I know I just blew your mind...

What if we hand to hand combat skill was broken up into different fighting styles?
You could have the fighting styles broken up by race

• The School of the Achura Sentinels
• Jin-Mei Judo
• Athra Power Fists
• Brutor Shadowboxing

Got into a pretty ridiculous hand to hand fight with someone today. I don't know if this is the answer, but something needs to be down about the basic melee.

First Person SHOOTER

I'm going to take a neutral stance on this one.

There's a reason why I don't use the Nova Knife, and that because (at least for me) it's absurdly hard to sneak up on someone in order to backstab them properly.

With this in mind, I'm in complete support of the idea that the melee systems needs a bit of tweaking, but I'm unsure as to how that would play out. Keep in mind that this is a First Person Shooter game ... not a First Person Fighter game. I also really like the idea of execution kills, kinda brings me back to Gears of War. But then ... Gears is a THIRD Person Shooter ... execution kills like the ones found in that series are only possible because of the viewpoint. To use your idea would require the game to constantly change from fist to third person just for a short two second clip of you decapitating someone.

Also note that these two seconds you're using to smash someone's face in leaves you open to attack from another redberry. This means that the OPs suggestion that the Heavy you're currently beating down can fight back is rather flawed. If this Heavy can actually fight back ... then I can almost guarantee that someone is going to come along and shoot either you or the Heave ... depends on what side he's on. And then what? Does the animation stop? Or do you complete the animation and then move on with your day shooting other people?

TL;DR

I like the idea ... but I don't think it will work

Something this complex would probably require a lot of time and effort which would be better spent elsewhere imo. The vast majority of fights are going to be settled well outside of fisticuff range, as they aught to be.
The only consideration I could think of is some kind of sparring mini-game, but even then its pretty superfluous in the grand scheme of things.

At most, maybe a skill that would change your animated attack and cause more damage in CQC, but that's about it. Extremely niche and doesn't really contribute a whole lot in the grand scheme of things.

Ammar is all about discipline according to religious doctrine. a suitable style would be a combination of Krav Maga

Something this complex would probably require a lot of time and effort which would be better spent elsewhere imo. The vast majority of fights are going to be settled well outside of fisticuff range, as they aught to be.
The only consideration I could think of is some kind of sparring mini-game, but even then its pretty superfluous in the grand scheme of things.
At most, maybe a skill that would change your animated attack and cause more damage in CQC, but that's about it. Extremely niche and doesn't really contribute a whole lot in the grand scheme of things.

Oh god, I'd rather give nut-crushing capabilities to the Minmatar. Taekwondo is fairly disciplined, would suit amarrs.

In quite a few threads, it's been pointed out that our clone soldiers lack some of the abilities and equipment that are considered standard-issue to real-life armed forces, and there are good reasons that they are standard.
Most soldiers today are trained in some kind of martial art (US trains a style too, it just didn't come from Asia), which is really just a disciplined way to fight effectively in hand-to-hand combat.
In DUST, martial arts in one form or another have likely survived the Dark Age, possibly with the Caldari's honor-and-tradition culture as it is more likely to pass down such concepts.
Gameplay-wise, an ideal hand-to-hand fighting style would be attacks focused on staggering or knocking down an opponent so that you can get your gun back up first, as this still pertains to a shooter gameplay.

As for appearance, either the Four Empires each developed/saved their own martial art, or the other three adopted the Caldari style. If they are different:
>Amarrians don't want to get their hands physically dirty while they're killing. If they're forced, they would be more likely to use their in-hand weapon as a bludgeoning tool, just with a little more finesse than currently. Medium damage medium speed.
>Minmatar would be brutal in a melee. Do not let a Matari get the first hit in, or you will be staggered continually until the Matari kills you with either a final punch or Flaylock blast. Slow, but brutal.
>Caldari culture is mostly based on the feudal Asian cultures of honor, tradition and respect. This race will be the most likely to have the kung-fu fighting style that above posters likely think of when they see this thread. "Fast as lightning", but low per-strike damage.
>Gallente draw most inspiration from the Greco-Roman ideology and myth, most apparent in their ship and vehicle names. This means they will likely have a style similar to that used by Alexander and the Roman elite soldiers. This type of combat style is designed to disable an opponent rather than kill, which will set them up for a follow-up shotgun blast to the face. Attacks have a chance to knock down the opponent, increasing with consecutive hits. Medium damage, slow speed.

As for how to control all this, CCP can either make it a flourished R3 melee, or have same-time melees engage a freeflow QTE, with the player able to choose between multiple attacks with different button presses. R2 would always swap back to your weapon if you need to finish off the opponent or run away, while the face buttons and L1/R1 command different attacks. Hitting the same button as your opponent would cause a "block", and who attacks and who tries to defend is based on who pressed first.

HAHAHA was wondering when someone was gonna find out, fixed.

ok, all jokes aside, Soo Bahk Do is the form your looking for Bojo. Tae Kwon Do is an artistic discipline, not a practical discipline. I know this because i practice Tae Kwon Do and Soo Bahk Do respectively.

Really? When I was a practicing Taekwondo (did it for like 6 or 7 years I qualified to help in training but was like Nah) it was all about discipline. It had very much a military air around it, as it should have. The Korean military and police (both sides I'm sure) are well trained in Taekwondo. But that's kind of my off topic thing.

To anyone who wants free running and cloaking, this is a must! A cloaked scout that comes from the shadows and kicks your ass old school, I'd enjoy to see myself get killed by such a foe.

First Person SHOOTER

not that I don't like the idea, but why the focus on martial arts? I was taught to fight, but not in any way that would really convey martial arts. I can still take my brother down and he took karate and kung fu for years. It's not necesarily training and grace that carry the day, sometimes it's just being the bigger guy(now) or fighting dirty(earlier in life) I still fight dirty, but I'm also bigger than a good number of people my age.

essentially, why not have something a bit closer to regular old street fighting? sneak up on the guy, headlock, kidney punch, slam his head into a wall, throw to the floor and then stomp their spine for all you're worth. they make an input at the right time(before the stomp) they roll out and the fighting proper starts(my view is rock,paper,scisors, fourth option. x beats y, cancels z).

not that I don't like the idea, but why the focus on martial arts? I was taught to fight, but not in any way that would really convey martial arts. I can still take my brother down and he took karate and kung fu for years. It's not necesarily training and grace that carry the day, sometimes it's just being the bigger guy(now) or fighting dirty(earlier in life) I still fight dirty, but I'm also bigger than a good number of people my age.

essentially, why not have something a bit closer to regular old street fighting? sneak up on the guy, headlock, kidney punch, slam his head into a wall, throw to the floor and then stomp their spine for all you're worth. they make an input at the right time(before the stomp) they roll out and the fighting proper starts(my view is rock,paper,scisors, fourth option. x beats y, cancels z).

not that I don't like the idea, but why the focus on martial arts? I was taught to fight, but not in any way that would really convey martial arts. I can still take my brother down and he took karate and kung fu for years. It's not necesarily training and grace that carry the day, sometimes it's just being the bigger guy(now) or fighting dirty(earlier in life) I still fight dirty.

Can I ask a simple question. While I do support the idea of an upgraded Melee Attack style, it would ill suit this game due to one pretty big reason (unless you put in even more styles).

The Dropsuit.

In the case of a Scout Suit, Martial Arts could be used pretty effectively, and with less mobility, the Assault Dropsuit, but... the bulkiness of the Logistics Suit, or the simple size and armor plating of the Heavy Suit would severely hinder their ability to pull off even the most basic Martial Arts moves... The Heavy Dropsuits would probably be able to throw a decent punch, but as for kicking... the weight alone would topple you.

While I fully support the concept of better Melee, I don't see actual martial arts coming in.

okay how does this sound.... a little more of a magnetic melee box to hit them and nova knives can be used as a cinematic like if you are in a scout suit you jump on there back and stab them both through there head and neck? this way you wouldn't really need to go through the 1st person to third back to first but it would still look epic. heavies with nova knives (god forbid they exist and succeed) would grab the person from the back of there head and stab it into there face. assault and logi with nova knives would just grab them swing them around by the shoulder into there knife >_> beware of nova knives now for assault and logis almost like clothes lining someone by grabbing them and swinging them into your knife imaging how comical that would look from a ways away!

ire seen take down moves in other games but those were nonlethal stun options but in dust everything is cranked up to 11 as far as the suits are concerned and they are more designed to use weapons and fire them than to be a weapon

i cant see a scout punching a heavy with 3 complex armor plates ending well no matter how mater points hes put into space ninja

there is zero background on fighting arts on eve that i have read and there are a a lot of lore articles out there


overall the suits are either built for movement and stealth, massive tanking or a general purpose mix of the two its our weapons capable of shattering a normal human skeleton as well as vaporizing a good portion of the flesh that enable use to do the damage

punches and kicks really just don't make sense

While it sounds like a neat idea, I don't think it really fits in Dust 514. I'd love a first person brawler. It sounds like a great idea, but for a different game. I wouldn't want the controls to be overly complicated. +1 for thinking outside the box, though. I dig it.