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udc
Sektor Sieben Kybernetik GWK
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Posted - 2013.02.02 18:34:00 -
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Citrutex wrote:GM Vegas wrote:Ok guys, this is getting a bit out of hand so I would like to reiterate what has already been said: Harassment will not be tolerated. Feel free to report anything to [email protected]. We will investigate the issue further and take appropriate actions. I would also like to mention that Harassment is perceived differently by different people. Something that I find offensive might not be offensive to someone else and as such some consideration, to a certain degree, should be taken into account when such instance occurs. DUST 514 is a single shard MMO FPS and we want a friendly, united community but let's face it, in this day and age of the internet, there will always be someone to ruin the fun for everyone else! Is the act of boxing someone in, for no reason at all other than we can, considered harassment? Is this similar to 'bumping' in eve? Where the simple act of is not punishable but repeated intentional griefing of a single player for an extended period of time is?
how creepy do you have to be to box in a character because its female? If you have to ask, you are in the wrong. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.02 18:38:00 -
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I try to block anyone I see actually walking around just for kickes. I dont care what the gender their clone might be. |
V1RONXSS
AL0NE Inc.
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Posted - 2013.02.02 18:45:00 -
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Kosen Driago
WarRavens
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Posted - 2013.02.02 18:47:00 -
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What ever happens, NOBODY should be banned for sexual harassment just for following and wlking into somebody on the warbarge. I think that would just be too much. Other games with online play have a reporting option which i think was a pretty good idea but with a game as big as this one something like that could get a bit out of hand. Maybe just a verbal abuse report option would be acceptable. Also there are alrady blocking and mute options, dont be afraid to use them. From what ive read it doesnt seem like most of these people with the complaints have even tried that. |
Panther Alpha
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2013.02.02 18:48:00 -
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GM Vegas wrote:Ok guys, this is getting a bit out of hand so I would like to reiterate what has already been said: Harassment will not be tolerated. Feel free to report anything to [email protected]. We will investigate the issue further and take appropriate actions. I would also like to mention that Harassment is perceived differently by different people. Something that I find offensive might not be offensive to someone else and as such some consideration, to a certain degree, should be taken into account when such instance occurs. DUST 514 is a single shard MMO FPS and we want a friendly, united community but let's face it, in this day and age of the internet, there will always be someone to ruin the fun for everyone else!
I hope when you say "investigate", you mean making sure that the complaint is genuine, and not a dude with a female character pretending to be a woman. You have to be careful how you deal with this, is a very tricky subject to deal with in a "Virtual" environment. After all is a "game" that we talking about, not "real" life. |
udc
Sektor Sieben Kybernetik GWK
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Posted - 2013.02.02 18:54:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:I try to block anyone I see actually walking around just for kickes. I dont care what the gender their clone might be.
same. I stay in character 100% of the time while in Dust. Clones aren't trained to wander the deck of the barge. We stand tall and proud like the godless killing machines we are. If anyone in my corp gets out of line I get VERY cross. |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
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Posted - 2013.02.02 20:14:00 -
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Pays 2 Win wrote:Severus Smith wrote:They have chat logs. And if it's over a mic they will probably just record the situation on that players record, and if it occurs multiple times act on it. Though, they can easily record mic conversations too - it's over their servers.
And I hope that anyone caught harassing any player is permabanned with no warning. I'm personally sick of this behavior still existing in the gaming community and it will continue to exist until someone (come on CCP) responds with bans and not slaps on the wrist for such disgusting behavior and we as a community don't stay quiet but speak up for the poor person being harassed.
Real men treat women with respect. It's little boys who pick on them and treat them like this... Yeah if someone is stupid enough to do it on chat or voice they deserve to punished. What he is saying that what CCP Eterne said leaves a big gapping hole. Sexual Harassment should be defined. It is not. For example;- If I teabag someone be it a guy or girl does that count as sexual harassment? Gamers forever have been teabagging other gamers. And if someone really has aproblem with another person they could always block them. Its simple. Seems too sexist to me.
I'm going to assume that sexual harassment extends only to things done to the player, not the avatar. Otherwise we gotta change out name to TRUE CRIMINAL SEXUAL CONDUCT IN THE FOURTH DEGREE'ERS. Just don't really have the same ring to it.
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Latina-Maffia
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
6
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Posted - 2013.02.02 22:34:00 -
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As GM Vegas said, we all take things differently.
Personally myself as a woman, I don't take the online gaming community actions seriously and I sure as hell won't be letting any C*** swinging male avatar control my actions as to my game time. I don't mind the boxing in and as far as any verbal crap coming outta their mouth...well, they won't like the comebacks or the end result of their inappropriate immature actions. So, I say don't let it all get under your skin. |
Latina-Maffia
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
6
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Posted - 2013.02.02 22:43:00 -
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Don Von Hulio wrote:Enkidu Camuel wrote:I think this is getting a little bit derailed... we are here trying to find a solution for the problem of getting boxed by four guys or more in the prebattle room (yes it happened to me more than once) or stalked like no tomorrow, I mean I don't mind that my character attracts attention (mostly when I'm using a scout dropsuit) but four people or more people stalking you? that's a little bit overkill, I can tell that I played as many female chars in several other MMO's and this is actually the first time I'm seeing this type of harassment, now I understand how the girls feels when they're facing this lol. If getting boxed in is the "real" issue at hand... that's really immature to get mad about. Ya its annoying when it happens, but seriously. I cant believe anyone would think its such a huge problem that it needs to be addressed. If that legitimately makes you mad, then you deserve it because you are probably not old enough to play this game anyways.
For you to open your mouth saying that someone would deserves something like that is absolute horse S***t. You have no idea what people are like or what they've gone through in their personal lives! Anyone should be able to game, to enjoy this beautiful lifestyle and no have to deal with something in this situation if they aren't comfortable. Also, as far as taking the dumb ass step of assuming someone's age based on a post is ludicrous.
So with all that said and before you get back on your soapbox of mindless babble...which happens to make you look like an ass by the way....please think before you open your mouth again and embarrass yourself. |
Citrutex
The High and Mighty
64
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Posted - 2013.02.02 23:01:00 -
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udc wrote:how creepy do you have to be to box in a character because its female? If you have to ask, you are in the wrong.
Read my post again. Sorry, but I won't discriminate, I hate everyone equally. |
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Kazeno Rannaa
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
145
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Posted - 2013.02.02 23:14:00 -
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Phoenix Archer 128 wrote:Kazeno Rannaa wrote: Only by actively addressing the issue at hand can you hope to produce the change that you seek, primarily through discussion and the development of understanding. Being passive on the mic and not airing the issue as it occurs, you can not hope to address the issue at the source of its occurrence.
I'm just going to say this: Most women fed up with this behavior have tried, many, many times, to ask (or told) guys to stop harassing them. Most of the time it results in MORE harassment. Very, very rarely will a guy stop because their target asked them to; it is a challenge to them to be worse. You can say "keep trying and someone will eventually stop" but when the normal response is to be worse...is the remote possibility of getting it to stop really better than all the extra harassment received? And...why is it on the woman to get them to stop? What about all the guys that sit there and say nothing?
Fighting viciously with someone though doesn't really produce a long lasting result either. It is only a short term solution. And in all honesty, imposing your will upon someone only produces a situation where the the individual that was imposed upon only seeks those opportunities to escape the imposition of unwanted regimentation.
So be careful on how you begin to approach a problem and devise your solution. By actively interacting and engaging the perpetrator of the offense with a more compassionate stance, you will be able to educate them to the pain their action brings. It is not about it being the responsibility of either just the man or the woman, rather it is the responsibility of both in helping create a more equitable social situation.
Attacking my perceptions and view points are not winning you or anyone else brownie points. I am just offering you an alternative. |
Phoenix Archer 128
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.02.02 23:41:00 -
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Kazeno Rannaa wrote:Phoenix Archer 128 wrote:Kazeno Rannaa wrote: Only by actively addressing the issue at hand can you hope to produce the change that you seek, primarily through discussion and the development of understanding. Being passive on the mic and not airing the issue as it occurs, you can not hope to address the issue at the source of its occurrence.
I'm just going to say this: Most women fed up with this behavior have tried, many, many times, to ask (or told) guys to stop harassing them. Most of the time it results in MORE harassment. Very, very rarely will a guy stop because their target asked them to; it is a challenge to them to be worse. You can say "keep trying and someone will eventually stop" but when the normal response is to be worse...is the remote possibility of getting it to stop really better than all the extra harassment received? And...why is it on the woman to get them to stop? What about all the guys that sit there and say nothing? Fighting viciously with someone though doesn't really produce a long lasting result either. It is only a short term solution. And in all honesty, imposing your will upon someone only produces a situation where the the individual that was imposed upon only seeks those opportunities to escape the imposition of unwanted regimentation. So be careful on how you begin to approach a problem and devise your solution. By actively interacting and engaging the perpetrator of the offense with a more compassionate stance, you will be able to educate them to the pain their action brings. It is not about it being the responsibility of either just the man or the woman, rather it is the responsibility of both in helping create a more equitable social situation. Attacking my perceptions and view points are not winning you or anyone else brownie points. I am just offering you an alternative. Did you even read what I wrote? Do you also have any experience whatsoever with this?
No?
OK, then.
I will repeat it since you didn't understand the first time; the guys that do this BS do not listen to reason, and any attempts by the woman to get it to stop will almost certainly get met with even more harassment. Nicely asked or not, it doesn't matter; result is almost always the same. And, if you don't think the initial reaction to try to get it to stop was asking nicely, you are kidding yourself. The bitterness comes from years of harassment, years of trying to get it to end, and seeing guys making BS excuses for its continued existence; niceness never got any results, so it gets pushed to the side in favor of trying to fight back using harsher words.
And I will repeat this again, since you didn't answer it either; why is it on us to get it to stop, and not the guys listening to what is going on? Why must the victims always be the ones to have to do something to get their attacker to stop, and not the bystanders (who, by doing nothing, tell the harasser that it is OK to keep doing it)?
It is so damn easy for a guy to make excuses, to give "advice" to someone who is being harassed when they themselves never have been, and never will be. If you cared, you'd actually do something to get it to stop, rather than try to pass the buck and place the blame on the victims. |
Citrutex
The High and Mighty
64
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Posted - 2013.02.03 00:16:00 -
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Phoenix Archer 128 wrote:wall of text You seem to assume that men have never dealt with harassment nor will they ever get the chance to be harassed therefore there is no possible way they can know anything about this subject.
Sorry but you're wrong. |
Naustradamus Oracle
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2013.02.03 00:17:00 -
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This threat is still active? The OP was 3 days ago.
In all honesty, I sympathies with women in multilayer games, the harassment they get, and the overall BS still surrounding the perception of 'female gamer', etc
But I honestly vote for this thread to be closed.
Granted, it's a important subject for Dust, as well as many other online games and such, but from my experience both seeing and being part of similar threads for other games, this is not going to get us anywhere. Most people on forums that reply to these kinds of threads aren't part of the male group that perform such acts online, and it simply ends up becomes a over-length thread of discussions and others becoming angry and some flaming.
The question for the opening post was answered, hopefully CCP can implement a in game reporting feature as well to quicken the process.
I have my own opinion on the subject, but all in all, this forum isn't the best place for this discussion simply because even if we came to a full agreement, those posting, and those just reading are still just a really tiny part of the total Dust Community.
Unless we can start talking about this in a way that it'll reach out to all players, thread like these add nothing but frustration. Just quick example of what I mean: CCP could make a quick video that can be played from neocom, a daily notice with a link to the conversation, or CCP could maybe even sponsor that all girl Corp that was being put together (not sure it did or not) to show that girls can kick ass as well and better the most.
Anyways, sorry for wasting your time, that's my 2 cents, and I'm out |
Phoenix Archer 128
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.02.03 00:28:00 -
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Citrutex wrote:Phoenix Archer 128 wrote:wall of text You seem to assume that men have never dealt with harassment nor will they ever get the chance to be harassed therefore there is no possible way they can know anything about this subject. Sorry but you're wrong. So, you get lewd comments thrown at you from the other gender anytime you have your mic on with randoms? You have women saying all sorts of nasty things they want to do to you, should you meet? You have woman constantly remarking about how you shouldn't be playing the game, how you should be pleasing your woman or finding one and doing everything she asks?
We are talking about harassment in games, something I bet you just would watch happen if you ever heard it. Doubt you'd even realize its going on, since you may even be the one starting it. When you get harassed every match you have your mic on, come and talk here, or start a new thread. |
Citrutex
The High and Mighty
64
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Posted - 2013.02.03 00:35:00 -
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Phoenix Archer 128 wrote:wall of text
I worked in a skilled nursing facility for 3 years, often being the only male on shift. I wont go into details, beacuse it's not important. So please, stop the man hate. That's all. |
Phoenix Archer 128
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.02.03 01:09:00 -
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Citrutex wrote: So please, stop the man hate. That's all.
So its OK...for men to hate on women...but not OK...for women to hate on men?
Makes sense... |
Panther Alpha
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2013.02.03 01:12:00 -
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Phoenix Archer 128 wrote:Citrutex wrote: So please, stop the man hate. That's all.
So its OK...for men to hate on women...but not OK...for women to hate on men? Makes sense...
Change "Hate" for "Hit", that may sound a bit more accurate |
Citrutex
The High and Mighty
64
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Posted - 2013.02.03 01:12:00 -
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Phoenix Archer 128 wrote:Citrutex wrote: So please, stop the man hate. That's all.
So its OK...for men to hate on women...but not OK...for women to hate on men? Makes sense...
And where exactly did I imply that?
Sexual harassment is not ok under any circumstance, and i doubt anyone would disagree with that statement. |
Phoenix Archer 128
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.02.03 01:25:00 -
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Citrutex wrote:Phoenix Archer 128 wrote:Citrutex wrote: So please, stop the man hate. That's all.
So its OK...for men to hate on women...but not OK...for women to hate on men? Makes sense... And where exactly did I imply that? Sexual harassment is not ok under any circumstance, and i doubt anyone would disagree with that statement. Then, why do you keep implying that it is not a problem in game and saying that women need to stop complaining about it? |
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Citrutex
The High and Mighty
64
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Posted - 2013.02.03 01:31:00 -
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Phoenix Archer 128 wrote:Then, why do you keep implying that it is not a problem in game and saying that women need to stop complaining about it?
Again, where exactly did I ever imply that? |
Phoenix Archer 128
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.02.03 01:41:00 -
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Citrutex wrote:Phoenix Archer 128 wrote:Then, why do you keep implying that it is not a problem in game and saying that women need to stop complaining about it? Again, where exactly did I ever imply that? Read your posts again. Dismissing posts as "wall of texts". Not answering questions directed at you, but brushing them aside with irrelevant topics. Saying to "stop the man hate"
But I don't know why I'm bothering to respond to you anymore; you'll just keep ignoring and go about telling us to deal with it ourselves. |
Citrutex
The High and Mighty
64
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Posted - 2013.02.03 01:52:00 -
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Phoenix Archer 128 wrote:Dismissing posts as "wall of texts". 10. Spamming, bumping and pyramid quoting are prohibited. I'm sorry if it offended you that i chose to not empty quote, and follow the forum rules by snipping the quote.
Phoenix Archer 128 wrote: Not answering questions directed at you, but brushing them aside with irrelevant topics. Saying to "stop the man hate"
When? where? My responses were completely relevant. Your posts have teetered on the side of Misandry, i'm apologize that i decided to call you out on it. I didn't mean to offend. If it was inappropriate, or could be considered sexual harassment, gm's please ban me now. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
168
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Posted - 2013.02.03 08:21:00 -
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Common sense and common courtesy are to rapidly vanishing behaviors these days. It's a sad fact. |
Kazeno Rannaa
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
145
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Posted - 2013.02.03 18:28:00 -
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Thor Thunder Fist wrote:Enkidu Camuel wrote:I think this is getting a little bit derailed... we are here trying to find a solution for the problem of getting boxed by four guys or more in the prebattle room (yes it happened to me more than once) or stalked like no tomorrow, I mean I don't mind that my character attracts attention (mostly when I'm using a scout dropsuit) but four people or more people stalking you? that's a little bit overkill, I can tell that I played as many female chars in several other MMO's and this is actually the first time I'm seeing this type of harassment, now I understand how the girls feels when they're facing this lol.
only takes 3 guys to box you in 4 is overkill. and really boxing people in isn't harassment.... unless the same 3 people do it to the same person every single match. [/quote]
Actually, it can be considered harassment. Any kind of unwanted, unsolicited interactions could be categorized as harassment. Be aware to the fact that you are attempting to negate and dispossess a person of their view point, feelings, and perceptions through your statement.
I think one of the biggest issues here is the fact that a majority of the participants in this discussion seem to be in a constant battle to save face and protect/defend their earlier comments, fearing that if they do not do so, that they would be less of a person in the eyes of other participants on the forums. I don't think that would necessarily be the case, yet people do have those kind of conscious and unconscious fears residing within themselves all the time. This also is a product of the socialization that occurs to all of us as we grow up within our respective sociocultural and sociopolitical environments (i.e., school, sports, bars, work places, family homes, etc.).
Also one should attempt to keep in mind that when one judges another's work, posting, comments or what ever, that a person tends to do so through the uniquely shaped lens of perception that was shaped by those environments and events. To think that a single person's view is the only on that matters, can be considered egotistical, arrogant, and narcissistic amongst other ways of attaching pejorative semantical understandings to another person in the hopes of denigrating that person's perceptions and thoughts so as to raise ones' self up and supplant the power dynamic. So to attempt to negate one individual's understanding of an interaction and supplant it with that version that justifies the observer's position is an attempt to seize power from them. |
Cole Vance
DUST University Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2013.02.03 18:38:00 -
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Round3y3 wrote:I've got to agree with you on some level. The childish babble that comes along with playing an online fps is probably the worst part of the game, with all due respect to the work that has been put into this title of course. although i must say, this game seems to have a better community, but if casual FPS players start coming in, it's going to devolve, so something like this would be good. |
Swufy
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
70
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Posted - 2013.02.03 19:08:00 -
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Two things, CCP has put in a block and a mute feature. That's how you get rid of those sexist bastards. That's about all they can do. I do agree that we need a way of reporting inappropriate names though. Like there was a guy's name who was just a racial slur. Not cool. |
Zero Harpuia
Maverick Conflict Solutions
422
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Posted - 2013.02.03 19:19:00 -
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Swufy wrote:Two things, CCP has put in a block and a mute feature. That's how you get rid of those sexist bastards. That's about all they can do. I do agree that we need a way of reporting inappropriate names though. Like there was a guy's name who was just a racial slur. Not cool.
Well, it is a beta. At least he tested the profanity filter before the game hit full release. |
Pakratpatti TG
Like a Boss.
2
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Posted - 2013.02.03 19:33:00 -
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I Hated the same Stupidity from guys did when i had a Female Avatar so after the reset i chose a male 1, Besides if i have to run around i'd rather look at a guys Back Side then a female's if i'm playing it :S We have a few guys with Female Avatars & we joke with them about wearing a thong & heckle them to strut their stuff, but we're right there to box in a non corp person acting Stupid in the War room so they leave them alone. Fun is fun but there are ALOT of Idiots that take it Waaay to far & actually hound them like a pack of wolves after fresh meat. I also think if you could put a hit out on them they'd take it an accomplishment & strive to get them even more & it would essentially make the whole matter even worse. My solution is to get into a good Corp with like minded ppl & have fun with ppl that have your back on & off the Battlefield. |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2013.02.06 12:33:00 -
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Kazekami Katsu wrote:First off, it's bad enough just having a female avatar having people follow you around going "OMG your character has [mammary glands] ! i better stare at them as much I can right now, 'cuz no woman would ever let me do that in real-life." If you try and walk away they just hound you down during the entire time you're waiting on the bridge before the match starts. God forbid if I actually speak aloud to a squadmate, who then thinks he's allowed all manner of hate-speech imaginable for the insufferable nature of having a woman on his squad..
I'd rather not have the bridge that have people chase me every single game, then hear such wonderful things when I join a match without people I know. There needs to be a way to report these actions and to prevent them why are you playing as a female character?
but i agree on that |
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