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Blind Nojoy
G I A N T
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Posted - 2013.02.22 17:26:00 -
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I use it for area denial; defending objectives. It's a great cleanup weapon, to finish off a swarm of shield-less attackers, or to get some rounds in some guys and let the AR bubbas finish them off.
I admit that I am putting some skill points into AR and assault. It's frustrating in pub matches to get on a team with crappy BBs and get swarmed by some militia AR users. So why lose my 80000 isk fitting when I can run my 9000 isk AR suit in a rough match if I'm going to just go 9/4 or something like that anyhow, regardless of my fitting.
Bottom line is, as already stated, it's a support weapon. Used properly in a CB, with a coordinated team, it's very effective at its job. I'm starting to go away from it in pub matches more and more though. Any further nerfing will make it pretty much irrelevant. |
Volgair
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.22 17:40:00 -
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Psi R wrote:An assault rifle deals more DPS (a lot more in fact, especially at higher tiers), costs less and is less skillpoint intensive. The fact that it has a smaller magazine is mitigated by the fact that the AR has better range AND accuracy.
If the HMG at least had any AV use, but it can hardly dent a LAV...
So what's the point of HMG's again?
Hopefully to one day provide cover fire and killing any one that dares engage it in CQC with out cover. To make that happen however, Heavy's will need a lot more EHP in the Proto range then they currently have to make it cost effective, and truly useful. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
642
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Posted - 2013.02.22 17:56:00 -
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Tectonious Falcon wrote:I use heavy HMG and have a 5.20 k/d (not that k/d really matters in DUST). Nothing wrong with it.
Although from what I've been told 5.20 makes me barely decent.
Well the way it's "OP" right now, you're suppose to have 100 kd at least.
Tankers go 50+ in skirmish, so a heavy is suppose to go at least 70-80/0 every game because tanks are fine and heavies are OP. |
Fornacis Fairchild
Kat 5 Kaos
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Posted - 2013.02.22 18:18:00 -
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Its group support providing "Spray and Pray". |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
642
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Posted - 2013.02.22 18:21:00 -
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Fornacis Fairchild wrote:Its group support providing "Spray and Pray".
And does a heavy get WP for doing this? How is he suppose to fund his suits and guns by just "supporting"? Getting assist points while dying cuz all he's good at is supporting?
Yeah that's the reason people want to be heavies...they love getting assist points and not making a profit at the end of a match. |
Crimson Moon V
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.22 18:23:00 -
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Fornacis Fairchild wrote:Its group support providing "Spray and Pray". The problem is there are to many idiots that think it should be a rambo/slayer class. Spool time will put the herpy derps in their place. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
642
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Posted - 2013.02.22 18:26:00 -
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Crimson Moon V wrote:Fornacis Fairchild wrote:Its group support providing "Spray and Pray". The problem is there are to many idiots that think it should be a rambo/slayer class. Spool time will put the herpy derps in their place.
So having a spool time on a CQC weapon makes sense? By that logic shotguns also need a "spool time" by means of charging before they shoot no?
Spool time means a ranged weapon, so in that case, give the Assault HMG a spool time, but decrease spread and increase dmg. |
Crimson Moon V
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Posted - 2013.02.22 18:42:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Crimson Moon V wrote:Fornacis Fairchild wrote:Its group support providing "Spray and Pray". The problem is there are to many idiots that think it should be a rambo/slayer class. Spool time will put the herpy derps in their place. So having a spool time on a CQC weapon makes sense? By that logic shotguns also need a "spool time" by means of charging before they shoot no? Spool time means a ranged weapon, so in that case, give the Assault HMG a spool time, but decrease spread and increase dmg. The spool time will force HMG users to play the objective. The range nerf will help enforce it. The HMG should not be rambo class with the same range as an AR. Spool time without a range nerf and you will see lots of heavies camping table top with sharpshooter V. Range nerf without spool time and we will still have rambos with HMG.
Range nerf and spool time will put HMG users where they should be. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.22 18:48:00 -
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Crimson Moon V wrote:
Range nerf and spool time will put HMG users where they should be.
Yeah, in a trashcan, no wait... that's probably where you want them to be.
Increase the spread at a distance and there, problem solved. It's not like they're useful at a distance anyway.
As for their purpose? They kill people. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
642
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Posted - 2013.02.22 18:50:00 -
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Crimson Moon V wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Crimson Moon V wrote:Fornacis Fairchild wrote:Its group support providing "Spray and Pray". The problem is there are to many idiots that think it should be a rambo/slayer class. Spool time will put the herpy derps in their place. So having a spool time on a CQC weapon makes sense? By that logic shotguns also need a "spool time" by means of charging before they shoot no? Spool time means a ranged weapon, so in that case, give the Assault HMG a spool time, but decrease spread and increase dmg. The spool time will force HMG users to play the objective. The range nerf will help enforce it. The HMG should not be rambo class with the same range as an AR. Spool time without a range nerf and you will see lots of heavies camping table top with sharpshooter V. Range nerf without spool time and we will still have rambos with HMG. Range nerf and spool time will put HMG users where they should be.
Play the objective? lolwut? Have you played as a heavy? If you did you'll know by the time we actually reach an objective it's just a matter of killing who's there. Or watch the person's who's hacking back.
You logic makes ZERO sense...to the point where I think you're just trolling at this point.
As is, it's not a rambo class. Any heavy who thinks he's rambo gets mowed down. I've seen these heavies and I lol everytime I put them down.
"Spool time without a range nerf and you will see lots of heavies camping table top with sharpshooter V."... So heavies are nerfed in CQC with your spool time idea, but they're suppose to play the objective without range... lolwut? again...so they're suppose to engage enemies, while having no range, also while having a spool time?
Just say you don't want HMG's in the game.
You know, for supposed "good players" I see allot of them crying over heavies + HMG's... i guess these good players aren't as good as people give them credit for huh.
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Psi R
IT'S NO USE
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Posted - 2013.02.22 18:51:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:You said, that a heavy cant do a damn thing if 2-3 people are shooting at it. Because you describe the HMG role as a weapon intended to go into groups of large amounts of people and kill 2-3 people without reloading where an AR would have had to reload and died as a result of it.. so really you were talking about killing 2-3 people in mere seconds.
Quote:Hey, you just described a Support class, awesome for you. How the hell is it a support class when it doesn't actually support anything? Suppressive fire is not a thing for infantry in Dust.
Quote:If in each game you go 3-4:1 you should be in the 3-4 KDR not 1.26, witch is barely 1:1 If you really want to know my clones life story... I started out ******* around, exploring the maps, dying in 200 carfires etc. By the time I had racked up an impressive number of deaths I noticed that the KDR is logged and starting from a 0.8kdr ratio I'm now at 1.3kdr. You see, maintaining my current 3-4:1 ish KDR I would need to play hundreds of games to get to that point again due to how you know, math works. Not that KDR matters, if you roll in public games with your friends, have 2m+ SP, leave losing games and do nothing but sniping all day and use your favored setup (M/KB is so much better, sadly I do not have it where I am) then there's no reason why you shouldn't be 10:1 or better if you don't **** about.
Now will you please shut the hell up about KDR in a discussion where it has no relevance.
Quote:What you are asking for is that they make the HMG into something that can just mow down any resistance, regardless of skill. I haven't asked for ANYTHING. All I'm saying is that the HMG brings little to no value to the table currently. Whether or not the AR should be pecked down a notch, the HMG should be improved or perhaps even completely reworked, I'm not to say. Maybe Heavy Suits could be reworked in a way that'd solve the issue? I am not one to say because I haven't played the game nearly enough. |
myBad Furry
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.22 18:54:00 -
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Psi R wrote:An assault rifle deals more DPS (a lot more in fact, especially at higher tiers), costs less and is less skillpoint intensive. The fact that it has a smaller magazine is mitigated by the fact that the AR has better range AND accuracy.
If the HMG at least had any AV use, but it can hardly dent a LAV...
So what's the point of HMG's again?
its to hold down a point with 1 - 2 guys in a closed room
now stop crying. |
Crimson Moon V
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.22 19:13:00 -
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myBad Furry wrote:Psi R wrote:An assault rifle deals more DPS (a lot more in fact, especially at higher tiers), costs less and is less skillpoint intensive. The fact that it has a smaller magazine is mitigated by the fact that the AR has better range AND accuracy.
If the HMG at least had any AV use, but it can hardly dent a LAV...
So what's the point of HMG's again? its to hold down a point with 1 - 2 guys in a closed room now stop crying. Lance I have seen you running around like rambo and I have punished you for doing it. Trying to act like you don't play the class outside of its role isn't going to stop the nerf hammer. Range nerf and spool time will force HMG users to play the objective. Right now HMG is the ultimate rambo class. My hmg alt has a 9 kdr and I don't even take my stats seriously on that account. I run around like rambo and wreck everyone. Keep defending HMGs though. You look incredibly foolish in my eyes.
Thats almost double digit KDR and I didn't even have to try. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
642
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Posted - 2013.02.22 19:18:00 -
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Crimson Moon V wrote:myBad Furry wrote:Psi R wrote:An assault rifle deals more DPS (a lot more in fact, especially at higher tiers), costs less and is less skillpoint intensive. The fact that it has a smaller magazine is mitigated by the fact that the AR has better range AND accuracy.
If the HMG at least had any AV use, but it can hardly dent a LAV...
So what's the point of HMG's again? its to hold down a point with 1 - 2 guys in a closed room now stop crying. Lance I have seen you running around like rambo and I have punished you for doing it. Trying to and act like you don't play the class outside of its role isn't going to stop the nerf hammer. Range nerf and spool time will force HMG users to play the objective. Right now HMG is the ultimate rambo class. My hmg alt has a 9 kdr and I don't even take my stats seriously on that account. I run around like rambo and wreck everyone. Keep defending HMGs though. You look incredibly foolish in my eyes.
I played against you once. Rambo you say? I played around my squad everytime. Everyime you see me I can guarantee you my squad is right there, at least 1 member. If I ever move out into the open is to back my squad.
I know exactly how to play my role. You act like KD means anything in pub games. My KD is 8.6 and I've played 30+ corp games.
You're acting like playing an AR, with sharpshooter lvl 5 is hard...lol. Everyime I saw you, you were hiding behind the STB guys...beasting it up!
I look foolish in your eyes...OMFG!!! PLEASE NO! NOT IN YOUR EYES!!!
Btw... you quoted the wrong person...and I'm the foolish one?...... GG |
Crimson Moon V
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.22 19:29:00 -
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You tried to 1 vs 1 me on my roof at my objective by yourself...(wasn't a good idea) Rambo much? Even if you do play your role as it should be most of the time that doesn't change the fact that 75% of HMG users run all over the map like rambo.
Small range nerf+short spool up time will fix this. If you really do play HMG like it should be played then range nerf and spool time won't effect you anyways. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
642
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Posted - 2013.02.22 19:34:00 -
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Crimson Moon V wrote:You tried to 1 vs 1 me on my roof at my objective by yourself...(wasn't a good idea) Rambo much? Even if you do play your role as it should be most of the time that doesn't change the fact that 75% of HMG users run all over the map like rambo.
Small range nerf+short spool up time will fix this. If you really do play HMG like it should be played then range nerf and spool time won't effect you anyways.
LOOOL at the start of the game?! I wanted to get on the roof, to you know what? Support my squad when they're attacking A. The only reason I rushed up there without checking to see if anyone was there was because I was getting surrounded. So when I reached there, I saw 2 people, Calamity Jane was 1, and I guess you were the other one, and jumped down and got killed. 1v1 you say? HAHAHAHAA... good one.
You were too busy hiding behind people to 1v1 anyone...sorry to say.
Next time just put "trolololol" in your reply to people because that's what you're trying to do. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
244
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Posted - 2013.02.22 19:36:00 -
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Crimson Moon V wrote: it should be played
And you have the right to dictate how it should be played why exactly? "It should be CQC weapon, so give it the range of an SMG", It does best in CQC, that doesn't make it a CQC weapon only, you're trying to force it to be one... and a useless one at that. All you want to do is turn HMG's into the next nova knives.
The HMG is fine as is. No buffs, no nerfs, just leave it as is. Nerf the HMG and I will just switch over to an AR, or a shotgun for CQC. That seems to be what you want, everyone going around in ARs. |
Crimson Moon V
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.22 19:54:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Crimson Moon V wrote: it should be played And you have the right to dictate how it should be played why exactly? "It should be CQC weapon, so give it the range of an SMG", It does best in CQC, that doesn't make it a CQC weapon only, you're trying to force it to be one... and a useless one at that. All you want to do is turn HMG's into the next nova knives. The HMG is fine as is. No buffs, no nerfs, just leave it as is. Nerf the HMG and I will just switch over to an AR, or a shotgun for CQC. That seems to be what you want, everyone going around in ARs. No I want everyone running around with HMG in assualt/scout suits with no spool up time.
Golf clap for lance* it only took you a few days to figure out I was trollolololing you. For real though, I was the only one that roof.
No one wants hmgs to have smg range. 5-10% has been thrown around a lot. Sharpshooter V on the HMG is insane though. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
642
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Posted - 2013.02.22 19:55:00 -
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Crimson Moon V wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Crimson Moon V wrote: it should be played And you have the right to dictate how it should be played why exactly? "It should be CQC weapon, so give it the range of an SMG", It does best in CQC, that doesn't make it a CQC weapon only, you're trying to force it to be one... and a useless one at that. All you want to do is turn HMG's into the next nova knives. The HMG is fine as is. No buffs, no nerfs, just leave it as is. Nerf the HMG and I will just switch over to an AR, or a shotgun for CQC. That seems to be what you want, everyone going around in ARs. No I want everyone running around with HMG in assualt/scout suits with no spool up time. Golf clap for lance* it only took you a few days to figure out I was trollolololing you. For real though, I was the only one that roof.
No, you weren't. I don't jump off roofs cuz I see 1 guy...
Edit: tbh, from the time I saw Calamity Jane there, I jumped off... Rambo you say? lol... can't remember seeing rambo run away from a women holding a shotgun. |
Crimson Moon V
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Posted - 2013.02.22 20:01:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Crimson Moon V wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Crimson Moon V wrote: it should be played And you have the right to dictate how it should be played why exactly? "It should be CQC weapon, so give it the range of an SMG", It does best in CQC, that doesn't make it a CQC weapon only, you're trying to force it to be one... and a useless one at that. All you want to do is turn HMG's into the next nova knives. The HMG is fine as is. No buffs, no nerfs, just leave it as is. Nerf the HMG and I will just switch over to an AR, or a shotgun for CQC. That seems to be what you want, everyone going around in ARs. No I want everyone running around with HMG in assualt/scout suits with no spool up time. Golf clap for lance* it only took you a few days to figure out I was trollolololing you. For real though, I was the only one that roof. No, you weren't. I don't jump off roofs cuz I see 1 guy... Jane was below the building. You lost the gunfight and jumped off. |
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2013.02.22 20:04:00 -
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Crimson Moon V wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Crimson Moon V wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Crimson Moon V wrote: it should be played And you have the right to dictate how it should be played why exactly? "It should be CQC weapon, so give it the range of an SMG", It does best in CQC, that doesn't make it a CQC weapon only, you're trying to force it to be one... and a useless one at that. All you want to do is turn HMG's into the next nova knives. The HMG is fine as is. No buffs, no nerfs, just leave it as is. Nerf the HMG and I will just switch over to an AR, or a shotgun for CQC. That seems to be what you want, everyone going around in ARs. No I want everyone running around with HMG in assualt/scout suits with no spool up time. Golf clap for lance* it only took you a few days to figure out I was trollolololing you. For real though, I was the only one that roof. No, you weren't. I don't jump off roofs cuz I see 1 guy... Jane was below the building. You lost the gunfight and jumped off.
smh... lost the gun fight? Your memory is bad. When I reached the top, I saw her, and started shooting while backing off the building. I assume she jumped off, but by the time I hit the ground I took a couple shots and died. I guess that's your trophy? Killing a heavy that wasn't shooting at you?
Congrats I guess.
I thought we were OP? |
Crimson Moon V
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Posted - 2013.02.22 20:16:00 -
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That was me on the roof. She was swinging around the left side of the building to flank. You must have seen her name through the building and thought I was her. I JUMPED after you when you jumped off and killed you. I remember it like it was yesterday... Becuase it was.
If you do play the hmg like it should then you should be fine with a spool time and small range nerf. Considering you will still able to hold tight areas and objectives. |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers
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Posted - 2013.02.22 20:16:00 -
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Good Afternoon Boys and Girls,
Please gather around so our good friend Bleeding Moon XLV can tell us all another story.
Please don't interrupt him as his vivid imagination allows for him to paint quite the picture of his imaginary settings
And NO MATTER WHAT do not contradict his fictional tales. He is prone to forgetting his meds and this will often send him over the deep end.
Simply smile, nod your head, and allow the boy to spin his tales for the enjoyment off all!
yes Lance... this means you too |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
642
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Posted - 2013.02.22 20:19:00 -
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Crimson Moon V wrote:That was me on the roof. She was swinging around the left side of the building to flank. You must have seen her name through the building and I was her. I JUMPED after you when you jumped off and killed you. I remember it like it was yesterday... Becuase it was.
If you do play the hmg like it should then you should be fine with a spool time and small range. Considering you will still able to hold tight areas and objectives.
If I thought it was only you there, you really think I would have jumped off if I saw an AR looking at me? Please.
You're not that special...sorry to burst your bubble. If I died, which I do against proto AR's easy enough, I would have stood my ground at least.
Spool time is a stupid idea, and CCP won't do it. |
Crimson Moon V
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Posted - 2013.02.22 20:20:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:Good Afternoon Boys and Girls, Please gather around so our good friend Bleeding Moon XLV can tell us all another story. Please don't interrupt him as his vivid imagination allows for him to paint quite the picture of his imaginary settings And NO MATTER WHAT do not contradict his fictional tales. He is prone to forgetting his meds and this will often send him over the deep end. Simply smile, nod your head, and allow the boy to spin his tales for the enjoyment off all! yes Lance... this means you too LOL I love my fans. Do you want me to sign your HMG? |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
642
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Posted - 2013.02.22 20:20:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:Good Afternoon Boys and Girls, Please gather around so our good friend Bleeding Moon XLV can tell us all another story. Please don't interrupt him as his vivid imagination allows for him to paint quite the picture of his imaginary settings And NO MATTER WHAT do not contradict his fictional tales. He is prone to forgetting his meds and this will often send him over the deep end. Simply smile, nod your head, and allow the boy to spin his tales for the enjoyment off all! yes Lance... this means you too
lol |
Crimson Moon V
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Posted - 2013.02.22 20:22:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Crimson Moon V wrote:That was me on the roof. She was swinging around the left side of the building to flank. You must have seen her name through the building and I was her. I JUMPED after you when you jumped off and killed you. I remember it like it was yesterday... Becuase it was.
If you do play the hmg like it should then you should be fine with a spool time and small range. Considering you will still able to hold tight areas and objectives. If I thought it was only you there, you really think I would have jumped off if I saw an AR looking at me? Please. You're not that special...sorry to burst your bubble. If I died, which I do against proto AR's easy enough, I would have stood my ground at least. Spool time is a stupid idea, and CCP won't do it. I did have a proto AR and you didn't stand your ground Trollolol.
<3
Denial is always fun. At least chicago admits to getting turned on by me.
Spool time is a great idea and ccp will do it. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
642
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Posted - 2013.02.22 20:26:00 -
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Crimson Moon V wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Crimson Moon V wrote:That was me on the roof. She was swinging around the left side of the building to flank. You must have seen her name through the building and I was her. I JUMPED after you when you jumped off and killed you. I remember it like it was yesterday... Becuase it was.
If you do play the hmg like it should then you should be fine with a spool time and small range. Considering you will still able to hold tight areas and objectives. If I thought it was only you there, you really think I would have jumped off if I saw an AR looking at me? Please. You're not that special...sorry to burst your bubble. If I died, which I do against proto AR's easy enough, I would have stood my ground at least. Spool time is a stupid idea, and CCP won't do it. I did have a proto AR and you didn't stand your ground Trollolol. <3
Proto AR's don't scare me... proto shotguns do.
Funny you think you can kill heavies easy enough, yet you QQ about them and HMG's.... funny logic.
Anyway, this just shows all these "great players" are crybabies. You're THAT great? Then HTFU.
You're beast with your AR right? Then why QQ about HMG's?
This thread is going around in circles now. I'm done. HTFU or keep on crying...your choice. |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers
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Posted - 2013.02.22 20:29:00 -
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Crimson Moon V wrote:CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:Good Afternoon Boys and Girls, Please gather around so our good friend Bleeding Moon XLV can tell us all another story. Please don't interrupt him as his vivid imagination allows for him to paint quite the picture of his imaginary settings And NO MATTER WHAT do not contradict his fictional tales. He is prone to forgetting his meds and this will often send him over the deep end. Simply smile, nod your head, and allow the boy to spin his tales for the enjoyment off all! yes Lance... this means you too LOL I love my fans. Do you want me to sign your HMG?
I'm sorry Crimson, but I had to call your boss and report you. I know you do enjoy story time, and as much as it is good for you to read 3rd grade books aloud, helping with that stage fright as well, you taking 1hr 10min to deliver my SaMMich 2 BLOCKS is simply unacceptable. PLUS, I open it up and you took a bite out of it! I know its a great SaMMich... Jimmy Johns is awesome, but the big allure is their 'freaky fast' delivery, which sad to say you failed at. O well, I guess I should be thanking you as I now get 5 free SaMMiches for the inconvenience.
I do apologize for demanding you lose your job for sampling my SaMMich tho, but I get rather possessive over my food.
don't fret though, it certainly appears you have a budding future in children's storytelling. Just make sure to keep off that sex offender's list... tough profession to be successful in if you get on that list |
Crimson Moon V
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Posted - 2013.02.22 20:31:00 -
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You need to take your own advice and HTFU and stop crying about spool time. Last I heard it has been confirmed in IRC.
EDIT-LOL chicago stop ranting about sammiches. I found my pen if you still want me to sign your HMG. |
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