Friendly fire done as thoughtlessly as the OP suggests it might would be a terrible idea. Here's how you do FF:

1) If you damage a friendly, you are fined an ISK/SP penalty based on the amount of damage you do. The penalty grows larger the more damage you do in a short period of time. One stray shot isn't a big deal, but unloading into a friendly would be heavily penalized. Similarly, if the game could track whether the friendly target shot were near an enemy target, and increase the penalty if the friendly was not (so as to differentiate accidents from malicious acts better) that'd be helpful.

1a) The exception to this is that, people in your corp, people in your pre-made squad, they do not cause you to be penalized as all if you shoot them. You can always leave your squad/corp if you started getting maliciously teamkilled by your "friends". So for corp battles, for example, there'd be friendly fire, but there'd never be penalties for it beyond what the corp works out for itself, should one of its members start going rogue.

2) If you kill a friendly, you are fined the cost of their fitting/vehicle on top of other expenses.

3) If any character on any of your accounts kills more than two or three friendlies a game, or deal X amount of damage, you become designated as a teamkiller. That is, you'll show up with a special chevron rather than regular blue or red one -- perhaps a purple chevron to split the difference. The status will persist for 30 minutes, through multiple games. When so designated, anyone in the game, on your team or the other, can kill you without repercussion.

4) If you are designated as a team killer more than X times in Y period of time on any of your accounts, you get banned for 1 day. If after that ban expires you again become designated as a teamkiller, you get banned for 3 days. Then 7, then 15, then 30. After, if you get designated as a teamkiller again, your account is permanently terminated and all your characters are deleted. I assume that the PS3 is able to ban by machine, so that's what it'd end up as.


Without meaningful punishment for TK'ing that prevents alt PSN accounts being used to just go wild with friendly fire teamkilling, FF would be a bad addition to the game, and you'd routinely have to deal with people abusing friendly fire. The only way to make friendly fire work for a free game like this is to put access to the game at jeopardy for people should they abuse the system.

I want you booted from the game for suggesting ANYONE should be removed for using a game mechanic placed in front of them. Good day sir.

EDIT: Don't want to be team killed? Stay out of the areas it'll be on. It won't be turned on in every mode and every game. If it's on then learn to carry a cup for all the tears you'll be crying.

The only idea of anti-TKing I'd support is militia gear can't TK. You need paid for gear.

I want you booted from the game for suggesting ANYONE should be removed for using a game mechanic placed in front of them. Good day sir.

EDIT: Don't want to be team killed? Stay out of the areas it'll be on. It won't be turned on in every mode and every game. If it's on then learn to carry a cup for all the tears you'll be crying.

I agree with this, but it does give milita grenades an advantage when throwing them into a cluster of blues and reds.

you don't really read things do you? if anything i'm operating under the assumption that friendly fire will ALWAYS be on, and would be UN-punished in certain modes.

MY system is more "hardcore" than yours. so go on about the tears.

WHO THE **** CARES!!

It wont be in PUB matches just corp and merc battles. For ****** sake people get that through your heads..

WHO THE **** CARES!!

It wont be in PUB matches just corp and merc battles. For ****** sake people get that through your heads..

I want you removed from this thread.

If there needs to be anti-TK, I say do it like EVE: it depends on where you're at. If you're in high security space, the repercussions are swift and severe in-game. Labelled a traitor or TKer or something and deemed part of the enemy or something, so they can be killed by everybody, or simply booted from the game with no rewards, but all costs taken, saying that your contract had been determined invalid due to treason or something. Or, simply make it that FF is off or reduced so that only explosives do damage or something, so only enemies can be engaged. In lower security space, gauge it accordingly.

In the lawless regions of space, though, it's a free-for-all. No repercussions but what the team/corp decides. Because it's lawless. That's the definition of what it is. You venture in at your own risk.

PS, IMO...

It seems that FF will be off in high sec, so no biggie there.

With FF on, I'd say it SHOULD be "anything goes" in null-sec. Meaning no penalty for TK.

HOWEVER, low sec should offer the transition. FF on, but some SP/isk penalty. I think, game bans, etc, are rediculous.

Some of us still want FF in the entirety of the game.

Some of us still want FF in the entirety of the game.

there is one problem with translating eves system to dust.

in eve, you are NOT under the assumption that half the players you meet are on your team. so killing a player in hi-sec isn't really TEAM killing.. it's neutral killing.

team killing in eve could absolutely happen, but since there's no matchmaking, the only teammate that kills you is a teammate you consented to playing with, which makes it a legit tactic for metagamey backstabbing.



as opposed to most matches in dust, where you do not choose your teammates, they are assigned by the game. there's no meta to a backstab there, it's just random griefing.

all i've seen from ccp is a tweet that friendly fire is coming soon. if you have something more detailed and concrete i'd apreciate a link.

Team Killing is such a harsh term. I like to think of it as... Mass Driver Assisted Suicide. Which really, if you just run into my line of fire, it is.

i really hope there is TKing just for this, cant tell you how many times im laying down suppressive fire with my MD and about to get some kills out of the exchange when blue balls McGee over there jumps in front of me steals my kill and the splash damage off of his shield ends up hurting me or worse once killing me.

Now when said jerkoff jumps in my way he dies in all the noob glory he deserves.

I think if you kill an ally, your security status should go down, and if you kill an ally in high security, concord locks your dropsuits, and kills the clone inside with an override code. You're then barred from spawning back in for X amount of time, given a warning that further hostile actions will not be tolerated. and if you do it again, they slaughter your clone, and boot you from the game. Do it enough times, and you'll be placed on a cooldown to get back into matchmaking, that just goes up and up and up the more you do it (in high security. Low and Null, quit being a ***** and get with the times).

Also, as your security status goes down, you wouldn't even be allowed into high security (granted, this system wouldn't work perfectly at the moment because we only have access to high sec at the moment, but in the grand scheme of things)

In addition, some sort of system should be devised (significantly easier said than done lol) that tries to filter out accidental friendly fire, primarily from idiot friendlies who just wander into the fray, heedless of their surroundings.

I think the best solution would be to have a report system in game. If a person is reported x amount of time for being a griefer and the devs confirm it by checking the logs, then that person will have their IP permanently banned from the game. This way they can't just make another PSN account to do it all over again.

Plus if it's well known that people can be perma-banned by their IP from the game, then there is going to be a lot less that will do it just from that alone.

TKing will have much higher risks than many believe. All these calls for penalties just shows me that many people lack critical thinking. When FF goes live and you get intentionally TKed, how about you just remember who it is so you can gank them whenever you see them or even, *gasp* dare I suggest it, offer a reward for confirmed TK kills against the person who Intentionally TKed you to a state of QQ.

This will never ever happen in New Eden . EVER !!!!!!

Why not? Because griefing is part of the experience of EVE, or because the devs won't do it? If it's the latter then it just hurts their game letting people get away with it. I mean say somebody is running a pure AUR fit and they get Tked by a griefer, well that is real money lost right there.

otherwise, griefers.

no joke here guys. an isk penalty is not enough, a warpoint penalty is not enough. i want teamkillers booted from the game outright. EDIT: maybe i should clarify this bit. i mean booted out of the MATCH right then and there, and prevented from rejoining matchmaking for some amount of time. not necessarily banned from the entirety of dust 514. this limits the amount of damage they can actually do. there could even be a "forgive" option for the victim.

it's free to play, there is literally no barrier to entry. any 15 y/o Codfan can hop on and troll. oh no he lost isk? oh no he has a reputation as a teamkiller? oh no he got no sp? why would a griefer care? the games free... psn IDs are free. he'll make a new one and do it again. they need to be mitigated right then and there.


this doesn't need to apply to corp battles, as i could see sneaking a backstabber into the enemy corp as part of the metagame, but it should apply to any game mode where the teams are not up to the participants.

i think the response to teamkillers should be player led, for example Shijima Kuraimaru said this

on this thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=55107&p=3

Had some noob try to ghost me last night with his LAV, but for some odd reason it only partially hurt me. Is there now degrees of damage done by being run over with LAV's?


As for how to deal with these turkeys, I'm not entirely sure. A vote to kick option is out the window for sure, as I could imagine envious teammates kicking those that are doing better than them (or perhaps they got dominated by that player in a previous match and want revenge).

I think the best solution would be to have a report system in game. If a person is reported x amount of time for being a griefer and the devs confirm it by checking the logs, then that person will have their IP permanently banned from the game. This way they can't just make another PSN account to do it all over again.

Plus if it's well known that people can be perma-banned by their IP from the game, then there is going to be a lot less that will do it just from that alone.

otherwise, griefers.

no joke here guys. an isk penalty is not enough, a warpoint penalty is not enough. i want teamkillers booted from the game outright. EDIT: maybe i should clarify this bit. i mean booted out of the MATCH right then and there, and prevented from rejoining matchmaking for some amount of time. not necessarily banned from the entirety of dust 514. this limits the amount of damage they can actually do. there could even be a "forgive" option for the victim.

it's free to play, there is literally no barrier to entry. any 15 y/o Codfan can hop on and troll. oh no he lost isk? oh no he has a reputation as a teamkiller? oh no he got no sp? why would a griefer care? the games free... psn IDs are free. he'll make a new one and do it again. they need to be mitigated right then and there.


this doesn't need to apply to corp battles, as i could see sneaking a backstabber into the enemy corp as part of the metagame, but it should apply to any game mode where the teams are not up to the participants.

otherwise, griefers.

no joke here guys. an isk penalty is not enough, a warpoint penalty is not enough. i want teamkillers booted from the game outright. EDIT: maybe i should clarify this bit. i mean booted out of the MATCH right then and there, and prevented from rejoining matchmaking for some amount of time. not necessarily banned from the entirety of dust 514. this limits the amount of damage they can actually do. there could even be a "forgive" option for the victim.

it's free to play, there is literally no barrier to entry. any 15 y/o Codfan can hop on and troll. oh no he lost isk? oh no he has a reputation as a teamkiller? oh no he got no sp? why would a griefer care? the games free... psn IDs are free. he'll make a new one and do it again. they need to be mitigated right then and there.


this doesn't need to apply to corp battles, as i could see sneaking a backstabber into the enemy corp as part of the metagame, but it should apply to any game mode where the teams are not up to the participants.