and run, leaving the ones that are fighting to die its a vicious circle of Chaos. An assault trooper would at this point be overwhelmed by the opposing force counter assault force because it will not put fear into the enemies, they will counter it more efficiently and less troops will shift into flee mode. Most heavy weapons that are carried by troops are in a Supporting Role, because they themselves cannot maneuver fast enough to be called Assault. An assault on the other hand has the means to dictate rules of engagement when 1 vs 1 and has a choice to run or gun depending on various factors, like cover, range to target, team members nearby the heavy suit cannot dictate these rules because it lacks mobility and requires it's team to get it into a appropriate firing position. Once it gets there it can devastate the enemy. Hence, its a SUPPORT platform... I'm sorry but this is just delusional. The role that you speak of here doesn't exist, even a Heavy suit will die before he can kill anyone if targeted by more than two decent players. First you claim the HMG is a support weapon and then you claim it's a weapon for killing entire groups of people? Yeah... no. Besides, were the heavy suit to use an AR instead he could kill much faster and give less time for the opposing team to respond to the threat. Not to mention the whole rambling about the heavy suit being too slow to assault, which also goes against the notion that HMG would be suited for taking out group of packed enemies.
Psi R IT'S NO USE 23	Posted - 2013.02.22 13:19:00 - [18] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: HMG can kll multiple people in quick succession without rneed to reload or even ake your finger off the trigger. AR's are good for one vs one but when your caught off guard or outnumbered your dead without killing anyone or at best 1 person? A HMG will kill 2-3 unless you can;t shoot. So will an AR, and faster to boot. Your point being?
Rei Shepard Spectre II 72	Posted - 2013.02.22 13:42:00 - [19] - Quote Psi R wrote: Tectonious Falcon wrote: I use heavy HMG and have a 5.20 k/d (not that k/d really matters in DUST). Nothing wrong with it. Although from what I've been told 5.20 makes me barely decent. K/D is irrelevant to the question at hand, HMG is by no means a handicap the the point that you can't kill people. It's just vastly inferior to the AR. Rei Shepard wrote: The role of the HMG is meant to dispatch groups of enemies all packed in close quarter combat without the need to reload its weapon and to cause panic between the opposing soldiers where they cannot efficiently discharge their weapon at the target. Some will defend, they die, some will panic and run, leaving the ones that are fighting to die its a vicious circle of Chaos. An assault trooper would at this point be overwhelmed by the opposing force counter assault force because it will not put fear into the enemies, they will counter it more efficiently and less troops will shift into flee mode. Most heavy weapons that are carried by troops are in a Supporting Role, because they themselves cannot maneuver fast enough to be called Assault. An assault on the other hand has the means to dictate rules of engagement when 1 vs 1 and has a choice to run or gun depending on various factors, like cover, range to target, team members nearby the heavy suit cannot dictate these rules because it lacks mobility and requires it's team to get it into a appropriate firing position. Once it gets there it can devastate the enemy. Hence, its a SUPPORT platform... I'm sorry but this is just delusional. The role that you speak of here doesn't exist, even a Heavy suit will die before he can kill anyone if targeted by more than two decent players. First you claim the HMG is a support weapon and then you claim it's a weapon for killing entire groups of people? Yeah... no. Besides, were the heavy suit to use an AR instead he could kill much faster and give less time for the opposing team to respond to the threat. Not to mention the whole rambling about the heavy suit being too slow to assault, which also goes against the notion that HMG would be suited for taking out group of packed enemies. You seem to lack basic reading comprehension, otherwise you would have known all points you bring back to me have been discussed in my post. So there is no need to post them again. Except Quote: I'm sorry but this is just delusional. The role that you speak of here doesn't exist, even a Heavy suit will die before he can kill anyone if targeted by more than two decent players. I am not sure why you feel a Heavy Suit with a HMG should automatically beat 2 decent players ? Does it come with an Aimbot ? No it doesnt... First of all i am 99% assault, 1% Heavy whenever i need a heavy...even forge gun when theres a tank and i can swap gear. With Assault-II and a basic AR i can go as far as 44/0, with a heavy 30/0 solo and my ability at mowing down enough people to reach 44/0 in an ambush game is only hindered by my inability to move from battle site to battle sit... My Heavy has 200 ish shields and 700 something armor, ive gone trough 3 opposing heaves facing MY way with HMG before they got trough my crappy 200 shields and i had HALF my ammo drum left... Its called taking advantage of cover, shooting them in the face and putting them in a disadvantaged position so that none of these guys had a clear shot. I dont like to say it ...but maybe you need to L2P?
Talruum Tezztarozza Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 74	Posted - 2013.02.22 13:46:00 - [20] - Quote The actual point of machinegun in any game ever created is to provide a suppressive continuous fire. In some game, it is there merely for support. In some game it is simply devastated. As long as its fire is continuous, it serve its purpose. In short: Largest magazine. That is the true purpose of HMG

Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 906	Posted - 2013.02.22 13:51:00 - [21] - Quote Close range crowd control. That's why increase the spread for the gun rather than tweaking anything else would be perfect.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 72	Posted - 2013.02.22 14:05:00 - [22] - Quote Psi R wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: HMG can kll multiple people in quick succession without rneed to reload or even ake your finger off the trigger. AR's are good for one vs one but when your caught off guard or outnumbered your dead without killing anyone or at best 1 person? A HMG will kill 2-3 unless you can;t shoot. So will an AR, and faster to boot. Your point being? Hmm checking you up ingame with a 1.26 KDR your credibility of being able to kill 2-3 people with an assault rifle takes a nosedive, sorry to break it but if you are bad the Heavy + HMG combo is a crutch not an invincible suit of armor to close the skillgap between bad & good players. Good player will always > Bad player, also the reason why so many people reach for hacks & cheats on PC Shooters.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 248	Posted - 2013.02.22 14:18:00 - [23] - Quote Ask any experienced heavy who's thrown on an Exile. Heavy suit + AR = Veteran Mode. With a heavy suit, you loose all of your ability to manuver, half of your strafe speed, and you have almost no ability to jump. You gain slightly reduced recoil (heavier suits have less recoil), slightly more HP, and slower turning speed (a plus for people who have trouble keeping the crosshairs on the enemy), but that's not enough to make up for loosing the firepower you get with the HMG. Max your heavy weapon sharpshooter proficiency, and you have about the same range as an AR at lvl 3~4 light weapon sharpshooter. It's not the same range, but it is a considerable range for such a beastly weapon. And with the current spread, around half of your rounds will hit at that range once your HMG is halfway heated up. And that's plenty when you are spitting out 2000RPM.
Gelan Corbaine BetaMax. 103	Posted - 2013.02.22 15:26:00 - [24] - Quote Give me a good logibro and I can nail down a team of 6 or 7 in a corner making them unable to move . Give me one good Assault along with that and they all die screaming. I set em up for my buddy to easily take em down .
Illuminaughty-696 Omega Risk Control Services 203	Posted - 2013.02.22 16:01:00 - [25] - Quote Uninformed post by OP, or willful ingorance if he continues to ignore all the good advice in this thread. HMGs are about right for the first time in a long time. Not too powerful, and definitely no longer crap like they were for a time. Some minor fine tuning? Perhaps. Are they weaker than an AR? LMAO.
Psi R IT'S NO USE 23	Posted - 2013.02.22 16:57:00 - [26] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: [quote=Psi R]Hmm checking you up ingame with a 1.26 KDR your credibility of being able to kill 2-3 people with an assault rifle takes a nosedive, sorry to break it but if you are bad the Heavy + HMG combo is a crutch not an invincible suit of armor to close the skillgap between bad & good players. Good player will always > Bad player, also the reason why so many people reach for hacks & cheats on PC Shooters. Uhm, no. The fact that I haven't given two *** about my KDR bears no meaning to the conversation at hand. Also, neither does yours. The fact that you try to resort to such petty reasoning instead of confronting the argument at hand underlines how wrong you are. Are you denying that an AR will kill 3 people with a magazine? Are you denying that it will do it faster? Dear lord these forums are ****.
Psi R IT'S NO USE 23	Posted - 2013.02.22 16:58:00 - [27] - Quote Illuminaughty-696 wrote: Uninformed post by OP, or willful ingorance if he continues to ignore all the good advice in this thread. HMGs are about right for the first time in a long time. Not too powerful, and definitely no longer crap like they were for a time. Some minor fine tuning? Perhaps. Are they weaker than an AR? LMAO. So other than the clip size, how are they not weaker in every single aspect? And if you think clipsize justifies such a huge sacrifice, lmao.
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 187	Posted - 2013.02.22 17:02:00 - [28] - Quote http://youtu.be/XlOTm64A9nc This thread in a nutshell^ Also this... http://youtu.be/3Rrng_WmV9I
Psi R IT'S NO USE 23	Posted - 2013.02.22 17:09:00 - [29] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: You seem to lack basic reading comprehension, otherwise you would have known all points you bring back to me have been discussed in my post. So there is no need to post them again. Except Quote: I'm sorry but this is just delusional. The role that you speak of here doesn't exist, even a Heavy suit will die before he can kill anyone if targeted by more than two decent players. I am not sure why you feel a Heavy Suit with a HMG should automatically beat 2 decent players ? Does it come with an Aimbot ? No it doesnt... First of all i am 99% assault, 1% Heavy whenever i need a heavy...even forge gun when theres a tank and i can swap gear. With Assault-II and a basic AR i can go as far as 44/0, with a heavy 30/0 solo and my ability at mowing down enough people to reach 44/0 in an ambush game is only hindered by my inability to move from battle site to battle sit... My Heavy has 200 ish shields and 700 something armor, ive gone trough 3 opposing heaves facing MY way with HMG before they got trough my crappy 200 shields and i had HALF my ammo drum left... Its called taking advantage of cover, shooting them in the face and putting them in a disadvantaged position so that none of these guys had a clear shot. I dont like to say it ...but maybe you need to L2P? Wow, and you talk about reading comprehension? In WHAT way did I state that heavies should automatically beat 2 other non-heavy players? You were the one who described the role of a heavy as someone who goes into a group of people and kills them without having to reload, causing "panic". I'm stating that the opposite is true, that if all players involved can aim somewhat the heavy is simple unable to take on groups of players alone. The large magazine capacity doesn't mean anything if you don't get the time to use it and why are we pretending that the reload time of the AR is an issue? Also, let me repeat. The heavy suit is FINE, the HMG is not. Nor have I stated anything about my own ability to kill, when I play a normal game I typically go around 3-4:1 and that's using this ****** gamepad and running around unsupported in public games with less SP than most of you involved in the topic.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 72	Posted - 2013.02.22 17:25:00 - [30] - Quote Quote: In WHAT way did I state that heavies should automatically beat 2 other non-heavy players? You were the one who described the role of a heavy as someone who goes into a group of people and kills them without having to reload, causing "panic". You said, that a heavy cant do a damn thing if 2-3 people are shooting at it. Quote: I'm stating that the opposite is true, that if all players involve can aim somewhat the heavy is simple unable to take on groups of players alone. The large magazine capacity doesn't mean anything if you don't get the time to use it and why are we pretending that the reload time of the AR is an issue? Hey, you just described a Support class, awesome for you. You just said: Quote: In WHAT way did I state that heavies should automatically beat 2 other non-heavy players? but you are already talking about how it is unable to take on groups of players alone ? wtf man.... Quote: Also, let me repeat. The heavy suit is FINE, the HMG is not. Nor have I stated anything about my own ability to kill, when I play a normal game I typically go around 3-4:1 and that's using this ****** gamepad and running around unsupported in public games with less SP than most of you involved in the topic. If in each game you go 3-4:1 you should be in the 3-4 KDR not 1.26, witch is barely 1:1. Idd say look up what makes a Support weapon in RL, then get back to us, being able to use the M60 like a rambo in COD does not make it actual RL design so. I play Solo as-well, but any team that has roughly the same amount of skill as i do will be almost impossible to crack. What you are asking for is that they make the HMG into something that can just mow down any resistance, regardless of skill. The HMG is fine whenever i use it, but feels underpowered whenever i face one, be it in a heavy suit or Assault, and then there are the people that are better at me using the HMG, with skills in it and obvious aiming skills. Sorry to break it to you man, but there are people better then Myself and better then you actually playing this game.

Blind Nojoy G I A N T 14	Posted - 2013.02.22 17:26:00 - [31] - Quote I use it for area denial; defending objectives. It's a great cleanup weapon, to finish off a swarm of shield-less attackers, or to get some rounds in some guys and let the AR bubbas finish them off. I admit that I am putting some skill points into AR and assault. It's frustrating in pub matches to get on a team with crappy BBs and get swarmed by some militia AR users. So why lose my 80000 isk fitting when I can run my 9000 isk AR suit in a rough match if I'm going to just go 9/4 or something like that anyhow, regardless of my fitting. Bottom line is, as already stated, it's a support weapon. Used properly in a CB, with a coordinated team, it's very effective at its job. I'm starting to go away from it in pub matches more and more though. Any further nerfing will make it pretty much irrelevant.
Volgair Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 200	Posted - 2013.02.22 17:40:00 - [32] - Quote Psi R wrote: An assault rifle deals more DPS (a lot more in fact, especially at higher tiers), costs less and is less skillpoint intensive. The fact that it has a smaller magazine is mitigated by the fact that the AR has better range AND accuracy. If the HMG at least had any AV use, but it can hardly dent a LAV... So what's the point of HMG's again? Hopefully to one day provide cover fire and killing any one that dares engage it in CQC with out cover. To make that happen however, Heavy's will need a lot more EHP in the Proto range then they currently have to make it cost effective, and truly useful.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 642	Posted - 2013.02.22 17:56:00 - [33] - Quote Tectonious Falcon wrote: I use heavy HMG and have a 5.20 k/d (not that k/d really matters in DUST). Nothing wrong with it. Although from what I've been told 5.20 makes me barely decent. Well the way it's "OP" right now, you're suppose to have 100 kd at least. Tankers go 50+ in skirmish, so a heavy is suppose to go at least 70-80/0 every game because tanks are fine and heavies are OP.
Fornacis Fairchild Kat 5 Kaos 25	Posted - 2013.02.22 18:18:00 - [34] - Quote Its group support providing "Spray and Pray".
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 642	Posted - 2013.02.22 18:21:00 - [35] - Quote Fornacis Fairchild wrote: Its group support providing "Spray and Pray". And does a heavy get WP for doing this? How is he suppose to fund his suits and guns by just "supporting"? Getting assist points while dying cuz all he's good at is supporting? Yeah that's the reason people want to be heavies...they love getting assist points and not making a profit at the end of a match.
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 187	Posted - 2013.02.22 18:23:00 - [36] - Quote Fornacis Fairchild wrote: Its group support providing "Spray and Pray". The problem is there are to many idiots that think it should be a rambo/slayer class. Spool time will put the herpy derps in their place.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 642	Posted - 2013.02.22 18:26:00 - [37] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: Fornacis Fairchild wrote: Its group support providing "Spray and Pray". The problem is there are to many idiots that think it should be a rambo/slayer class. Spool time will put the herpy derps in their place. So having a spool time on a CQC weapon makes sense? By that logic shotguns also need a "spool time" by means of charging before they shoot no? Spool time means a ranged weapon, so in that case, give the Assault HMG a spool time, but decrease spread and increase dmg.
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 187	Posted - 2013.02.22 18:42:00 - [38] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: Fornacis Fairchild wrote: Its group support providing "Spray and Pray". The problem is there are to many idiots that think it should be a rambo/slayer class. Spool time will put the herpy derps in their place. So having a spool time on a CQC weapon makes sense? By that logic shotguns also need a "spool time" by means of charging before they shoot no? Spool time means a ranged weapon, so in that case, give the Assault HMG a spool time, but decrease spread and increase dmg. The spool time will force HMG users to play the objective. The range nerf will help enforce it. The HMG should not be rambo class with the same range as an AR. Spool time without a range nerf and you will see lots of heavies camping table top with sharpshooter V. Range nerf without spool time and we will still have rambos with HMG. Range nerf and spool time will put HMG users where they should be.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.22 18:48:00 - [39] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: Range nerf and spool time will put HMG users where they should be. Yeah, in a trashcan, no wait... that's probably where you want them to be. Increase the spread at a distance and there, problem solved. It's not like they're useful at a distance anyway. As for their purpose? They kill people.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 642	Posted - 2013.02.22 18:50:00 - [40] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: Fornacis Fairchild wrote: Its group support providing "Spray and Pray". The problem is there are to many idiots that think it should be a rambo/slayer class. Spool time will put the herpy derps in their place. So having a spool time on a CQC weapon makes sense? By that logic shotguns also need a "spool time" by means of charging before they shoot no? Spool time means a ranged weapon, so in that case, give the Assault HMG a spool time, but decrease spread and increase dmg. The spool time will force HMG users to play the objective. The range nerf will help enforce it. The HMG should not be rambo class with the same range as an AR. Spool time without a range nerf and you will see lots of heavies camping table top with sharpshooter V. Range nerf without spool time and we will still have rambos with HMG. Range nerf and spool time will put HMG users where they should be. Play the objective? lolwut? Have you played as a heavy? If you did you'll know by the time we actually reach an objective it's just a matter of killing who's there. Or watch the person's who's hacking back. You logic makes ZERO sense...to the point where I think you're just trolling at this point. As is, it's not a rambo class. Any heavy who thinks he's rambo gets mowed down. I've seen these heavies and I lol everytime I put them down. "Spool time without a range nerf and you will see lots of heavies camping table top with sharpshooter V."... So heavies are nerfed in CQC with your spool time idea, but they're suppose to play the objective without range... lolwut? again...so they're suppose to engage enemies, while having no range, also while having a spool time? Just say you don't want HMG's in the game. You know, for supposed "good players" I see allot of them crying over heavies + HMG's... i guess these good players aren't as good as people give them credit for huh.

Psi R IT'S NO USE 23	Posted - 2013.02.22 18:51:00 - [41] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: You said, that a heavy cant do a damn thing if 2-3 people are shooting at it. Because you describe the HMG role as a weapon intended to go into groups of large amounts of people and kill 2-3 people without reloading where an AR would have had to reload and died as a result of it.. so really you were talking about killing 2-3 people in mere seconds. Quote: Hey, you just described a Support class, awesome for you. How the hell is it a support class when it doesn't actually support anything? Suppressive fire is not a thing for infantry in Dust. Quote: If in each game you go 3-4:1 you should be in the 3-4 KDR not 1.26, witch is barely 1:1 If you really want to know my clones life story... I started out ***** around, exploring the maps, dying in 200 carfires etc. By the time I had racked up an impressive number of deaths I noticed that the KDR is logged and starting from a 0.8kdr ratio I'm now at 1.3kdr. You see, maintaining my current 3-4:1 ish KDR I would need to play hundreds of games to get to that point again due to how you know, math works. Not that KDR matters, if you roll in public games with your friends, have 2m+ SP, leave losing games and do nothing but sniping all day and use your favored setup (M/KB is so much better, sadly I do not have it where I am) then there's no reason why you shouldn't be 10:1 or better if you don't about. Now will you please shut the hell up about KDR in a discussion where it has no relevance. Quote:** What you are asking for is that they make the HMG into something that can just mow down any resistance, regardless of skill. I haven't asked for ANYTHING. All I'm saying is that the HMG brings little to no value to the table currently. Whether or not the AR should be pecked down a notch, the HMG should be improved or perhaps even completely reworked, I'm not to say. Maybe Heavy Suits could be reworked in a way that'd solve the issue? I am not one to say because I haven't played the game nearly enough.
myBad Furry Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 17	Posted - 2013.02.22 18:54:00 - [42] - Quote Psi R wrote: An assault rifle deals more DPS (a lot more in fact, especially at higher tiers), costs less and is less skillpoint intensive. The fact that it has a smaller magazine is mitigated by the fact that the AR has better range AND accuracy. If the HMG at least had any AV use, but it can hardly dent a LAV... So what's the point of HMG's again? its to hold down a point with 1 - 2 guys in a closed room now stop crying.
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 187	Posted - 2013.02.22 19:13:00 - [43] - Quote myBad Furry wrote: Psi R wrote: An assault rifle deals more DPS (a lot more in fact, especially at higher tiers), costs less and is less skillpoint intensive. The fact that it has a smaller magazine is mitigated by the fact that the AR has better range AND accuracy. If the HMG at least had any AV use, but it can hardly dent a LAV... So what's the point of HMG's again? its to hold down a point with 1 - 2 guys in a closed room now stop crying. Lance I have seen you running around like rambo and I have punished you for doing it. Trying to act like you don't play the class outside of its role isn't going to stop the nerf hammer. Range nerf and spool time will force HMG users to play the objective. Right now HMG is the ultimate rambo class. My hmg alt has a 9 kdr and I don't even take my stats seriously on that account. I run around like rambo and wreck everyone. Keep defending HMGs though. You look incredibly foolish in my eyes. Thats almost double digit KDR and I didn't even have to try.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 642	Posted - 2013.02.22 19:18:00 - [44] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: myBad Furry wrote: Psi R wrote: An assault rifle deals more DPS (a lot more in fact, especially at higher tiers), costs less and is less skillpoint intensive. The fact that it has a smaller magazine is mitigated by the fact that the AR has better range AND accuracy. If the HMG at least had any AV use, but it can hardly dent a LAV... So what's the point of HMG's again? its to hold down a point with 1 - 2 guys in a closed room now stop crying. Lance I have seen you running around like rambo and I have punished you for doing it. Trying to and act like you don't play the class outside of its role isn't going to stop the nerf hammer. Range nerf and spool time will force HMG users to play the objective. Right now HMG is the ultimate rambo class. My hmg alt has a 9 kdr and I don't even take my stats seriously on that account. I run around like rambo and wreck everyone. Keep defending HMGs though. You look incredibly foolish in my eyes. I played against you once. Rambo you say? I played around my squad everytime. Everyime you see me I can guarantee you my squad is right there, at least 1 member. If I ever move out into the open is to back my squad. I know exactly how to play my role. You act like KD means anything in pub games. My KD is 8.6 and I've played 30+ corp games. You're acting like playing an AR, with sharpshooter lvl 5 is hard...lol. Everyime I saw you, you were hiding behind the STB guys...beasting it up! I look foolish in your eyes...OMFG!!! PLEASE NO! NOT IN YOUR EYES!!! Btw... you quoted the wrong person...and I'm the foolish one?...... GG
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 187	Posted - 2013.02.22 19:29:00 - [45] - Quote You tried to 1 vs 1 me on my roof at my objective by yourself...(wasn't a good idea) Rambo much? Even if you do play your role as it should be most of the time that doesn't change the fact that 75% of HMG users run all over the map like rambo. Small range nerf+short spool up time will fix this. If you really do play HMG like it should be played then range nerf and spool time won't effect you anyways.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 642	Posted - 2013.02.22 19:34:00 - [46] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: You tried to 1 vs 1 me on my roof at my objective by yourself...(wasn't a good idea) Rambo much? Even if you do play your role as it should be most of the time that doesn't change the fact that 75% of HMG users run all over the map like rambo. Small range nerf+short spool up time will fix this. If you really do play HMG like it should be played then range nerf and spool time won't effect you anyways. LOOOL at the start of the game?! I wanted to get on the roof, to you know what? Support my squad when they're attacking A. The only reason I rushed up there without checking to see if anyone was there was because I was getting surrounded. So when I reached there, I saw 2 people, Calamity Jane was 1, and I guess you were the other one, and jumped down and got killed. 1v1 you say? HAHAHAHAA... good one. You were too busy hiding behind people to 1v1 anyone...sorry to say. Next time just put "trolololol" in your reply to people because that's what you're trying to do.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.22 19:36:00 - [47] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: it should be played And you have the right to dictate how it should be played why exactly? "It should be CQC weapon, so give it the range of an SMG", It does best in CQC, that doesn't make it a CQC weapon only, you're trying to force it to be one... and a useless one at that. All you want to do is turn HMG's into the next nova knives. The HMG is fine as is. No buffs, no nerfs, just leave it as is. Nerf the HMG and I will just switch over to an AR, or a shotgun for CQC. That seems to be what you want, everyone going around in ARs.
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 187	Posted - 2013.02.22 19:54:00 - [48] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: it should be played And you have the right to dictate how it should be played why exactly? "It should be CQC weapon, so give it the range of an SMG", It does best in CQC, that doesn't make it a CQC weapon only, you're trying to force it to be one... and a useless one at that. All you want to do is turn HMG's into the next nova knives. The HMG is fine as is. No buffs, no nerfs, just leave it as is. Nerf the HMG and I will just switch over to an AR, or a shotgun for CQC. That seems to be what you want, everyone going around in ARs. No I want everyone running around with HMG in assualt/scout suits with no spool up time. Golf clap for lance* it only took you a few days to figure out I was trollolololing you. For real though, I was the only one that roof. No one wants hmgs to have smg range. 5-10% has been thrown around a lot. Sharpshooter V on the HMG is insane though.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 642	Posted - 2013.02.22 19:55:00 - [49] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: it should be played And you have the right to dictate how it should be played why exactly? "It should be CQC weapon, so give it the range of an SMG", It does best in CQC, that doesn't make it a CQC weapon only, you're trying to force it to be one... and a useless one at that. All you want to do is turn HMG's into the next nova knives. The HMG is fine as is. No buffs, no nerfs, just leave it as is. Nerf the HMG and I will just switch over to an AR, or a shotgun for CQC. That seems to be what you want, everyone going around in ARs. No I want everyone running around with HMG in assualt/scout suits with no spool up time. Golf clap for lance* it only took you a few days to figure out I was trollolololing you. For real though, I was the only one that roof. No, you weren't. I don't jump off roofs cuz I see 1 guy... Edit: tbh, from the time I saw Calamity Jane there, I jumped off... Rambo you say? lol... can't remember seeing rambo run away from a women holding a shotgun.
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 187	Posted - 2013.02.22 20:01:00 - [50] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: it should be played And you have the right to dictate how it should be played why exactly? "It should be CQC weapon, so give it the range of an SMG", It does best in CQC, that doesn't make it a CQC weapon only, you're trying to force it to be one... and a useless one at that. All you want to do is turn HMG's into the next nova knives. The HMG is fine as is. No buffs, no nerfs, just leave it as is. Nerf the HMG and I will just switch over to an AR, or a shotgun for CQC. That seems to be what you want, everyone going around in ARs. No I want everyone running around with HMG in assualt/scout suits with no spool up time. Golf clap for lance* it only took you a few days to figure out I was trollolololing you. For real though, I was the only one that roof. No, you weren't. I don't jump off roofs cuz I see 1 guy... Jane was below the building. You lost the gunfight and jumped off.

Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 642	Posted - 2013.02.22 20:04:00 - [51] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: it should be played And you have the right to dictate how it should be played why exactly? "It should be CQC weapon, so give it the range of an SMG", It does best in CQC, that doesn't make it a CQC weapon only, you're trying to force it to be one... and a useless one at that. All you want to do is turn HMG's into the next nova knives. The HMG is fine as is. No buffs, no nerfs, just leave it as is. Nerf the HMG and I will just switch over to an AR, or a shotgun for CQC. That seems to be what you want, everyone going around in ARs. No I want everyone running around with HMG in assualt/scout suits with no spool up time. Golf clap for lance* it only took you a few days to figure out I was trollolololing you. For real though, I was the only one that roof. No, you weren't. I don't jump off roofs cuz I see 1 guy... Jane was below the building. You lost the gunfight and jumped off. smh... lost the gun fight? Your memory is bad. When I reached the top, I saw her, and started shooting while backing off the building. I assume she jumped off, but by the time I hit the ground I took a couple shots and died. I guess that's your trophy? Killing a heavy that wasn't shooting at you? Congrats I guess. I thought we were OP?
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 187	Posted - 2013.02.22 20:16:00 - [52] - Quote That was me on the roof. She was swinging around the left side of the building to flank. You must have seen her name through the building and thought I was her. I JUMPED after you when you jumped off and killed you. I remember it like it was yesterday... Becuase it was. If you do play the hmg like it should then you should be fine with a spool time and small range nerf. Considering you will still able to hold tight areas and objectives.
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 117	Posted - 2013.02.22 20:16:00 - [53] - Quote Good Afternoon Boys and Girls, Please gather around so our good friend Bleeding Moon XLV can tell us all another story. Please don't interrupt him as his vivid imagination allows for him to paint quite the picture of his imaginary settings And NO MATTER WHAT do not contradict his fictional tales. He is prone to forgetting his meds and this will often send him over the deep end. Simply smile, nod your head, and allow the boy to spin his tales for the enjoyment off all! yes Lance... this means you too
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 642	Posted - 2013.02.22 20:19:00 - [54] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: That was me on the roof. She was swinging around the left side of the building to flank. You must have seen her name through the building and I was her. I JUMPED after you when you jumped off and killed you. I remember it like it was yesterday... Becuase it was. If you do play the hmg like it should then you should be fine with a spool time and small range. Considering you will still able to hold tight areas and objectives. If I thought it was only you there, you really think I would have jumped off if I saw an AR looking at me? Please. You're not that special...sorry to burst your bubble. If I died, which I do against proto AR's easy enough, I would have stood my ground at least. Spool time is a stupid idea, and CCP won't do it.
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 187	Posted - 2013.02.22 20:20:00 - [55] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: Good Afternoon Boys and Girls, Please gather around so our good friend Bleeding Moon XLV can tell us all another story. Please don't interrupt him as his vivid imagination allows for him to paint quite the picture of his imaginary settings And NO MATTER WHAT do not contradict his fictional tales. He is prone to forgetting his meds and this will often send him over the deep end. Simply smile, nod your head, and allow the boy to spin his tales for the enjoyment off all! yes Lance... this means you too LOL I love my fans. Do you want me to sign your HMG?
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 642	Posted - 2013.02.22 20:20:00 - [56] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: Good Afternoon Boys and Girls, Please gather around so our good friend Bleeding Moon XLV can tell us all another story. Please don't interrupt him as his vivid imagination allows for him to paint quite the picture of his imaginary settings And NO MATTER WHAT do not contradict his fictional tales. He is prone to forgetting his meds and this will often send him over the deep end. Simply smile, nod your head, and allow the boy to spin his tales for the enjoyment off all! yes Lance... this means you too lol
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 187	Posted - 2013.02.22 20:22:00 - [57] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: That was me on the roof. She was swinging around the left side of the building to flank. You must have seen her name through the building and I was her. I JUMPED after you when you jumped off and killed you. I remember it like it was yesterday... Becuase it was. If you do play the hmg like it should then you should be fine with a spool time and small range. Considering you will still able to hold tight areas and objectives. If I thought it was only you there, you really think I would have jumped off if I saw an AR looking at me? Please. You're not that special...sorry to burst your bubble. If I died, which I do against proto AR's easy enough, I would have stood my ground at least. Spool time is a stupid idea, and CCP won't do it. I did have a proto AR and you didn't stand your ground Trollolol. <3 Denial is always fun. At least chicago admits to getting turned on by me. Spool time is a great idea and ccp will do it.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 642	Posted - 2013.02.22 20:26:00 - [58] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: That was me on the roof. She was swinging around the left side of the building to flank. You must have seen her name through the building and I was her. I JUMPED after you when you jumped off and killed you. I remember it like it was yesterday... Becuase it was. If you do play the hmg like it should then you should be fine with a spool time and small range. Considering you will still able to hold tight areas and objectives. If I thought it was only you there, you really think I would have jumped off if I saw an AR looking at me? Please. You're not that special...sorry to burst your bubble. If I died, which I do against proto AR's easy enough, I would have stood my ground at least. Spool time is a stupid idea, and CCP won't do it. I did have a proto AR and you didn't stand your ground Trollolol. <3 Proto AR's don't scare me... proto shotguns do. Funny you think you can kill heavies easy enough, yet you QQ about them and HMG's.... funny logic. Anyway, this just shows all these "great players" are crybabies. You're THAT great? Then HTFU. You're beast with your AR right? Then why QQ about HMG's? This thread is going around in circles now. I'm done. HTFU or keep on crying...your choice.
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 117	Posted - 2013.02.22 20:29:00 - [59] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: Good Afternoon Boys and Girls, Please gather around so our good friend Bleeding Moon XLV can tell us all another story. Please don't interrupt him as his vivid imagination allows for him to paint quite the picture of his imaginary settings And NO MATTER WHAT do not contradict his fictional tales. He is prone to forgetting his meds and this will often send him over the deep end. Simply smile, nod your head, and allow the boy to spin his tales for the enjoyment off all! yes Lance... this means you too LOL I love my fans. Do you want me to sign your HMG? I'm sorry Crimson, but I had to call your boss and report you. I know you do enjoy story time, and as much as it is good for you to read 3rd grade books aloud, helping with that stage fright as well, you taking 1hr 10min to deliver my SaMMich 2 BLOCKS is simply unacceptable. PLUS, I open it up and you took a bite out of it! I know its a great SaMMich... Jimmy Johns is awesome, but the big allure is their 'freaky fast' delivery, which sad to say you failed at. O well, I guess I should be thanking you as I now get 5 free SaMMiches for the inconvenience. I do apologize for demanding you lose your job for sampling my SaMMich tho, but I get rather possessive over my food. don't fret though, it certainly appears you have a budding future in children's storytelling. Just make sure to keep off that sex offender's list... tough profession to be successful in if you get on that list
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 187	Posted - 2013.02.22 20:31:00 - [60] - Quote You need to take your own advice and HTFU and stop crying about spool time. Last I heard it has been confirmed in IRC. EDIT-LOL chicago stop ranting about sammiches. I found my pen if you still want me to sign your HMG.

Vin Vicious Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 14	Posted - 2013.02.22 20:40:00 - [61] - Quote im tired of answering these whiny threads about guns, so im gunna keep it short. HMG is support class, go into any match with two-three heavies running around WITH THEIR TEAM and they'll win that match. dont base their roles on a typical pubby match, considering they are usually always one sided ( caused by 6-8 snipers doing nothing for the team.)
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 642	Posted - 2013.02.22 20:40:00 - [62] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: You need to take your own advice and HTFU and stop crying about spool time. Last I heard it has been confirmed in IRC. EDIT-LOL chicago stop ranting about sammiches. I found my pen if you still want me to sign your HMG. lol good one....confirmation in IRC... I'll wait and see that. If CCP does that I'm done with this game, as they would have shown they listen to crybabies. "WAAAAA THE HMG NEED SPOOL TIME... but hey, I'm a beast player!" lol
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.22 20:43:00 - [63] - Quote I'll QQ about whatever I want thank you very much, it might actually get something done, just like all those other QQ threads have apparently convinced CCP to nerf the HMG.
Vin Vicious Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 14	Posted - 2013.02.22 20:46:00 - [64] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: I'll QQ about whatever I want thank you very much, it might actually get something done, just like all those other QQ threads have apparently convinced CCP to nerf the HMG. cool, you whiners will get the game changed so much, it wont even be DUST 514 anymore, itll be WHINE 247
KryptixX Imperfects Negative-Feedback 321	Posted - 2013.02.22 20:46:00 - [65] - Quote Psi R wrote: An assault rifle deals more DPS (a lot more in fact, especially at higher tiers), costs less and is less skillpoint intensive. The fact that it has a smaller magazine is mitigated by the fact that the AR has better range AND accuracy. If the HMG at least had any AV use, but it can hardly dent a LAV... So what's the point of HMG's again? So is your problem that AR's have more range? Or that they are more accurate? Because HMGs out DPS ARs 10/10 if you can hit with at least half of the shots... I think your problem lies with you running out of cover, not using the HMG in its optimal range, and overall just being bad at the game.
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 187	Posted - 2013.02.22 20:47:00 - [66] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: You need to take your own advice and HTFU and stop crying about spool time. Last I heard it has been confirmed in IRC. EDIT-LOL chicago stop ranting about sammiches. I found my pen if you still want me to sign your HMG. lol good one....confirmation in IRC... I'll wait and see that. If CCP does that I'm done with this game, as they would have shown they listen to crybabies. "WAAAAA THE HMG NEED SPOOL TIME... but hey, I'm a beast player!" lol Can I have your stuff at least? Half a second spool time and a 5% range nerf will not break the HMG. The good heavies will be fine. Its not even that big of a nerf compared to what ccp did to the creadron AR.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.22 20:54:00 - [67] - Quote Vin Vicious wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: I'll QQ about whatever I want thank you very much, it might actually get something done, just like all those other QQ threads have apparently convinced CCP to nerf the HMG. cool, you whiners will get the game changed so much, it wont even be DUST 514 anymore, itll be WHINE 247 You whiners? Hey if If my HMG gets nerfed, then why shouldn't everything else? because I guarantee you that's where this game is going if CCP keeps listening to the QQers, which you seem to think I'm a part of for some reason.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 72	Posted - 2013.02.22 22:01:00 - [68] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: You need to take your own advice and HTFU and stop crying about spool time. Last I heard it has been confirmed in IRC. EDIT-LOL chicago stop ranting about sammiches. I found my pen if you still want me to sign your HMG. lol good one....confirmation in IRC... I'll wait and see that. If CCP does that I'm done with this game, as they would have shown they listen to crybabies. "WAAAAA THE HMG NEED SPOOL TIME... but hey, I'm a beast player!" lol Can I have your stuff at least? Half a second spool time and a 5% range nerf will not break the HMG. The good heavies will be fine. Its not even that big of a nerf compared to what ccp did to the creadron AR. The good ones will keep it pre-spooled at all times or at least whenever they feel it is needed, the bad ones will start to spool it after taking hits to the face. Its like the bad Forge -Gunners, after a 2s charge up they abandon it because you've hit em with 2 rounds and just press em hard enough they switch to flee mode. Edit: just saying, i have no issues with how it is right now, but if they buff or nerf it i don't mind eitherway.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 22	Posted - 2013.02.23 11:57:00 - [69] - Quote RuckingFetard wrote: Being nerfed to crap, apparently By scrubs that are one-dimensional.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 22	Posted - 2013.02.23 11:58:00 - [70] - Quote trollsroyce wrote: Suppress ppl in a corner with it and throw a grenade there. Fun :) The only gun that can surpass a HMG suppress spray is forge gun. Forge guns are awesome. Did you like that orbital I dropped on your head a few days ago?

fred orpaul Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 212	Posted - 2013.02.23 12:18:00 - [71] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: Psi R wrote: An assault rifle deals more DPS (a lot more in fact, especially at higher tiers), costs less and is less skillpoint intensive. The fact that it has a smaller magazine is mitigated by the fact that the AR has better range AND accuracy. If the HMG at least had any AV use, but it can hardly dent a LAV... So what's the point of HMG's again? I agree with you, the HMG are so damn UP! You should be able to use the HMG like a jet pack and shoot lightning bolts and fireballs out of it. All fireballs should have ATLEAST 500 splash damage. Only the same amount of range as a Assault Rifle with deadly accurate shots to match the AR in a gun fight? Screw that gimme Laser or sniper rifle range! Let's get HMG buffed please I am tired of them being so weak and never allowing me to push objectives with 1 or 2 more heavys. Also what is with our weak armor? I can only take like 2-3 clips I am supposed to be the Terminator with my HMG I should ATLEAST have 20k HP with 100k Shields CCP please stop ignoring Heavy and HMGers show THEM (TROLLED) some respect! EDIT- Please let our HMGs wreck Proto tanks too, thanks! if its taking you more then a clip and a half to kill a heavy you suck, less then a clip well done sir.
James-5955 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 151	Posted - 2013.02.23 16:21:00 - [72] - Quote Lol.... Wow... HMG is pure pwnage, AR doesn't hold a candle if you use it correctly.. IE, point and shoot while staying within your optimal areas (CQC & mid range, obv). Hell, I've mowed down several people in a row with the HMG in my type II suit, the gun is ridiculous.. you can't kill that many people in one clip of AR. HMG is excellent for crowd control, run in there with a ton of HP like the walking tank you are, with a weapon that will tear up any suit within a second or two & has 500 shots before having to reload. It's beast, IDK what people are complaining about claiming that HMG is underpowered. Though I will admit, I think that AR on heavy is pretty beast, people keep claiming that it isn't great but I don't see what would be so bad about it.. play it like you would a defensive assault almost, keep the medium distance and use cover, only thing they can see is a portion of your body AND you have that much HP AND you have the ARs accuracy. IDK, guess I shouldn't knock it before I try it. I've got a heavy alt, and when I play him I laugh and realize how ridiculous I feel the HMG is. Buff it and I'll be switching to make my main my heavy xD & People trying to base weapon balance off of pub results is incredibly annoying. Some keep acting like a team of assault/AR is all you need to win, which I think is a lie. In an organized match the guys that use a variety of weapons & coordinate with each other would stomp a team full of assault/AR; easily. Oh, they're at laser range? Hey laser guy, melt them within 2 seconds. Ah, behind cover? Hey MD user... Oh they're close to the objective, send in the walking tank with the HMG & shotgunner. ARs are versatile, but against other competent players that know what they're doing they should be losing.
Hecarim Van Hohen Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 8	Posted - 2013.02.23 16:59:00 - [73] - Quote I would like to see comparison of Proto AR vs Proto HMG, DPS vs DPS HMG should be doing more dmg 10 out of 10 if I'm not mistaken in my calculations.
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 902	Posted - 2013.02.23 17:40:00 - [74] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: I'll QQ about whatever I want thank you very much, it might actually get something done, just like all those other QQ threads have apparently convinced CCP to nerf the HMG. HTFU
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 902	Posted - 2013.02.23 17:41:00 - [75] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: You need to take your own advice and HTFU and stop crying about spool time. Last I heard it has been confirmed in IRC. EDIT-LOL chicago stop ranting about sammiches. I found my pen if you still want me to sign your HMG. lol good one....confirmation in IRC... I'll wait and see that. If CCP does that I'm done with this game, as they would have shown they listen to crybabies. "WAAAAA THE HMG NEED SPOOL TIME... but hey, I'm a beast player!" lol Can I have your stuff at least? Half a second spool time and a 5% range nerf will not break the HMG. The good heavies will be fine. Its not even that big of a nerf compared to what ccp did to the creadron AR. Half a second is all it takes to kill a heavy with a GEK. Spoolup time is dumb.
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 187	Posted - 2013.02.23 17:50:00 - [76] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: You need to take your own advice and HTFU and stop crying about spool time. Last I heard it has been confirmed in IRC. EDIT-LOL chicago stop ranting about sammiches. I found my pen if you still want me to sign your HMG. lol good one....confirmation in IRC... I'll wait and see that. If CCP does that I'm done with this game, as they would have shown they listen to crybabies. "WAAAAA THE HMG NEED SPOOL TIME... but hey, I'm a beast player!" lol Can I have your stuff at least? Half a second spool time and a 5% range nerf will not break the HMG. The good heavies will be fine. Its not even that big of a nerf compared to what ccp did to the creadron AR. Half a second is all it takes to kill a heavy with a GEK. Spoolup time is dumb. Even with a duvolle and complex damage mods it takes about 2-3 seconds to kill a heavy. Just keep it spooled up.
Zyrus Amalomyn Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 29	Posted - 2013.02.23 17:53:00 - [77] - Quote Heavy Machine GUns are heavy support platforms meant for Assaulting dug in positions. This is a team game, a support logistics keeps their repair tool on them, and meanwhile the Assault suits keep the heavies flanks clear. This is basic tactics. Get your head out of the COD mentality, and you might learn something.
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 165	Posted - 2013.02.23 18:00:00 - [78] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: You need to take your own advice and HTFU and stop crying about spool time. Last I heard it has been confirmed in IRC. EDIT-LOL chicago stop ranting about sammiches. I found my pen if you still want me to sign your HMG. lol good one....confirmation in IRC... I'll wait and see that. If CCP does that I'm done with this game, as they would have shown they listen to crybabies. "WAAAAA THE HMG NEED SPOOL TIME... but hey, I'm a beast player!" lol Can I have your stuff at least? Half a second spool time and a 5% range nerf will not break the HMG. The good heavies will be fine. Its not even that big of a nerf compared to what ccp did to the creadron AR. Half a second is all it takes to kill a heavy with a GEK. Spoolup time is dumb. Even with a duvolle and complex damage mods it takes about 2-3 seconds to kill a heavy. Just keep it spooled up. Fixed: "Half a second headstart is all it takes to kill a heavy with a GEK, unless you suck. Spoolup time is dumb." And while keeping HMG spooled up in the old 1990s Alien vs Predator really added to the atmosphere, the heavy has enough issues with being big, slow, and easily seen. Adding in the non stop sound of a heavy having to keep there HMG spooled up would just just be the same as sticking a big flashing bulb on the heavy's head with a voice saying "fat f*** approaching, please throw your grenades here. Thank you, and enjoy your day"
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 187	Posted - 2013.02.23 18:09:00 - [79] - Quote There really is no reason to use an AR right now other the movement. Slap speed mods on a heavy and you have the ultimate tryhard rambo class. You might as well throw the AR in the trash with the range HMG has at sharpshooter V. Spool time will stop these people from turning this game into HMG RAMBO CoD 514. 80% of heavies play this game like rambo. Add mobility V on all these tryhard heavies and the game will be break. Its just a matter of time.
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 165	Posted - 2013.02.23 19:01:00 - [80] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: There really is no reason to use an AR right now other the movement. Slap speed mods on a heavy and you have the ultimate tryhard rambo class. You might as well throw the AR in the trash with the range HMG has at sharpshooter V. Spool time will stop these people from turning this game into HMG RAMBO CoD 514. 80% of heavies play this game like rambo. Add mobility V on all these tryhard heavies and the game will be break. Its just a matter of time. I don't know. I think it'll be the introduction in the next expansion of roller blades for heavies that will break the game. There'll be no hiding from them then. Cue a heavy grinding along a rail while tearing up everyone below. It'll be terrible carnage

Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.23 19:36:00 - [81] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: I'll QQ about whatever I want thank you very much, it might actually get something done, just like all those other QQ threads have apparently convinced CCP to nerf the HMG. HTFU . . . lol
fred orpaul Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 212	Posted - 2013.02.24 00:24:00 - [82] - Quote spool time are the stupidest thing known to man, how about some situational awareness. The HMG is like the LR in that DPS builds up....... unless the heavy sticks his gun up your pooper, in which case you deserve the instadeath.


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