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Sgt S-Laughter
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.02.14 09:16:00 -
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I can't even justify this game anymore... It feels like a CoD clone more and more every day.
Is the plan to have an objective driven fps experience interwoven into an MMO economy and territorial warfare?
Or is DUST trying to skip the 20 kill streak it takes to call in drastically superior fire power and map dominance?
I never liked CoD. I played a LOT of mag, over 3 years worth.
The skirmish objectives are a pointless side obstacle to what is really a larger KDR fest than ambush.
That's all I really have to say anymore :\ I played several games tonight, every single one had 1 team launch an early LAV rush to the other side's first objective, and the KDR fest ensued. It has been dominance from the first minute of the game, and the remaining players simply snipe each other for the duration of the game timer...
Or they leave <_< I've been thrown into several battles where the map is already completely red, and the blue dots are all perched for the cold war snipe off... Something should be done about that... Why does it join me to a game that is over before I can even spawn once?
This game needs a complete overhaul. I'm really surprised this is what they've released with their open beta <_<
I play this game now only to grind sp (one of the most annoying grinds of all games I've played) for a future build where the game CCP has really been working on replaces current dust entirely...
Or maybe I'll just go back to strategy pvp games, and leave the cartoon arcade shooters to the CoD fans. |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
441
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Posted - 2013.02.14 09:21:00 -
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Feels very AR orientated atm,
not saying AR is op, I actually skilled into Viziam first,
but now use AR as well because well, It can shoot just about as far as my LR,
works up close,
just an all around it works on everything type of gun with no real damage reduction imo
so ya fairly one minded and getting a lil' boring atm. |
DrSheepbringer3
Darkstar Mercs
11
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Posted - 2013.02.14 09:25:00 -
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I do agree that the objective driven play is the right way to go, but it needs to be more like MAG. You had goals that unlocked other goals. At the moment it's way too "deathmatchy".
I can't remember which game it was (old, perhaps unreal, perhaps quake, doom...) that has multiplayer maps where you had to rob a missile(or something) from a moving train or truck. We need more sensible action and missions. Intelligent missions. Not like ambush...it's basically a deathmatch. Why not A REAL AMBUSH where their objective would be to escape the ambush or something similar. Like in MAG where they needed to steal the trucks and such. |
Irish Syn
Chernova Industries
123
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Posted - 2013.02.14 09:38:00 -
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I agree with your general sentiment but tonight I actually got into several rounds that were tightly contested and almost nobody using militia weapons, plus people were actually defending the null cannons. There were a couple really good matches on Manus Peak. Definitely the exception to the rule but yeah, only one red line domination today.
Perhaps what should happen is if after a certain amount of time if the enemy team holds all null cannons your MCC should retreat thus ending the match. |
crazy space 1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2013.02.14 09:39:00 -
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um you do know this is a beta right? This is currently so far from the final product it's laughable.
Leave for a month or two, come back. You'll even have earned 3 million sp by then without playing so win/win. No one will blame you for getting tired of testing the watered down battle system that dust is going to use.
You do know this game is intended to play like savage right? Half fps half rts? That's nothing like COD. |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
197
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Posted - 2013.02.14 09:45:00 -
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Aye the plan is evolving maps (no 2 are the same) based on districts. and there is a lot of talk about different game types (the most obvious being PvE coming soon (TM)) |
Talruum Tezztarozza
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
73
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Posted - 2013.02.14 09:45:00 -
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Again, what OP describe is not game (mode) fault. It is match making fault.
You basicly said that one team steamrolled the other, redline them, people leave and the game sometime put you in those matches.
What severely need to be fixed here in match making system to make two teams become more balanced. |
Sgt S-Laughter
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
22
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Posted - 2013.02.14 09:46:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:um you do know this is a beta right? This is currently so far from the final product it's laughable.
Leave for a month or two, come back. You'll even have earned 3 million sp by then without playing so win/win. No one will blame you for getting tired of testing the watered down battle system that dust is going to use.
You do know this game is intended to play like savage right? Half fps half rts? That's nothing like COD.
This had better be VERY far from the final project... Because as it sits, it's more than laughable, it's in the "complete disregard" pile.
I am not exaggerating when I say "the only reason I'm playing now is to grind sp for future builds." I played through the entire MAG beta, I know how beta games play. During the MAG beta the game's core concepts of being an strategic, team based, objective oriented shooter was clearly present. In DUST it isn't :\ |
crazy space 1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2013.02.14 09:50:00 -
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The only reason I'm playing is to grind sp for future builds, I'm right there with you brother.
And yeah it's wierd how much is being left out of dust right now :/ The RTS mode for every battle was almost released 5 months ago, they confrimed it, but then, nada. They went to focus on the core game play. But honestly other than a few games a week with my friends I've grinded enough sp for now.
I see no reason to play this beta for now , it's so far from what it's going to be, I'm bored.
Basicaly, what if eve online beta was just a menu to pick ships and fittings, and a deatch match arena. No market, no stargates, no stations. That is what we have now with dust.
I'm still holding my breath though. I have a good feeling about next month. Dust won't be dust untill we are manually placing turrets and defence relays while a player pilots the MCC. I really don't think dust should of gone open beta yet.... as much fun as the gun play is now compared to the 1st builds, the game isn't self isn't even really visable yet, which kinda sucks :/
Come on march patch >.< |
Salazar Skye-fire
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2013.02.14 11:27:00 -
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LOLZ COD CLONE, you lost credibility after saying that.
i dont recall anything in this game being reminiscent of COD,
you dont unlock a new gun or gear after you have shot a few ppl or capped an objective,
you dont shoot an enemy in the pinky toe with one round and they die,
maps are not the size of a walk in closet,
and the engine isnt the same thing from over a decade ago.
so i fail to see how this comes off as a COD clone in any shape or form. |
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Herrick Arcos
The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries
56
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Posted - 2013.02.14 11:34:00 -
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Salazar Skye-fire wrote:LOLZ COD CLONE, you lost credibility after saying that.
i dont recall anything in this game being reminiscent of COD,
you dont unlock a new gun or gear after you have shot a few ppl or capped an objective,
you dont shoot an enemy in the pinky toe with one round and they die,
maps are not the size of a walk in closet,
and the engine isnt the same thing from over a decade ago.
so i fail to see how this comes off as a COD clone in any shape or form.
I strongly agree. You don't get all your guns, armor and equipment for free. You cant run willy nilly around the battlefield spraying and praying and expect to achieve anything unless your facing a bunch of blueberries with bloodlust for the MCC. I fail to see any sense of a comparison. |
Cyril Akito
Niflheim Legionnaire
5
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Posted - 2013.02.14 11:45:00 -
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Seeing how this game is currently, i do have high hopes for it . CCP really need to revamp this game core playstyle. Run and Kill that's all i can see, not just you can kill me and you're good. They need more mission based objectives, matches mode that make people want to play more, make people think their Kills/Deaths ain't important and they can get rewards/achievements when they can succeed in their particular roles. I'm a CoD hater, there's once i bought the game, play it and sold it the next day, but i love the story mode though. |
KalOfTheRathi
CowTek
168
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Posted - 2013.02.14 11:46:00 -
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Says the Merc named Sgt S-Laughter, "I can't even justify this game anymore...". Paraphrasing here, because Skirmish is just a kill fest. I think I would call it a Slaughter but without a Kitten Barf Hyphen in it.
If you played MAG for three years you have patience for developers trying to turn a dead pigs ear into something better. Even though the process killed the development studio.
Why are you so impatient with DUST? CCP is cautious, slow, cautious, deliberate, very cautious when anything can affect the EVE economy and tends to take their time. This is not news. Maybe to you, but not to most everyone else. They have a lot of problems and we are seeing some of the changes work they way into the game. Some good and some not.
What we don't and won't know is how the resources are allocated to PS3 versus PS4 development. Nor what the schedule is for feature deployment and that is what really grates on you. It isn't as fast as you want. Wah, wah, QQ. Too bad, they never offered that information to you.
They offered a Beta and a Work In Progress. Yep, that's what it is. UI changes are coming, the SP Cap with roll over is coming and many other items but many of them require changes, QA time and more Beta testing. Surprise!
So, Bye.
Door, swinging gate, blah, blah, blah and your bum. |
Sgt S-Laughter
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
22
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Posted - 2013.02.14 12:23:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote: So, Bye.
Door, swinging gate, blah, blah, blah and your bum.
Who said I was quitting?
I played mag for 3 years, including the full beta... I'm not going anywhere.
This is general discussion, and my general thoughts currently are the stale state of this game. Currently, it sucks.
Yeah it's a beta. That is such a cop out response though. You'd do better off not saying anything and not bumping my thread.
CCP currently has 2 game modes released, and that is all I have to judge this game on. One of them is basically a bad CoD clone, and the other is the worst of MAG game modes (interdiction) played out with some really bad spawning concepts that should have never left the drawing board.
CCP gotta get this game in line quick!! This is not a closed beta where there is an nda and everyone is expecting major changes. This is open beta, where the game is in full view of the public, and the system is expected to basically be in... I really don't think they should have moved to open beta yet. The game as is really makes me doubt that it will be any better. The mistakes in game design are glaring.
CCP may have made an amazing game world with EVE. I've had several of my friends cite their success with EVE as why I should have faith in DUST. Here is the problem though... They have basically only done EVE <_< A space mmo... Not an fps... And from the maps and game play it shows. My fear is mostly that CCP doesn't know what it needs to get into this game to break it apart from standard shooters. My fear is that they're just taking CoD, adding some extra clutter, and attaching it to an MMO.
No way am I quitting now. MAG had an excellent run, and DUST stands to pick up where MAG left off for persistent world fps. Without major system overhauls I wouldn't expect after release of open beta... It's gonna crash and burn.
I do not play DUST currently because I enjoy it. I play DUST currently only for the future, may it be so bright :\ |
Annabandak Mercery
Anunnaku Industrial Corp.
3
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Posted - 2013.02.14 12:48:00 -
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when you leave can i haz your stuff? |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
285
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Posted - 2013.02.14 12:54:00 -
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Bye then. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2013.02.14 13:12:00 -
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Sgt S-Laughter wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:um you do know this is a beta right? This is currently so far from the final product it's laughable.
Leave for a month or two, come back. You'll even have earned 3 million sp by then without playing so win/win. No one will blame you for getting tired of testing the watered down battle system that dust is going to use.
You do know this game is intended to play like savage right? Half fps half rts? That's nothing like COD. This had better be VERY far from the final project... Because as it sits, it's more than laughable, it's in the "complete disregard" pile. I am not exaggerating when I say "the only reason I'm playing now is to grind sp for future builds." I played through the entire MAG beta, I know how beta games play. During the MAG beta the game's core concepts of being an strategic, team based, objective oriented shooter was clearly present. In DUST it isn't :\
Dude.. we're like 1% in of all possible features. That is how beta we are. |
axis alpha
Red Star.
30
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Posted - 2013.02.14 13:21:00 -
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There a lot to look forward to with this game.. just gotta wait. |
Icedslayer
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
42
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Posted - 2013.02.14 13:29:00 -
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Sgt S-Laughter wrote:I can't even justify this game anymore... It feels like a CoD clone more and more every day.
Is the plan to have an objective driven fps experience interwoven into an MMO economy and territorial warfare?
Or is DUST trying to skip the 20 kill streak it takes to call in drastically superior fire power and map dominance?
I never liked CoD. I played a LOT of mag, over 3 years worth.
The skirmish objectives are a pointless side obstacle to what is really a larger KDR fest than ambush.
That's all I really have to say anymore :\ I played several games tonight, every single one had 1 team launch an early LAV rush to the other side's first objective, and the KDR fest ensued. It has been dominance from the first minute of the game, and the remaining players simply snipe each other for the duration of the game timer...
Or they leave <_< I've been thrown into several battles where the map is already completely red, and the blue dots are all perched for the cold war snipe off... Something should be done about that... Why does it join me to a game that is over before I can even spawn once?
This game needs a complete overhaul. I'm really surprised this is what they've released with their open beta <_<
I play this game now only to grind sp (one of the most annoying grinds of all games I've played) for a future build where the game CCP has really been working on replaces current dust entirely...
Or maybe I'll just go back to strategy pvp games, and leave the cartoon arcade shooters to the CoD fans.
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Deskalkulos Ildigan
CrimeWave Syndicate
115
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Posted - 2013.02.14 13:31:00 -
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If you remember, back in the past, in the early cbt. . . There was a Game-Mode that was pretty much Mag like. Then came skirmish, and we all can only hope, that the gamemode will return.
Edit: actually it seems that the old game mode was called skirmish too. Would explain why i cannot remember the name. . .At least the cbt manual still state it as skirmish :I |
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Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.02.14 14:09:00 -
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I do agree with you that the gameplay has gotten a bit stale of late. Its becoming a grind either for SP or ISK. There is no middle ground. |
Nomed Deeps
The Exemplars
91
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Posted - 2013.02.14 15:51:00 -
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The game is getting boring due to so little map content. I would gladly take a set of thrown together new maps over CCP tweaking the current few any more. Also, why does CCP keep making tweaks to sound effects? Had anyone really complained about sound effects? CCP's DUST 514 priorities really surprises me at times. |
GetShotUp
UnReaL.
85
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Posted - 2013.02.14 15:56:00 -
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Idk about anyone else but I'm still playing the beta. It's fine so far. |
IRuby Heart
DIOS EX.
326
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Posted - 2013.02.14 16:30:00 -
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Is this another thread where the OP complains about how bad the game is and how many bugs and lacking features and modes there are, but still continues to play the game everyday anyway, While also ignoring or refusing to acknowledge the fact that he is playing a beta and a lot more is still to come?
Sounds like it. |
iLLMaTiC619
KiLo.
19
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Posted - 2013.02.14 17:52:00 -
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the only thing imo that has gotten stale is the maps.. I love this game and the maps but we need more.. we have sent in ideas on what we want to see now all we have to do is wait and look @ SooN (tm) on our dorm room tv screens..
heard this game is only 25% more or less done... SO much more they will add.. just have to wait and see how fast or what kind of time table it will arrive |
Mocha Biscotti
Red Star.
10
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Posted - 2013.02.14 18:51:00 -
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Cyril Akito wrote:Seeing how this game is currently, i do have high hopes for it . CCP really need to revamp this game core playstyle. Run and Kill that's all i can see, not just you can kill me and you're good. They need more mission based objectives, matches mode that make people want to play more, make people think their Kills/Deaths ain't important and they can get rewards/achievements when they can succeed in their particular roles. I'm a CoD hater, there's once i bought the game, play it and sold it the next day, but i love the story mode though. I would LOVE if there was a stat on scoreboard for ASSISTS or Points Capped.
I might be third-fourth on the score board, but I look like a "scrub" because I only have 15 and 4, When everyone around me has 30 and 2.
>_> because i ran around and Capp'd objectives and healed and dropped uplinks. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
426
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Posted - 2013.03.11 04:28:00 -
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IRuby Heart wrote:Is this another thread where the OP complains about how bad the game is and how many bugs and lacking features and modes there are, but still continues to play the game everyday anyway, While also ignoring or refusing to acknowledge the fact that he is playing a beta and a lot more is still to come?
Sounds like it. But what new game can compete with such fantastic new content like retooled supply depos??......sarcasm. Dust 514 needs a growing userbase and not just a few diehards that will shoot the same few folks over and over.
And then Defiance launches and some of those folks migrate to another shooter. They then still remember Dust 514 but are happy playing a new game with new content and just decide to re-try the Dust beta sometime later but then other games launch and the gamers again postpone going back in favor of the newer games.
I still have faith in Dust 514 but its been October, November, December, January, Februrary, a good part of March and nothing, nothing and nothing??? of the promised content updates??
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XxWarlordxX97
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
504
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Posted - 2013.03.11 04:35:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:IRuby Heart wrote:Is this another thread where the OP complains about how bad the game is and how many bugs and lacking features and modes there are, but still continues to play the game everyday anyway, While also ignoring or refusing to acknowledge the fact that he is playing a beta and a lot more is still to come?
Sounds like it. But what new game can compete with such fantastic new content like retooled supply depos??......sarcasm. Dust 514 needs a growing userbase and not just a few diehards that will shoot the same few folks over and over. And then Defiance launches and some of those folks migrate to another shooter. They then still remember Dust 514 but are happy playing a new game with new content and just decide to re-try the Dust beta sometime later but then other games launch and the gamers again postpone going back in favor of the newer games. I still have faith in Dust 514 but its been October, November, December, January, Februrary, a good part of March and nothing, nothing and nothing??? of the promised content updates??
whats sup techy |
TheBLAZZED
VENGEANCE FOR HIRE
85
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Posted - 2013.03.11 04:36:00 -
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Uber bored.... They need to give us something to do. I can't wait for the RTS element. I love the game but hate state that it's currently in. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3069
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Posted - 2013.03.11 04:44:00 -
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RTS mode may not be in for another year or so also its not going to be something your corp is going to let you do on a whim after all 150 million isk MCCs are not cheaply replaced. |
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