The turn rate is linked directly with the stick's amount of deflection off center. So you need to learn to finesse the stick. Either that or get stick extensions so you can get finer control with larger movements.

Thanks for stating the obvious.

There are a lot of things about games that are similar to films and music in that they are highly subjective and based on artistic vision. This (the aiming) is not one of those things. It's not about being slower and more tactical, or faster and more twitchy. It's about controls that actually work and that you don't have to struggle with in order to make it go where you want it to. Aiming in Dust is very rough and unrefined right now, and if CCP thinks it's working as intended, then I would be seriously concerned about the future of this game.

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@Shijima Kuraimaru: Saying "Dust isn't like other games" is not a valid excuse for a feature just being bad. Using that excuse to justify the bad aiming mechanics is like trying to justify broken Ambush spawning, or bad texture loading.
Things like this are the reason why the feedback/requests section exists. Asking for adjustments is totally appropriate.

In that case, bringing up mechanics of other games isn't a valid argument either. Seriously, I have no problem aiming in Dust. If it was so broken, then nobody would be able to do it and yet we have players, that are using the controller, that are getting huge amounts of kills and playing like pros. So then, as your point has been proven invalid by the wide success of many other players, what's your excuse?

No DUST isn't other games, but that's mainly in the macro execution. The micro elements like turning and walking will be common to all games, and it is perfectly valid to bring up other games for comparison purposes.

DUST's movement mechanics needs something to smooth it out, either acceleration or user adjustable sensitivity curves. The game should be challenging because of the macro elements, not the micro.

If you wanted to make bowling more challenging you might lengthen the lane, requiring more accuracy. You wouldn't force bowlers to wear mittens. Why? Because that's decreasing the person's ability to apply the skill they have rather than increasing the skill requirement. That makes everybody worse and increases frustration. Sure some folks can overcome the mittens better than others, but it doesn't make the game any more enjoyable.

We want to fight the the enemy, not our controls. Don't mistake the handicap of poor controls for a challenging game.

Look in options. there is a sensitivity adjustment. If that's all you were looking for, it's already there and this diatribe was pointless.

Spawn killing is fine. Dust isn't like other games. Learn how to not get killed on random spawn.

Sound glitching and looping is fine. Dust isn't like other games. Pretend it's a remix and learn to enjoy it.

Passive SP freezing is fine. Dust isn't like other games. Increase your ability with starter fits and you don't need to improve your skills.

Being booted from matches at random is fine. Stop trying to compare Dust to games which let you play until the end of the match. It's not like other games.

Searching for Battle forever is fine. Dust isn't like other games. Get to know people in chat. Read a book.

He should have been more specific as to what he means by sensitivity "curve", but its obvious he isn't talking about the sensitivity options we have now. Anyone who isn't a newb already knows about the current options.

Spawn killing is fine. It's going to happen. It happens to everyone. It happens to me. Camping droplinks and CRUs is actually a fun past time when something more presing isn't demanding the squad's attention.

Sound glitching is a bug and they're working on it.

Passive SP freeze? I don't know, it hasn't happened to me. But I would call that a bug.

In the entire time I've played Dust, since second build of closed beta, I have only been booted from a match like 5 or 6 times. May be CCP's connection, might be your ISP connection, might be your connection to the internet. Could even be your router/modem is part of the problem. I don't know but they're all possibilities. I just figure that if the problem isn't affecting everyone, then it's not necessarily something on CCP's end.

Battle search issues. There could be any number of things with this but, once again, not something that I personally experience very often. Just a little bit more than being booted from a match, but not very much.

Calling the controller mechanic, that is working as intended, a problem simply because you don't like it is unreasonable. Sure, suggest that they change it. If they do good for you. If it makes the game easier for everyone, great. But it's just different, it's not a problem.

You missed the point of his post, but I guess it's fine, because your interpretation might not be sane.

This is about the DS3 standard PS3 controller. Sensitivity still feels off. Anyone ever just get on an FPS and spin around? Usually you start out slow and accelerate to spin around faster. In Dust you pretty much spin at a constant speed. If there is acceleration, I don't notice it.

I tested spinning around while un-scoped and scoped in MAG, BF3, and KZ3. All these games had acceleration (though BF3's was pretty light). The lack of acceleration in Dust's sensitivity is why I think aiming feels jerky and not smooth: When sniping in Dust for example, its really hard to do small fine movements, but with better acceleration movement can start slow and very fine before getting fast and big.

Basically sensitivity needs acceleration. Acceleration options would be a great addition to the sensitivity options. The lack of sensitivity acceleration is why many new players don't like the controls.


Dev comment from the IRC.
"[05:14:08] <[CCP]Frame> KAGEHOSHI, we have our eyes on that already, thank you
[05:14:16] yay!
[05:15:10] so does that mean its coming?
[05:15:19] or just being talked about?
[05:16:20] <[CCP]Frame> Controls are being tweaked every day :) And devs love detailed info in that thread as well, as it helps them get clearer picture."

Devs are watching, so make your voice heard on the subject.

This is about the DS3 standard PS3 controller. Sensitivity still feels off. Anyone ever just get on an FPS and spin around? Usually you start out slow and accelerate to spin around faster. In Dust you pretty much spin at a constant speed. If there is acceleration, I don't notice it.

I tested spinning around while un-scoped and scoped in MAG, BF3, and KZ3. All these games had acceleration (though BF3's was pretty light). The lack of acceleration in Dust's sensitivity is why I think aiming feels jerky and not smooth: When sniping in Dust for example, its really hard to do small fine movements, but with better acceleration movement can start slow and very fine before getting fast and big.

Basically sensitivity needs acceleration. Acceleration options would be a great addition to the sensitivity options. The lack of sensitivity acceleration is why many new players don't like the controls.


Dev comment from the IRC.
"[05:14:08] <[CCP]Frame> KAGEHOSHI, we have our eyes on that already, thank you
[05:14:16] yay!
[05:15:10] so does that mean its coming?
[05:15:19] or just being talked about?
[05:16:20] <[CCP]Frame> Controls are being tweaked every day :) And devs love detailed info in that thread as well, as it helps them get clearer picture."

Devs are watching, so make your voice heard on the subject.

God every time I read one of horned wolfs post it just sounds like long winded half speculation fps genre authority dribble...
I have yet to see this individual in any match mind you and hardly ever on the leaderboards.I have seen him more in IRC and on the forums than in game.He still feels like he is an authority on subjects such as these but I wonder if his opinion on the subject matters because where are the hours of testing.One would assume that such an individual would be highly visible.That being said.

There are a hundred other threads that have gone over sensitivity,acceleration and the DS3.Yes I will concede that other games do acceleration better than CCP.You also have to take into consideration that CCP is a PC software company and there users are KBM.CCP has done a good job of giving us arc movements instead of angular arrow key movements.You also have to understand that this is the UNREAL ENGINE and if you ever played that game you know that character movements in that game are like the light bikes off the first TRON movie.There in 90's and straight 45 degrees.We already know why CCP chose unreal because they were able to acquire the right to use it and its portability with the PS4 coming out.We wont be going backwards this is the engine they chose.

Btw I dont know how many times Ive fooled with the sensitivity because I adjusted it for sniping then back to assault it had to be readjusted.........first thing I did on this game the very first spawn was jump off a rock and spin and yes I saw it then.Has it stopped me from carrying a 4.2 and over 9k in kills?No I adapted.Most truly good FPS players will.All this would do at this point is change the muscle memory for peoples articulation during which there KDRS will suffer as they readjust and then after a short time theyll just go back to killing people just as well as before if not better.

Im not diametrically opposed to this thread Im just saying its been done before. ALOT, and CCP didnt do anything about it then so why would they now.....They (CCP) wonder why they get reviews like "the controls feel clunky".Like I said I dont think Unreal was made with analog joysticks in mind.This isnt a failing on CCP's part just an over site.I chock this one upto when the PS4 comes out maybe something can be done about this.Until then I just keep playing.

I dont think acceleration should be a adjustable thing,but it is a good thing and I thought a norm in current games now but apparently I was wrong.It is rather simple though.One speed for 90 to 67.5 degrees.67.5 to 22.5 faster.22.5 to 0 full turn speed.Now I know the analog stick doesnt go from 90 to 0 degrees but I think you get my meaning.

The full turn speed would be the classes current turn speed ...problem solved.Now will they do that?I doubt it.

Too much aim acceleration/"aim smoothing" can be a very bad thing and actually make it even more difficult to aim. I wouldn't put it past CCP to overdo it with their lack of experience with FPS games so there is reason to worry. If it's added to the game, add an option to turn it off since it's unlikely to work well in its first build and a lot of people will not enjoy having to put up with a poor implementation of aim acceleration. Don't overdo it.

I get what the OP is asking for. My new controller gives me the issues that the OP is complaining about but my old controller gives me the ease of precision, the smoothness, the OP is asking for. It's the one reason I say learn the controller. I am comfortable with a static gradient where the low to high arcs throw me off and I either under track or over track. My old controller has softer springs and a larger stick deflection arc that enables me to make smaller adjustments in my character motion without having to rely on nearly microscopic finger movements.

What it comes down to is personal preference. You want acceleration arcs because those work better for you and I like the static gradient acceleration because it works better for me.

Where the OP steps over the line of reason, and I've seen it on my threads by many other doom sayers, is that he appears to assume himself an authority on all things gaming and in a position to tell people what they should and shouldn't like. He also seems to assume to know what will keep most, if not all, gamers and what will drive them away. The only gamer the OP, and many like him, can speak with any authority about are themselves.

The vast majority of console shooters have the acceleration, Dust is being targeted at console shooter fans who are used to that acceleration, and it feels off to them without it. Its not about assumption of authority, its common sense. I'm sure it won't prevent those who otherwise like the game from playing it, but it certainly isn't a strong point for those coming from other console shooters.
Its not just me, I have seen many people complain about the controls being clunky, or having some mysterious thing about it that they don't like.
The reason I asked for acceleration options in the OP instead of just adding the acceleration is for people like you to be able to disable it completely.

/.../ The lack of acceleration in Dust's sensitivity is why I think aiming feels jerky and not smooth: When sniping in Dust for example, its really hard to do small fine movements, but with better acceleration movement can start slow and very fine before getting fast and big.

Basically sensitivity needs acceleration. Acceleration options would be a great addition to the sensitivity options. The lack of sensitivity acceleration is why many new players don't like the controls. /.../

Devs are watching, so make your voice heard on the subject.

Post 45 is very irrelevant.

Watch the video from post 44.

It's a rather long winded comment on this, and a few other things. Also, read post 44. You'll notice that I talk more about controls and aiming, and go slightly beyond "acceleration" on the controls.

Don't tell me that you think post #45 is irrelevant just because you do not like the last sentence.

It's too easy to confuse the various 'accelerations' we're talking about here.

When we say controller response curve acceleration it's referring only to the shape of the controller response curve(i.e. whether it's straight or curvy).

The controller response curve cannot affect how fast a suit can actually rotate. This is a property of the suit, it's shape, mass and drive systems. Or it's a number in CCP's database, however you want to look at it. The point is that that maximum rotation rate number for a suit does not change if we change the shape of the controller curve(to make aiming less clunky for example).

Ya, good point.

btw where is this fanfest thread? Does it have lots of stuff in it? o_o

I'm not sure if you were on vacation at the time, but for awhile the controls were so slow the game was barely playable. This has gotten much better. I believe CCP did it because some people made suggestions like this on forums. I do not want that to happen again. With how much acceleration can change the playability of the game, I think it's a really, really, really bad idea to change it right now, and if it is changed it should be done with testers for a long time. After that, it should come with an option to turn it off *UNLESS* CCP is unbelievably confident that it is actually a lasting improvement. Almost no game allows you to control acceleration, so it's likely that CCP will just put it on for everyone.