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Phoenix Archer 128
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.02.01 04:05:00 -
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Lady Hyuna wrote:Phoenix Archer 128 wrote:Imp Smash wrote:Would this work both ways? ie. if a female harasses a male on the Internet? Would the male then be able to report them? Its so rare that a woman will harass a man for being a man (for one, its rare enough to find one in game), but yes, if there was actual harassment The reason you see less of it is one, a lot of us tend to play male characters to get away from that harassment. Since there is a lot of men you can't keep their mind out of the gutter, we play as men characters and act like it. we are automatically treated as equals. Its kinda sad, but that is how things tend to flow in the game world. I mean its not like we get the same pleasure out of staring at man's ass in a mmo like a man does playing a female character. Not true. Its always the voice, in my experience. I'm played a number of shooters, some of which have had female models, some without, but its always been after I speak that the real harassment happens |
Noraa Anderson
Nox Aeterna Security
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Posted - 2013.02.01 04:11:00 -
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I wish guys were crowding around to stare at my character's ass, (seriously, CCP artist, great work with the caldari assault I can't wait to see what you do with the caldari heavy) but if you're getting trash talk on the mic either trash talk back or let your game skills do the talking. Join a corp and find people you can squad with who won't judge players by gender and you will find this game a lot more enjoyable. |
Thor Thunder Fist
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.02.01 04:36:00 -
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don't take being boxed in on the war barge personally when I run with my mates we pick someone with either a name/dropsuit that gets our attention and box them in. or when I'm rollin with phoenix the whole guy telepathy thing kicks in and we all swarm her without saying a word to each other XD. I actually look forward to a female being in the squad one because it's a nice change from all the men talking and because they think of different ways of doing things then we would without them. anyways if you lookin for some cool peeps to roll with look me n phoenix up. you might still get boxed though I do love boxing people in..... |
Kazekami Katsu
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.02.01 06:49:00 -
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Sylvana Nightwind wrote:Petition system works wonders. Email [email protected] or play with friends in squad and never hear those people again. Recording them also is a good way to document the harassment, but you'll always have it in games like this. You have no idea how COD and BF3 are...
It'd be real nice if the people on the support side would respond to it.
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.02.01 08:34:00 -
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I have cleaned up some inappropriate remarks in this thread.
Additionally, harassment of people based on their gender (or sexuality, or race, or religion, or anything of that nature) absolutely will not be tolerated. An e-mail to [email protected] will eventually will be looked at by our game masters and dealt with appropriately.
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Don Von Hulio
UnReaL.
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Posted - 2013.02.01 08:48:00 -
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Oh noe's. You sound like you've never played an online game before. Everyone goes ape sh** when they hear a girl on the mic. And you making a big deal over it is not the best way to go about it. There is a block function, and a mute option. And getting irritated because some people are "hounding" you is a bit ridiculous... especially when everyone is stuck on the bridge without a choice anyway.
And there is always those people who are just ingrates, or annoying in general. Mute/block them.
I get "hounded" because i have Primordial militia gear. You don't see me posting a thread whining about all the people grinding on my suit trying to get the camera in my dudes crotch.
Please, grow up and enjoy the game for the love of god and all that is holy. |
Mars El'Theran
Red Rogue Squadron Heart 0f Darkness
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Posted - 2013.02.01 08:53:00 -
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I have people follow me around and crowd me on the war barge too, and I think it hardly has anything to do with my gender as I am playing a male character.
Don't be so certain that it is about that, though I suppose it may be, and honestly.. I don't see how it is a real issue. Your character is not you, and it doesn't look like you. It doesn't even have a face, and the body proportions are the same as every other female avatar in the same suit.
It might have to do with the suit you are wearing, and the fact that it is different from theirs. Perhaps they think it is an AUR bought suit and they are crowding you for that. It is a more likely form of discrimination. I'm fairly certain most of the crowding I received was while I was wearing my 'Primordial' Militia Assault suit as a favorite suit; nobody seems to bother me in my 'Skinweave' Assault suit.
I may have actually been a team leader a few times too. Might not hurt to take that into consideration as well and have a look next time. |
Razekial Flameclaw
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.01 09:16:00 -
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You will always get it, its why my wife doesnt play games.
I know a few girl gamers who have had similar issues but they let their playing do the talking - personally if they can kill me then fine, if they can play as a squad then fine, but unfortunately you will never change the mental age of some gamers and the OMG its a woman! syndrome will always be around.
I remember one time me and the missus went into a comic book store - i wanted to buy a present for a mate of mine hows a mad comic book geek - the entire shop stopped and gawked at her like the'd never seen a girl before.
Race, gender, regilion or sexuality doesnt bother me, each to their own, just dont force it on me.
for the % of peple who harass there is probably an equal % who don't - just have to find a corp thats in the don't :) |
Matobar
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.01 13:54:00 -
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People being harassed is no joke, regardless of why it's going on. Just the other day Riot Games Permabanned a few people, pro players actually, for being anti-semetic and just plain mean to other players. This kind of harsh stance is exactly what is necessary in order to keep the player base from destroying itself.
I'm not saying that good-natured ribbing should be punished. People should know that they have the ability, at any time, to submit a report of harassment to CCP, and that this report will be reviewed and taken seriously. If players, of any gender or background, can't feel safe playing DUST, then they simply won't play, which is bad for everyone in the long run. And I don't think I speak for myself when I say that I'm actually pretty sick of videogaming's reputation as a haven for the worst womanizers and children society has to offer, where all girls should fear to tread.
Denying that harassment is happening is just letting the problem continue. It's very easy to say "just ignore it" or "HTFU" if you're not the one with the problem. The best thing you can do is show support for the affected party, either in this thread, or by submitting a report if you witness harassment going on. In this way you can help CCP build a better gaming community for DUST, one that deserves to play this epic game we're getting from them. |
Norbar Recturus
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
119
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Posted - 2013.02.01 14:18:00 -
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Quote:Oh noe's. You sound like you've never played an online game before. Everyone goes ape sh** when they hear a girl on the mic.
Speak for yourself. I don't go googly when I hear a female voice over coms (in any game). I think to myself, "Oh, it's a girl. Okay," and then proceed TO NOT CARE.
Why would you treat a woman or girl any differently in a game? There is almost a 0 probability that you ever meet them so the question of "Can I get laid?" is immediately answered. Being nice to a woman for the sake of them being female on a game is probably the most ******** thing you could ever do outside of intentional self sabotage. If they have something in game that you want (gold, items, help) then by all means, be nice... but ask yourself this: "Wouldn't I do the same thing for my fellow male gamers?"
Yes you would. People are self serving in games. We do what is in our best interest (almost always) because that's the motivation of a game: to do well and to win.
The argument could be made that harassment to make your opponent surrender is valid harassment... but that really applies in true warfare only. This is a game. Games have rules. You must operate in the confines of those rules. Though I would hope that the lack of harassment would be from the quality of your character (not in game) and not because some Mod said, "no no, that's baaaaaaad, kay?"
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Kazeno Rannaa
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
145
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Posted - 2013.02.01 15:37:00 -
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I see the old thread coming back to life. Careful, it was a locked and closed thread that got me banned, and you wouldn't want that to happen to you.
On a real not, the sexual harassment, racially charged innuendo, obviously discriminatory comments, and the like seem to have no end in their occurrence. To be off mic and to say nothing is to give tacit consent to the action. IF you have your mic on and you voice your concern for what is being said, then you can be an active participant in helping mitigate this occurrence.
This is to say that the act itself, especially in this day and age or in any day and age for that matter, is unnecessary, unwanted, and it corrupts people because of the fact of their exposure to such acts (i.e., socialization).
If you want change, be the change that you seek. Be intelligent and compassionate in how you address the issue with the person committing the transgression. THEN go out on the battlefield and teach them a thing or two.
BUT to be on the safe side, when it does happen, feel free, like others have suggested, to post the occurrence up on the forums and use embarrassment and humiliation on the forums to instigate those individuals to change their behavior through some good old fashion peer pressure. OR be the adult and pull them off to the side and have a conversation with them and address the issue of your dislike for the comments and actions portrayed onto you. THEN if that doesn't work, SHAME THEM AWAY! |
Phoenix Archer 128
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Posted - 2013.02.01 15:38:00 -
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Don Von Hulio wrote:Oh noe's. You sound like you've never played an online game before. Everyone goes ape sh** when they hear a girl on the mic. And you making a big deal over it is not the best way to go about it. There is a block function, and a mute option. And getting irritated because some people are "hounding" you is a bit ridiculous... especially when everyone is stuck on the bridge without a choice anyway.
And there is always those people who are just ingrates, or annoying in general. Mute/block them.
I get "hounded" because i have Primordial militia gear. You don't see me posting a thread whining about all the people grinding on my suit trying to get the camera in my dudes crotch.
Please, grow up and enjoy the game for the love of god and all that is holy. You're honestly just part of the problem.
"There's nothing wrong with getting lewd comments thrown at you and being harassed for something you cannot control. Just shut up and deal with it"
No. There is no reason for anyone to do that, and the guys that do (and those that defend them) are absolute scum.
I wonder when our society actually goes beyond this crap. |
Kazeno Rannaa
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
145
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Posted - 2013.02.01 15:45:00 -
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Phoenix Archer 128 wrote:Don Von Hulio wrote:Oh noe's. You sound like you've never played an online game before. Everyone goes ape sh** when they hear a girl on the mic. And you making a big deal over it is not the best way to go about it. There is a block function, and a mute option. And getting irritated because some people are "hounding" you is a bit ridiculous... especially when everyone is stuck on the bridge without a choice anyway.
And there is always those people who are just ingrates, or annoying in general. Mute/block them.
I get "hounded" because i have Primordial militia gear. You don't see me posting a thread whining about all the people grinding on my suit trying to get the camera in my dudes crotch.
Please, grow up and enjoy the game for the love of god and all that is holy. You're honestly just part of the problem. "There's nothing wrong with getting lewd comments thrown at you and being harassed for something you cannot control. Just shut up and deal with it" No. There is no reason for anyone to do that, and the guys that do (and those that defend them) are absolute scum. I wonder when our society actually goes beyond this crap.
Careful about making your own decisions that are based upon arbitrary understandings and assumptions. And this is not to say that your statement about not accepting that behavior is not on point, at least in my eyes. Yet the language you used to describe the purported assailant only perpetuates the cycle of attacking and staunchly defending ones actions, no matter how socially and universally out of tune and balance they are.
Throw discriminatory behavior at someone, don't be surprised if you get it back.
Just my 0.02 ISK, and an observation. |
Kazeno Rannaa
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
145
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Posted - 2013.02.01 15:55:00 -
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Lady Hyuna wrote:+1 but that is why I have been playing solo with out a mic squad, to avoid those idiots. It is hard enough having people hover around you in heavy suits and such while you are reading the line up in the waiting room; I don't need to hear them go through puberty at the same time. I get enough of that being on ps home.
Well, if you ever care to squad up, I would be honored to have an intelligent conversation with someone during a match. It seems this social problem is more rampant in our little community than we thought. Then again I noticed it when I posted a thread about the representation of women in DUST. There are a lot of underdeveloped man children (if not people, but it seems that I hear it more from men, if not exclusively from them) in this game, not to mention the institutionalized racism and homophobia.
Only by actively addressing the issue at hand can you hope to produce the change that you seek, primarily through discussion and the development of understanding. Being passive on the mic and not airing the issue as it occurs, you can not hope to address the issue at the source of its occurrence.
Mind you these are only suggestions from a currently narrowed view point that is attempting to widen and expand itself. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
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Posted - 2013.02.01 16:04:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:I have cleaned up some inappropriate remarks in this thread. Additionally, harassment of people based on their gender (or sexuality, or race, or religion, or anything of that nature) absolutely will not be tolerated. An e-mail to [email protected] will eventually will be looked at by our game masters and dealt with appropriately.
No offense, its easy for a guy to dress up in a girls suit and claim someone else has been harassing them. You need a better way than just taking the word of someone saying someone harassed them. |
Severus Smith
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.01 16:19:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:No offense, its easy for a guy to dress up in a girls suit and claim someone else has been harassing them. You need a better way than just taking the word of someone saying someone harassed them. They have chat logs. And if it's over a mic they will probably just record the situation on that players record, and if it occurs multiple times act on it. Though, they can easily record mic conversations too - it's over their servers.
And I hope that anyone caught harassing any player is permabanned with no warning. I'm personally sick of this behavior still existing in the gaming community and it will continue to exist until someone (come on CCP) responds with bans and not slaps on the wrist for such disgusting behavior and we as a community don't stay quiet but speak up for the poor person being harassed.
Real men treat women with respect. It's little boys who pick on them and treat them like this... |
Pays 2 Win
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.01 16:30:00 -
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Severus Smith wrote:They have chat logs. And if it's over a mic they will probably just record the situation on that players record, and if it occurs multiple times act on it. Though, they can easily record mic conversations too - it's over their servers.
And I hope that anyone caught harassing any player is permabanned with no warning. I'm personally sick of this behavior still existing in the gaming community and it will continue to exist until someone (come on CCP) responds with bans and not slaps on the wrist for such disgusting behavior and we as a community don't stay quiet but speak up for the poor person being harassed.
Real men treat women with respect. It's little boys who pick on them and treat them like this...
Yeah if someone is stupid enough to do it on chat or voice they deserve to punished. What he is saying that what CCP Eterne said leaves a big gapping hole.
Sexual Harassment should be defined. It is not.
For example;- If I teabag someone be it a guy or girl does that count as sexual harassment? Gamers forever have been teabagging other gamers.
And if someone really has aproblem with another person they could always block them. Its simple.
Seems too sexist to me. |
Phoenix Archer 128
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.02.01 16:43:00 -
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Kazeno Rannaa wrote:Phoenix Archer 128 wrote:Don Von Hulio wrote:Oh noe's. You sound like you've never played an online game before. Everyone goes ape sh** when they hear a girl on the mic. And you making a big deal over it is not the best way to go about it. There is a block function, and a mute option. And getting irritated because some people are "hounding" you is a bit ridiculous... especially when everyone is stuck on the bridge without a choice anyway.
And there is always those people who are just ingrates, or annoying in general. Mute/block them.
I get "hounded" because i have Primordial militia gear. You don't see me posting a thread whining about all the people grinding on my suit trying to get the camera in my dudes crotch.
Please, grow up and enjoy the game for the love of god and all that is holy. You're honestly just part of the problem. "There's nothing wrong with getting lewd comments thrown at you and being harassed for something you cannot control. Just shut up and deal with it" No. There is no reason for anyone to do that, and the guys that do (and those that defend them) are absolute scum. I wonder when our society actually goes beyond this crap. Careful about making your own decisions that are based upon arbitrary understandings and assumptions. And this is not to say that your statement about not accepting that behavior is not on point, at least in my eyes. Yet the language you used to describe the purported assailant only perpetuates the cycle of attacking and staunchly defending ones actions, no matter how socially and universally out of tune and balance they are. Throw discriminatory behavior at someone, don't be surprised if you get it back. Just my 0.02 ISK, and an observation. Whenever I get into a discussion on this subject, this always comes up: "Because you can't take some 'lighthearted joking' (the harassment, as described by people who allow it or encourage it) you need to shut up about it and not 'harass' (speak against) us."
Someone who harasses and/or assaults someone does not deserve kind words to be used to describe them; to do so would be accepting of their behavior and encourages it more. Calling them out for their idiotic behavior (because it is idiotic to harass someone for something they cannot control; it shows a distinct lack of education/intelligence, good sense, and respect for others) is not inherently wrong; it is truthful and an attempt to get them to change, or at least try to get them to realize that they are doing something that is wrong.
You say that I am basing things on "arbitrary understandings and assumptions"...you are wrong. Try having this behavior lobbed at you for several years, by many, many people, and most times you have your mic on with randoms. Maybe if you had something similar happen to you, you'd understand why its a problem.
Its not about having feelings hurt, or not liking someone; it is an inherent problem with gamer/nerd culture that NEEDS to be addressed and stopped. Allowing it, looking the other way, treating the harassers nicely; this allows it to continue. Women hate it, but with the harassers ignoring them or becoming even more harsh when spoken against, other guys need to take a stand against them. |
Phoenix Archer 128
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Posted - 2013.02.01 16:51:00 -
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Kazeno Rannaa wrote: Only by actively addressing the issue at hand can you hope to produce the change that you seek, primarily through discussion and the development of understanding. Being passive on the mic and not airing the issue as it occurs, you can not hope to address the issue at the source of its occurrence.
I'm just going to say this: Most women fed up with this behavior have tried, many, many times, to ask (or told) guys to stop harassing them. Most of the time it results in MORE harassment. Very, very rarely will a guy stop because their target asked them to; it is a challenge to them to be worse.
You can say "keep trying and someone will eventually stop" but when the normal response is to be worse...is the remote possibility of getting it to stop really better than all the extra harassment received?
And...why is it on the woman to get them to stop? What about all the guys that sit there and say nothing? |
The Jesus Christ
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.02.01 16:52:00 -
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Hey, people follow me around on the bridge because of my username, wheres my report button?
People following you around happens very often on the bridge, most people do it out of boredom.
Although people saying stuff that may be sexist or count as harrassment does need to be reported and acted upon, but seriously, people following you around on the bridge? Thats been happening to me since early Beta and I dont have a female character nor am I female. |
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IRuby Heart
DIOS EX.
335
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Posted - 2013.02.01 17:05:00 -
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Grendel Aurelius wrote:I'd like to just take a moment to remind you that you are not really the person you see on your screen when playing this game. Neither are you really on a warbarge about to attack a planet with immortal clones. You are actually playing a game, which by its very definition tends to attract children or adults with a childlike disposition.
I can assure you that your terrible suffrage at the hands of people who are not actually there with you and cannot actually do anything relevant to you, does not warrant the title of 'harassment'.
*snipped sexist and political language* - CCP Eterne
This, was about to post this myself and I'm a female. Why get so worked up over someone staring at you in a video game in an area where there's literally nothing else to do anyway...
Voice harassment or harassment through messages on the other hand is something I don't tolerate. |
Matobar
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.01 17:06:00 -
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The Jesus Christ wrote:Hey, people follow me around on the bridge because of my username, wheres my report button?
People following you around happens very often on the bridge, most people do it out of boredom.
Although people saying stuff that may be sexist or count as harrassment does need to be reported and acted upon, but seriously, people following you around on the bridge? Thats been happening to me since early Beta and I dont have a female character nor am I female.
The fact that she was followed s not necessarily indicative of harassment, but it can be seen as part of a larger problem: the understood social norm that women in games have to "put up with" whatever men can do or say to them. The short answer: they don't. The long answer: a concerted effort should be made to encourage players who feel harassed/verbally attacked/discriminated against for any reason to submit a report or some other form of feedback to CCP. They need to know they have the ability to cry foul when it happens, and that CCP will listen to what they have to say.
I'm not calling CCP out on anything, but I do encourage them to make said effort. For a long time the enforcement of basic rules of social conduct in online games has been lax, especially in MMOs. And as I said previously, a bad social climate will drive away potential players, which hurts everyone. |
Phoenix Archer 128
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.02.01 17:13:00 -
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IRuby Heart wrote:Grendel Aurelius wrote:I'd like to just take a moment to remind you that you are not really the person you see on your screen when playing this game. Neither are you really on a warbarge about to attack a planet with immortal clones. You are actually playing a game, which by its very definition tends to attract children or adults with a childlike disposition.
I can assure you that your terrible suffrage at the hands of people who are not actually there with you and cannot actually do anything relevant to you, does not warrant the title of 'harassment'.
*snipped sexist and political language* - CCP Eterne This, was about to post this myself and I'm a female. Why get so worked up over someone staring at you in a video game in an area where there's literally nothing else to do anyway... Voice harassment or harassment through messages on the other hand is something I don't tolerate. I'm not even concerning myself with following people around and boxing them in on the Warbarge...its a non-issue to me. Sure, I'll comment to my friends about some guy following me around or staring, but its not a real issue to me; like everyone says, there's nothing to do and I see guys getting the same treatment a lot. Having a special suit (Skinweave, MAG, militia-BPO, alt-color AUR suits) seems to attract about the same or more attention than a woman. |
The Jesus Christ
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.02.01 17:26:00 -
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When they bring the Starmap back in or when they get that table to represent the actual battlefield I'll look at them, but until then I'll continue to try annoy people in the Warbarge. Especially in corp/merc battles where the wait is about 7 minutes. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
317
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Posted - 2013.02.01 18:15:00 -
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Although I completely agree that people in games can be absolutely ret@rded when it comes to speaking appropriately to a female.........this cannot be something that they do. This would completely ruin the game. How could there ever be proof of a "sexual harrassment" charge? Are we just going to take the word of the person who made the charge? Talk about giving trolls the tools they need to grief any player they want. If women are having a hard time with this then there are a couple options for them (already mentioned but ohwell). A) squad up with people you know so you dont have to listen to moronic kids (or college students). B) Turn off your mic so that you dont have to listen to them if they are going on and you choose not do to option A (or noone is on to do option A). C) understand that people on the internet are stupid moronic ret@rds and this is not something you will be able to change the best thing you can do is ignore it if you want to continue playing.
Another option if they dont stop is to just start TKing them. Enjoy the ghost LAV to TK the idiots who wont leave you alone. |
Matobar
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.01 19:37:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Although I completely agree that people in games can be absolutely ret@rded when it comes to speaking appropriately to a female.........this cannot be something that they do. This would completely ruin the game. How could there ever be proof of a "sexual harrassment" charge? Are we just going to take the word of the person who made the charge? Talk about giving trolls the tools they need to grief any player they want. If women are having a hard time with this then there are a couple options for them (already mentioned but ohwell). A) squad up with people you know so you dont have to listen to moronic kids (or college students). B) Turn off your mic so that you dont have to listen to them if they are going on and you choose not do to option A (or noone is on to do option A). C) understand that people on the internet are stupid moronic ret@rds and this is not something you will be able to change the best thing you can do is ignore it if you want to continue playing.
Another option if they dont stop is to just start TKing them. Enjoy the ghost LAV to TK the idiots who wont leave you alone.
So, I'll repeat myself here: it is extremely easy to say "squad with certain people only" or "turn of your mic" or "be a ****" as solutions to bad treatment. But this just points out the extremely unfair treatment women are receiving. The fact that we need these solutions at all is the main issue, and doing them will not change the overall problem: that women are treated very poorly in online videogames. None of the solutions you gave are going to fix that. The only way to effectively deal with the issue on a large scale is to empower all players with the ability to report anyone who wrongs them.
Your fear that trolls will use this as a griefing tool is pretty inaccurate. CCP is not dumb. They have ways of finding out if a report is legitimate or not. If a user has multiple reports from multiple people, it's a lot more likely that they are actually harassing people, and less likely that it's one dedicated troll trying to **** them over. Conversely, it's a simple matter to see if the accounts submitting the reports are all created by the same IP, which would indicate someone abusing the privilege, which would lead to that person's reprimanding, or worse, outright ban.
It's never a good idea to alienate a significant portion of the player community. 30% of the online gaming population today is adult women. Why shouldn't they be given a way to push back against people who attack them for being different? Not acknowledging the problem is just letting it go on and on, and all that is doing is hurting DUST in the long run. |
YourDeadAgain76
Red Star.
133
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Posted - 2013.02.01 19:40:00 -
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Grendel Aurelius wrote:I'd like to just take a moment to remind you that you are not really the person you see on your screen when playing this game. Neither are you really on a warbarge about to attack a planet with immortal clones. You are actually playing a game, which by its very definition tends to attract children or adults with a childlike disposition.
I can assure you that your terrible suffrage at the hands of people who are not actually there with you and cannot actually do anything relevant to you, does not warrant the title of 'harassment'.
*snipped sexist and political language* - CCP Eterne
LOL it funny someone had to say that. OMG Maybe CCP needs to develop theripist,police and lawyers on the warbarge.
Seriously Red star or other EON alliances have some women gamers and we treat them respectfully. We all have KDR requirments look at the recruitment threads. If u got game skills u gals should look into us. We dont discriminate or at least ive never seen/herd it. We take care of corpmates. If you aren't in a good corp i suggest u should. That will elliminate alot of your issues. Cause instead of someone messing with you, they mess with all in your corp. and for most newbunnies it will mean lots of deaths. Just a thought ladies.
Nerf harrassment its OP. |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
970
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Posted - 2013.02.01 20:33:00 -
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Very few men have any idea how much harrassment women have to deal with on a daily basis or how much they alter or curtail their own behavior in an attempt to avoid it. As a member of the privileged class it's easy to discount reports of harassment or feel personally accused of this behavior when it's brought to your attention. The inevitable "But what about women harassing men?" comment highlights the ignorance.
You've heard a little bit already, women muting thier mics or chosing male avitars to cut down on harassment. Nobody should have to do that. Telling the harrassed that they are solely responsible for dealing with the issue is thoughtless and selfish.
Motivations for harassment are many, but it exists for one reason: It is tollerated or encouraged.
It is every person's responsibility to condem this behavior and let violaters know that it is unacceptable. The environment has to change from one where these people feel free to spew their bile to one that is hostile to hatred and harassment. We can't cure everyone of their bias or stupidity, but we can create a place where they don't feel comfortable expressing it.
The good news is that it isn't difficult. Just speak out when you hear something inappropriate to let the offender know he isn't cool. A constant stream of negative reactions from his own peer group will eventually have an effect. |
Geth Massredux
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
63
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Posted - 2013.02.01 21:26:00 -
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Its funny how most of the female mercs in PUB matches are guys. |
SSBBW Amber
Church of the Unforgiven
26
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Posted - 2013.02.01 21:36:00 -
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ok before I say anything, I want to state, that I do not support or agree with sexual harassment.
That being said, some people need to spend some time in the Navy. OMG, women are just as bad, if not worse than men with the use of sexual overtones in their conversations. Those of you who think men are the biggest perpetrator of sexual harassment would be surprised. When I was in the Navy, they did a study and it was revealed that more men were harassed by women, than women by men. The difference is that men rarely report it and women almost always report it. In fact, during one of the many sensitivity training classes I had to sit through, we were straight up told that as a man, if we reported it the first thing that would happen is that we would get laughed at, and then our statement would be taken. Reason for it, because "men should be thankful if they get harassed by a women".
I don't condone the behavior, but some women, not all, but some do bring it on themselves. First, if you don't like it, say something. If that doesn't work, then report it. Second, watch what you say as well. If you talk or act in a manner that gives the impression that you are open to sexual discussions or advances, then you are going to get them. Third, use the Mute feature in the game.
Point being, if a girl in school acted or dressed like a ****, she was presumed to be a ****, by both genders. If you don't want to be presumed to be ok with any type of sexual discussion or actions, then look at yourself first and decide if you may have given an impression that it was ok. If not, then correct the situation and mute the person and contact support.
As for those morons that walk around the WB looking at your teats, really that bothers you? I would think that you would feel sorry for the pervy little bastard that gets his rocks off looking at a virtual women's teats. It's not really that serious of an offense. If it were your real teats and in a mall and some dude was staring at them, then ok, that might be an issue, but in a game...come on, you should just take pitty on the person because lets face it, the person is probably someone who lacks the social skills of an adult and still jerks it to the bra and panty models in the Wal-Mart flier. Take it with a grain of salt. |
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