DUST Search - So what's the point of the HMG?

Psi R wrote:

Tectonious Falcon wrote:

I use heavy HMG and have a 5.20 k/d (not that k/d really matters in DUST). Nothing wrong with it.

Although from what I've been told 5.20 makes me barely decent.

K/D is irrelevant to the question at hand, HMG is by no means a handicap the the point that you can't kill people. It's just vastly inferior to the AR.

Rei Shepard wrote:

The role of the HMG is meant to dispatch groups of enemies all packed in close quarter combat without the need to reload its weapon and to cause panic between the opposing soldiers where they cannot efficiently discharge their weapon at the target.

Some will defend, they die, some will panic and run, leaving the ones that are fighting to die its a vicious circle of Chaos.

An assault trooper would at this point be overwhelmed by the opposing force counter assault force because it will not put fear into the enemies, they will counter it more efficiently and less troops will shift into flee mode.

Most heavy weapons that are carried by troops are in a Supporting Role, because they themselves cannot maneuver fast enough to be called Assault.

An assault on the other hand has the means to dictate rules of engagement when 1 vs 1 and has a choice to run or gun depending on various factors, like cover, range to target, team members nearby the heavy suit cannot dictate these rules because it lacks mobility and requires it's team to get it into a appropriate firing position. Once it gets there it can devastate the enemy.

Hence, its a SUPPORT platform...

I'm sorry but this is just delusional. The role that you speak of here doesn't exist, even a Heavy suit will die before he can kill anyone if targeted by more than two decent players. First you claim the HMG is a support weapon and then you claim it's a weapon for killing entire groups of people? Yeah... no. Besides, were the heavy suit to use an AR instead he could kill much faster and give less time for the opposing team to respond to the threat.

Not to mention the whole rambling about the heavy suit being too slow to assault, which also goes against the notion that HMG would be suited for taking out group of packed enemies.


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Rei Shepard Spectre II 72	Posted - 2013.02.22 11:14:00 - [1] - Quote Its a Support platform to breach fortified positions with a team backing it up, not a run & gun "better" assault.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 72	Posted - 2013.02.22 11:49:00 - [2] - Quote Quote: Well, I was gonna respond, but you said it way more nicely and succinctly than I would have. +1 for saving me a rant. :) Quote: And for those of you who talk about "supporting role" of the HMG, lmao what? Oh yeah I forget what a big thing suppressing fire is in FPS gaming. That's the weakest excuse I've ever heard for a weapon being inferior to another one in nearly every aspect. The role of the HMG is meant to dispatch groups of enemies all packed in close quarter combat without the need to reload its weapon and to cause panic between the opposing soldiers where they cannot efficiently discharge their weapon at the target. Some will defend, they die, some will panic and run, leaving the ones that are fighting to die its a vicious circle of Chaos. An assault trooper would at this point be overwhelmed by the opposing force counter assault force because it will not put fear into the enemies, they will counter it more efficiently and less troops will shift into flee mode. Most heavy weapons that are carried by troops are in a Supporting Role, because they themselves cannot maneuver fast enough to be called Assault. An assault on the other hand has the means to dictate rules of engagement when 1 vs 1 and has a choice to run or gun depending on various factors, like cover, range to target, team members nearby the heavy suit cannot dictate these rules because it lacks mobility and requires it's team to get it into a appropriate firing position. Once it gets there it can devastate the enemy. Hence, its a SUPPORT platform...
Rei Shepard Spectre II 72	Posted - 2013.02.22 12:01:00 - [3] - Quote Quote: Although from what I've been told 5.20 makes me barely decent. Really depends if that figure is from playing constantly solo or in a dedicated team, it also doesn't say anything about sitting on-top of unreachable buildings or inside a corp battle fitted tank. Currently it seems to be a E-Peen thing people go at unimaginable lengths for to preserve it, up to the point of shutting off the PS3 when cornered.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 72	Posted - 2013.02.22 13:42:00 - [4] - Quote Psi R wrote: Tectonious Falcon wrote: I use heavy HMG and have a 5.20 k/d (not that k/d really matters in DUST). Nothing wrong with it. Although from what I've been told 5.20 makes me barely decent. K/D is irrelevant to the question at hand, HMG is by no means a handicap the the point that you can't kill people. It's just vastly inferior to the AR. Rei Shepard wrote: The role of the HMG is meant to dispatch groups of enemies all packed in close quarter combat without the need to reload its weapon and to cause panic between the opposing soldiers where they cannot efficiently discharge their weapon at the target. Some will defend, they die, some will panic and run, leaving the ones that are fighting to die its a vicious circle of Chaos. An assault trooper would at this point be overwhelmed by the opposing force counter assault force because it will not put fear into the enemies, they will counter it more efficiently and less troops will shift into flee mode. Most heavy weapons that are carried by troops are in a Supporting Role, because they themselves cannot maneuver fast enough to be called Assault. An assault on the other hand has the means to dictate rules of engagement when 1 vs 1 and has a choice to run or gun depending on various factors, like cover, range to target, team members nearby the heavy suit cannot dictate these rules because it lacks mobility and requires it's team to get it into a appropriate firing position. Once it gets there it can devastate the enemy. Hence, its a SUPPORT platform... I'm sorry but this is just delusional. The role that you speak of here doesn't exist, even a Heavy suit will die before he can kill anyone if targeted by more than two decent players. First you claim the HMG is a support weapon and then you claim it's a weapon for killing entire groups of people? Yeah... no. Besides, were the heavy suit to use an AR instead he could kill much faster and give less time for the opposing team to respond to the threat. Not to mention the whole rambling about the heavy suit being too slow to assault, which also goes against the notion that HMG would be suited for taking out group of packed enemies. You seem to lack basic reading comprehension, otherwise you would have known all points you bring back to me have been discussed in my post. So there is no need to post them again. Except Quote: I'm sorry but this is just delusional. The role that you speak of here doesn't exist, even a Heavy suit will die before he can kill anyone if targeted by more than two decent players. I am not sure why you feel a Heavy Suit with a HMG should automatically beat 2 decent players ? Does it come with an Aimbot ? No it doesnt... First of all i am 99% assault, 1% Heavy whenever i need a heavy...even forge gun when theres a tank and i can swap gear. With Assault-II and a basic AR i can go as far as 44/0, with a heavy 30/0 solo and my ability at mowing down enough people to reach 44/0 in an ambush game is only hindered by my inability to move from battle site to battle sit... My Heavy has 200 ish shields and 700 something armor, ive gone trough 3 opposing heaves facing MY way with HMG before they got trough my crappy 200 shields and i had HALF my ammo drum left... Its called taking advantage of cover, shooting them in the face and putting them in a disadvantaged position so that none of these guys had a clear shot. I dont like to say it ...but maybe you need to L2P?
Rei Shepard Spectre II 72	Posted - 2013.02.22 14:05:00 - [5] - Quote Psi R wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: HMG can kll multiple people in quick succession without rneed to reload or even ake your finger off the trigger. AR's are good for one vs one but when your caught off guard or outnumbered your dead without killing anyone or at best 1 person? A HMG will kill 2-3 unless you can;t shoot. So will an AR, and faster to boot. Your point being? Hmm checking you up ingame with a 1.26 KDR your credibility of being able to kill 2-3 people with an assault rifle takes a nosedive, sorry to break it but if you are bad the Heavy + HMG combo is a crutch not an invincible suit of armor to close the skillgap between bad & good players. Good player will always > Bad player, also the reason why so many people reach for hacks & cheats on PC Shooters.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 72	Posted - 2013.02.22 17:25:00 - [6] - Quote Quote: In WHAT way did I state that heavies should automatically beat 2 other non-heavy players? You were the one who described the role of a heavy as someone who goes into a group of people and kills them without having to reload, causing "panic". You said, that a heavy cant do a damn thing if 2-3 people are shooting at it. Quote: I'm stating that the opposite is true, that if all players involve can aim somewhat the heavy is simple unable to take on groups of players alone. The large magazine capacity doesn't mean anything if you don't get the time to use it and why are we pretending that the reload time of the AR is an issue? Hey, you just described a Support class, awesome for you. You just said: Quote: In WHAT way did I state that heavies should automatically beat 2 other non-heavy players? but you are already talking about how it is unable to take on groups of players alone ? wtf man.... Quote: Also, let me repeat. The heavy suit is FINE, the HMG is not. Nor have I stated anything about my own ability to kill, when I play a normal game I typically go around 3-4:1 and that's using this ****** gamepad and running around unsupported in public games with less SP than most of you involved in the topic. If in each game you go 3-4:1 you should be in the 3-4 KDR not 1.26, witch is barely 1:1. Idd say look up what makes a Support weapon in RL, then get back to us, being able to use the M60 like a rambo in COD does not make it actual RL design so. I play Solo as-well, but any team that has roughly the same amount of skill as i do will be almost impossible to crack. What you are asking for is that they make the HMG into something that can just mow down any resistance, regardless of skill. The HMG is fine whenever i use it, but feels underpowered whenever i face one, be it in a heavy suit or Assault, and then there are the people that are better at me using the HMG, with skills in it and obvious aiming skills. Sorry to break it to you man, but there are people better then Myself and better then you actually playing this game.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 72	Posted - 2013.02.22 22:01:00 - [7] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: You need to take your own advice and HTFU and stop crying about spool time. Last I heard it has been confirmed in IRC. EDIT-LOL chicago stop ranting about sammiches. I found my pen if you still want me to sign your HMG. lol good one....confirmation in IRC... I'll wait and see that. If CCP does that I'm done with this game, as they would have shown they listen to crybabies. "WAAAAA THE HMG NEED SPOOL TIME... but hey, I'm a beast player!" lol Can I have your stuff at least? Half a second spool time and a 5% range nerf will not break the HMG. The good heavies will be fine. Its not even that big of a nerf compared to what ccp did to the creadron AR. The good ones will keep it pre-spooled at all times or at least whenever they feel it is needed, the bad ones will start to spool it after taking hits to the face. Its like the bad Forge -Gunners, after a 2s charge up they abandon it because you've hit em with 2 rounds and just press em hard enough they switch to flee mode. Edit: just saying, i have no issues with how it is right now, but if they buff or nerf it i don't mind eitherway.