Did i am the only to find the current sniper fine, wait until the new dropsuit they help sniper

Needs more camping, preferably in a heavy suit with roughly 1k ehp. Nothing says "frack you, go qq or quit standing still" like an uncounterable fit. Also bring back thr better perches, we need more silos from which to harvest sweet pubbie tears.

*cough forge gun or small rail cough* yep, that's uber OP

I would like to have some AV sniper rifle variants.

Neither have the accuracy at effective range. Not to mention they alwsys hit too low, or too high, making them nonfactors. Or the fact that the forge gunner is both slow and gives his exact position once he fires. Pop goes that would be weasle.

Nothing about the Sniper Rifle needs adjustment. In fact, adjusting it will either make it overpowered or useless. The last thing we need is another round of nerfs because snipers are doing exactly what they're supposed to at the moment.

ALLOW THEM TO TEMPORARILY MARK TARGETS

Seriously, nothing annoys me more than my sniper corp-mate who's trying to convey information to me and I have no idea where this particular guy he's talking about is.

decrease sway while moving.

What we should be doing is suggesting how mechanics should be changed such that snipers will camp less, yet not make them useless over AR's.
My personal suggestion is increase recovery time/recoil but decrease sway while moving.

LOL....."It's the guy over there in Quadrant A - 8 .... the guy in the SUIT, with the emo face"

More like this:

Dario: "Got a heavy at nine o'clock."
Me: ".... Wait, my nine o'clock or your nine o'clock?"
Dario: "Your nine."
Me: "How the hell do you know what direction I'm facing if you're watching him?"
Dario: "He's ea- damnit.. WEST of Alpha!"
Me: "I'm at freaggin Bravo!"
Dario: "In between Alpha and Bravo there is a Heavy who is going toward Bravo!"
Me: "I'm staring directly at Alpha and there's no-one here what the hell are you talking about?!"
Dario: "I dunno dude, he's gone now."
Me: "You don't say?"

-Heavy starts firing at me from another angle-

Me: "OH YOU MOTHER ****** YOU BETTER KILL ME.."

More like this:

Me: "Got a heavy at nine o'clock."
You: ".... Wait, my nine o'clock or your nine o'clock?"
Me: "Well **** you"
Me: *bang* *bang* *bang*
Me: "Nevermind hes dead"

Two things I would like to see for snipers are: 1. Bullet drop, this would really separate the good snipers out. Just placing your red dot on someones head doesn't take much skill. 2. More intel gathering for them. They are 'Scout' suits after all.

Needs more camping, preferably in a heavy suit with roughly 1k ehp. Nothing says "frack you, go qq or quit standing still" like an uncounterable fit. Also bring back thr better perches, we need more silos from which to harvest sweet pubbie tears.

Nothing about the Sniper Rifle needs adjustment. In fact, adjusting it will either make it overpowered or useless. The last thing we need is another round of nerfs because snipers are doing exactly what they're supposed to at the moment.

- The fact that snipers can sit on the border of the redline... it is meant that way. They sit on the most outer limit of their playing field defined by CCP, deal with it.

I disagree, No sniper in the RL is running around on the ground trying to kill people with their squad. They sit up on their perch like they're supposed and deliver support fire from above. I think CCP got it right.

sniper in this game is easy mode, crouch for PERFECT aiming and stability. there is no movement from the scope at all, unless merc's are intergalactic champions at holding there breath, they need to change how easy it is to aim down scope for all weapons. i think they should remove the whole crouch = perfect stability. i find it VERY dumb they did not include "holding your breathe for more stability"

meh, i think sniper players are funny, roll a team off the battlefield and watch 90% of the team switch to snipers and sit around the red zone waiting for the match to end.

I disagree, No sniper in the RL is running around on the ground trying to kill people with their squad. They sit up on their perch like they're supposed and deliver support fire from above. I think CCP got it right.

I agree with this 100%. Leave the snipers alone, they're just doing what snipers do.

Not whining about hip fire kills from a sniper?

Don't hate me for this but.

Sniper class has the lowest attrition rate of all the classes, it encourages sniping, because nobody wants to lose thier hard earned isk.

I seriously think all sniper rifles should have thier price increased by 30-50%

sniper in this game is easy mode, crouch for PERFECT aiming and stability. there is no movement from the scope at all, unless merc's are intergalactic champions at holding there breath, they need to change how easy it is to aim down scope for all weapons. i think they should remove the whole crouch = perfect stability. i find it VERY dumb they did not include "holding your breathe for more stability"

meh, i think sniper players are funny, roll a team off the battlefield and watch 90% of the team switch to snipers and sit around the red zone waiting for the match to end.

****. no.

Let me repeat that.

****. NO.

Real life snipers do not deal with constant sway, they train to keep steady. WE are cloned super soldiers.

This is not ******* COD. YOu have a multitude of options to deal with snipers, the most effective being counter sniping.

Learn to adapt instead of whining about everything under the sun because you got popped by it.

****** COD did it right by adding this.

Right because sniper are supposed to be able to sit back in an area that you cant get to because it is in their main base and snipe anyone with impunity because they can shoot through their eyeballs and instantly hit anything on the entire field. That is perfectly reasonable.

There's an app for that:

It's called counter-sniping.

Sniper rifles need permanent scope sway, even at Ops 5, even when crouched and not moving. Maybe a "steady aim" button that gives you a second of steadiness.

Sniper rifles might also need bullet drop, and possibly bullet travel time. Nobody cares about the "realism" of these features, what matters is that they exist to make sniping require more skill. People don't like snipers because they're people who put themselves in very little danger, can kill from 600 m or greater in two shots on most suits, and all they need to do is point and click. No compensating for sway, no leading their targets, no adjusting for distance. It's too easy, it encourages people to stay as far away from the fight as possible, and it's bad for the game compared to the alternative.

Give sniper rifles sway, bullet drop, and bullet travel time, and they'll be compelled to move closer to the action, because it'll be to hard to aim from really long distances to get more than a couple kills a game.

I disagree, people care about realism. If they didn't there wouldn't be anyone yelling something is OP.

You claim that to be a better sniper, the sniper needs to be more engaged in the combat by being closer to the action, I disagree.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MK4SEoBFXk

That just makes me want a rifle that will disable an LAV.

I hear plenty of QQ for and against them, mostly against. But why?
It's usually because you're going 10-0 and then out of nowehere. "XXX NT-511 Sniper Rifle You" on the killfeed.
And if there's one thing we hate with a passion more than shotguns and lampposts, its pussies hiding in the hills relaxing and picking people off while drinking their coffee. Gotta hate them cowards. Face us on the ground like a man and settle this! Have at ya!
But wait! He doesn't want to why so?

That is because of current mechanics in-game. As-is, when you zoom in you have initial sway that will kick like a mule in any random direction (used to be fixed direction). You never actually zoom into the exact spot you did. Hooray, no quick scoping!
Oh wait, it looks like it only settles if you stay rock still, otherwise you you will aim like a drunk man.
But there's more! If you crouch onto your knees, you settle sway even more. Fair enough, rests those arms. Oh wait I have sniper operation 5....WHAT NO SWAY THIS IS NOT LEGIT. Must...resist...exploiting...game mechanics...
Basically by sitting in the hills with their George Foreman grill they actually are using the sniping mechanics properly, They are doing it right. But isn't that a little unfair, being forced to camp and munch bacon while picking people from silly distances? I mean, they cant even get you unless they countersnipe.
My point is, CCP has made it so with snipers that Camping >>>>> moving with team. if you grt pissed off for it, don't blame them, the game forces them to if they want to survive.
What we should be doing is suggesting how mechanics should be changed such that snipers will camp less, yet not make them useless over AR's.
My personal suggestion is increase recovery time/recoil but decrease sway while moving.
Post away down here.

I don't understand why there's so much whine about snipers. Seriously, harden up. Any sniper worth his kit can take out snipers on the opposing team, and when there are no snipers on the opposing team they have free reign to pick off players on the battlefield. This is entirely reasonable and how the mechanic was intended. This is the role of a sniper; to stay in a relatively safe position far away from the action and provide support for their team.

Snipers are very easily countered by anybody who knows what they're doing, and in fact in more recent times its becoming increasingly rare to see a sniper get the ~20-25 kills which was more common only a month ago. If you ask me, it's more efficient to get into a type 2 assault suit with a gek and an armour rep and go 40-10 than it is to snipe so for the love of god stop crying nerf and get a grip. When I snipe, I spend most of my time killing other snipers so that I can avoid being killed.

Red line sniping however, is a seperate issue. The red line should be altered so that there are no effective vantage points to encourage this sort of play and so that other classes do pose some modicum of threat. On the flip side though, I think that there should be more vantage points incorporated into the maps. Currently, there are only 3-4 really good spots on each map (sometimes less), making finding snipers a lot less of a challenge than what it could be.

lol, you mean the guy thats in the frontlines right? flux nading heavies so maybe he can take him out before his squad notices all while dodging perma steady scope sniper fire? that guy right?

you RARELY see an AR player going 40 and anything.

What's the whining about snipers?...

I barely ever seem them these days, much more prevalent in early beta and since open I've had perhaps 3 games where there was any noticeable presence.

I disagree, people care about realism. If they didn't there wouldn't be anyone yelling something is OP.

You claim that to be a better sniper, the sniper needs to be more engaged in the combat by being closer to the action, I disagree.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MK4SEoBFXk

I have seen a LOT of good ideas in this thread

1. bullet drop.
duh ~

(We don't fire bullets, we fire kinetically charged flechettes. Learn the difference)

2. more focus on Intel gathering.
well ye but if we can see the target shouldn't we just shoot them ?
or act as a area denial system and any enemy who wants to poke there head out of specific bits of cover do so
at there own risk

(We already have this, it's called scan profiles)

3. semi close combat sniping
well this would be good for medium to long ranged engagements and allow people who don't attempt to flank there enemy and just take pot shots at them to learn a good lesson

(Tactical sniper rifle)

People do not care about realism. Nobody is asking for CCP to include the mercs taking a coffee break, or going to the bathroom before getting in their dropsuit, or taking a nap because they've just done 10 missions in a row. Realism doesn't matter. What matters is that the game is fun. People don't like things being imbalanced because it isn't fun. Not because, in fact, a forge gun in real life is supposed to do X and Y, but CCP only has it doing X. The only thing that matters is that Dust is a good, fun game.

And I did not claim that to be a "better sniper" the sniper needs to be closer to the action. I said that making sniper take skill would encourage snipers to get more involved in the action, because shooting from 500 m away from atop a mountain would get fewer kills due to hitting small, distant, moving targets would be much more difficult. It has nothing to do with the sniper himself being better. Instead, it has to do with improving Dust by making snipers an actual part of the game, rather than just non-contributors around the periphery.

And I didn't watch your video, as I assume it's dumb real world tryhard sniper nonsense that has nothing to do with video games.

We have a RAILGUN sniper rifles in Dust 514, that shoots bullets (charges) with 2500m\sec velocity... No bullet drop in current maps size. & max distance we can hit something, is like MCC from 750m. It's instahit system at where your dot is... for now.

Would like to see some bullet drop in the game.