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Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation
172
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Posted - 2013.01.29 18:38:00 -
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After reading an article on EVE and the infamous GoonSwaffe doing some crazy stuff...a questioned popped into my mind.
How will capsuleer corporations be ganking us?
Srsly? What can they do to us that will make us shake in fear? I mean other than shoot tha lasers our way?
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Kay High
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
86
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Posted - 2013.01.29 18:44:00 -
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the best way for them to do this is to have dust players but FPS'ers are a different style than PC Gamers so in general they wont care. |
Sontie
VENGEANCE FOR HIRE
95
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Posted - 2013.01.29 18:47:00 -
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They won't be ganking us. They wil be hiring us to gank the planetary assets of others.
We are dust compared to them. We mean little to nothing. |
Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation
172
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Posted - 2013.01.29 18:49:00 -
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Kay High wrote:the best way for them to do this is to have dust players but FPS'ers are a different style than PC Gamers so in general they wont care.
Are you saying they'll need to work with Dust players?
Also...why wouldn't they care? It's not about the system you're using it's about the ISK and Aurum.
Edit:
Right now we're just "dust" to them...later on we'll be able to do a lot more. Not only that but the big mercenary corporations will have had collected tens of billions or maybe even hundreds of billions of ISK when the game really gets interesting. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
379
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Posted - 2013.01.29 18:54:00 -
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when the economy's are integrated? who knows but we could get really screwed on the supplies side |
Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation
172
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Posted - 2013.01.29 19:00:00 -
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D: You guys ain't got no imagination. Come on. No one can take a guess?
I'd imagine them paying for Dust 514 mercenary spies and make em infiltrate their enemies Dust alliance and wreak all sorts of havoc like tricking the players into attacking the other side of the alliance or stealing ISK so that the Dust mercenaries wouldn't be properly funded to go against the employer's hired corporations. |
Full Metal Kitten
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
151
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Posted - 2013.01.29 19:02:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:How will capsuleer corporations be ganking us?Srsly? What can they do to us that will make us shake in fear? I mean other than shoot tha lasers our way? EVE pilots walk among you on the ground. I am one of them.
Your corporation will be infiltrated. Your assets will be stolen. You will die to seemingly friendly fire. Your corporation will be disbanded. Your allies will turn on you. You will be subjected to socioeconomic warfare. Armies will be flattened into sheets of glass. Your clone won't die, but your spirit will be crushed.
Are you ready? We are. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
379
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Posted - 2013.01.29 19:05:00 -
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Full Metal Kitten wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:How will capsuleer corporations be ganking us?Srsly? What can they do to us that will make us shake in fear? I mean other than shoot tha lasers our way? EVE pilots walk among you on the ground. I am one of them. Your corporation will be infiltrated. Your assets will be stolen. You will die to seemingly friendly fire. Your corporation will be disbanded. Your allies will turn on you. You will be subjected to socioeconomic warfare. Armies will be flattened into sheets of glass. Your clone won't die, but your spirit will crushed. Are you ready? We are.
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Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation
172
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Posted - 2013.01.29 19:06:00 -
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Full Metal Kitten wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:How will capsuleer corporations be ganking us?Srsly? What can they do to us that will make us shake in fear? I mean other than shoot tha lasers our way? EVE pilots walk among you on the ground. I am one of them. Your corporation will be infiltrated. Your assets will be stolen. You will die to seemingly friendly fire. Your corporation will be disbanded. Your allies will turn on you. You will be subjected to socioeconomic warfare. Armies will be flattened into sheets of glass. Your clone won't die, but your spirit will be crushed. Are you ready? We are.
:D This guy knows what I'm talking about! |
Ghost-33
ShootBreakStab
108
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Posted - 2013.01.29 19:20:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:Full Metal Kitten wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:How will capsuleer corporations be ganking us?Srsly? What can they do to us that will make us shake in fear? I mean other than shoot tha lasers our way? EVE pilots walk among you on the ground. I am one of them. Your corporation will be infiltrated. Your assets will be stolen. You will die to seemingly friendly fire. Your corporation will be disbanded. Your allies will turn on you. You will be subjected to socioeconomic warfare. Armies will be flattened into sheets of glass. Your clone won't die, but your spirit will be crushed. Are you ready? We are. :D This guy knows what I'm talking about!
Meh, I still got my militia BPO fits. You should realize most of us Dusters don't need fancy spaceships or quadrillions of ISK or a place to live.... or even friends. We just kill with what we got; and enjoy the hell out of it. |
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Full Metal Kitten
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
151
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Posted - 2013.01.29 19:33:00 -
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Ghost-33 wrote:Meh, I still got my militia BPO fits. You should realize most of us Dusters don't need fancy spaceships or quadrillions of ISK or a place to live.... or even friends. Excellent. This is exactly what we're hoping for.
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Ghost-33
ShootBreakStab
108
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Posted - 2013.01.29 20:19:00 -
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Full Metal Kitten wrote:Ghost-33 wrote:Meh, I still got my militia BPO fits. You should realize most of us Dusters don't need fancy spaceships or quadrillions of ISK or a place to live.... or even friends. Excellent. This is exactly what we're hoping for.
We're crumbling like dried up putty in your hands.
No really its a game, people will do what they want to in them. You and I included. If you would like to think of it as real life domination and you're controlling me or anyone else knock your self out. But the reality is nobody can really get ganked in a game. And if someone does then they have bigger problems in their life to deal with, Maybe rehab?
All the spies, turncoats, villans, douchebaggery tactics or idiots (is their actually anything good in New Eden?) won't prevent me from enjoying this game. |
C Saunders
Serenity Prime Kraken.
158
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Posted - 2013.01.29 20:45:00 -
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Full Metal Kitten wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:How will capsuleer corporations be ganking us?Srsly? What can they do to us that will make us shake in fear? I mean other than shoot tha lasers our way? EVE pilots walk among you on the ground. I am one of them. Your corporation will be infiltrated. Your assets will be stolen. You will die to seemingly friendly fire. Your corporation will be disbanded. Your allies will turn on you. You will be subjected to socioeconomic warfare. Armies will be flattened into sheets of glass. Your clone won't die, but your spirit will be crushed. Are you ready? We are.
Yep, I'm ready.
Press start, select quit game, join another one.
I'm so terrified I'm shaking at the knees. |
Full Metal Kitten
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
151
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Posted - 2013.01.29 21:01:00 -
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Ghost-33 wrote:No really its a game, people will do what they want to in them... If you would like to think of it as real life domination and you're controlling me or anyone else knock your self out.
C Saunders wrote:Press start, select quit game, join another one. I'm so terrified I'm shaking at the knees.
Relax and have some fun with it guys. Enjoy the ride! |
KalOfTheRathi
CowTek
168
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Posted - 2013.01.29 21:15:00 -
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This is why EVE Online seemed to be pretty much a waste of my time. They enjoy bringing scum into their world and I prefer killing it.
Right now it doesn't matter because there is no actual point to Dust. We have no territory, acquisitions or technology. Maybe, just maybe we can help shift a Faction War in one direction or the other. More likely we can modify some random number by plus or minus 2%. If we get FW skilled up to level 5.
Ghost-33 and those like him are basically just scrubs with no money, no territory and no vision. DUST players care about a totally different set of values than cretins like that. We are either into the FPS or the RPG aspect of the game. Any decent sized EVE corp could buy All of DUST and would barely notice the dent in their ISK balance so someone that dreams about coming after pocket change ... well. No vision. They should be spending their time in EVE instead of epeening around here. Small fish, smaller pond, bigger relative epeen.
Maybe it is a small enough pond they think they stand a chance where in EVE they simply do not matter. Space barnacles all.
Check out RockPaperShotgun, they have two videos of a GoonSwarm pilot warping some silly ass big ship into enemy territory by accident. Hit the wrong button on their intuitive interface and a great video resulted. 222 ships were destroyed to an estimated value of 400-700B ISK (Infinitesimally Silly Kurrancy).
Sorry scrub, it's just bits. |
Shadowswipe
WarRavens
13
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Posted - 2013.01.29 21:20:00 -
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They can issue two contracts, one to attack and one to defend a planet (One or both might be through a dumbie corp). In doing so they may just end up nuking both attackers and defenders from orbit to waste their isk heavy suits. Shooting at both sides with orbital strikes expecting to hit "Friendlies". |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
397
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Posted - 2013.01.29 21:24:00 -
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Shadowswipe wrote:They can issue two contracts, one to attack and one to defend a planet (One or both might be through a dumbie corp). In doing so they may just end up nuking both attackers and defenders from orbit to waste their isk heavy suits. Shooting at both sides with orbital strikes expecting to hit "Friendlies".
I imagine most of the griefing will take the form of larger than requested orbital strikes. The merc provides coordinates to his supposed EVE ally, and the capsuleer nukes the entire battlefield instead for kittens and giggles. |
Need Some Triage
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
5
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Posted - 2013.01.29 22:17:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:Goonwaffe ftfy. Also Eve players are already here , and we will indeed infiltrate your corps, steal your stuff, and shoot you in the back, and then disband the corp when we are done. Totally fine by CCP. |
Tien TheSecond
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
198
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Posted - 2013.01.29 22:23:00 -
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Need Some Triage wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:Goonwaffe ftfy. Also Eve players are already here , and we will indeed infiltrate your corps, steal your stuff, and shoot you in the back, and then disband the corp when we are done. Totally fine by CCP. The People's Hero, Reporting as Ordered!
(also still very floored at the number of infiltrated corps atm) |
Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
412
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Posted - 2013.01.29 22:25:00 -
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Full Metal Kitten wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:How will capsuleer corporations be ganking us?Srsly? What can they do to us that will make us shake in fear? I mean other than shoot tha lasers our way? EVE pilots walk among you on the ground. I am one of them. Your corporation will be infiltrated. Your assets will be stolen. You will die to seemingly friendly fire. Your corporation will be disbanded. Your allies will turn on you. You will be subjected to socioeconomic warfare. Armies will be flattened into sheets of glass. Your clone won't die, but your spirit will be crushed. Are you ready? We are. ...
You don't play a lot of online FPS games, do you? |
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HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2242
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Posted - 2013.01.29 22:38:00 -
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Here we go again. Lol the evetard's are back again.
Oooo gonna steal stuff from the corp because you had a spy? Gonna disband the corp, really? So the other 50-100 guys in the corp who have been fighting alongside each other talking every night building friendships are just going to wake up the day after someone stole the corp wallet and say gee let's just all disband this corp and not work/play together again. Lol
Ccp has said all along that griefing is not just a one way street a pilot can't just fly up to a planet and nuke it without us able to defend ourselves. We will have the ability to fire back and destroy their lovely little space coffins.
The tax is going to equalize the economy so they will not just Be able to throw money into dust, otherwise it could severely cripple the eve universe economy and there paid economist will not let this happen.
The difference that dusters are is that it takes an army working together to be of any value to us. Yes you can take some money we will make it back, you will try to get people mad at each other and disrupt a corps synergy, but at the end of the day mercs only really fight for the guys next to them and the glory of the battle( and SP and gastun Hmg's)
Tin foil hat wearing space pirates have no more power over us than we do of them. |
Sobriety Denied
Universal Allies Inc.
432
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Posted - 2013.01.29 22:39:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:This is why EVE Online seemed to be pretty much a waste of my time. They enjoy bringing scum into their world and I prefer killing it.
but the beauty of EVE is you can be a hero to the oppressed. the griefers are far from immortal. theres "good guy" players that are dedicated to baiting the griefers, the skies the limit in EVE. cooperation is the key. you can really give the griefers a bad time with some friends and dedication to the role. the amount of traps you can set for griefers is huge. |
Need Some Triage
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
5
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Posted - 2013.01.29 22:44:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote: So the other 50-100 guys in the corp who have been fighting alongside each other talking every night building friendships are just going to wake up the day after someone stole the corp wallet and say gee let's just all disband this corp and not work/play together again. Lol
you clearly don't know how corp mechanics work. Corp can indeed be disbanded without approval of the other 50-100 people in the corp. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
379
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Posted - 2013.01.29 22:51:00 -
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Need Some Triage wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote: So the other 50-100 guys in the corp who have been fighting alongside each other talking every night building friendships are just going to wake up the day after someone stole the corp wallet and say gee let's just all disband this corp and not work/play together again. Lol
you clearly don't know how corp mechanics work. Corp can indeed be disbanded without approval of the other 50-100 people in the corp. i believe his point was that most of those guys will stay in touch and just form another corp |
Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
412
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Posted - 2013.01.29 22:54:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Need Some Triage wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote: So the other 50-100 guys in the corp who have been fighting alongside each other talking every night building friendships are just going to wake up the day after someone stole the corp wallet and say gee let's just all disband this corp and not work/play together again. Lol
you clearly don't know how corp mechanics work. Corp can indeed be disbanded without approval of the other 50-100 people in the corp. i believe his point was that most of those guys will stay in touch and just form another corp That is generally what happens with FPS guys.
Clan break up? Oh well, lets make a new one. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2013.01.29 22:58:00 -
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Jotun Hiem wrote:gbghg wrote:Need Some Triage wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote: So the other 50-100 guys in the corp who have been fighting alongside each other talking every night building friendships are just going to wake up the day after someone stole the corp wallet and say gee let's just all disband this corp and not work/play together again. Lol
you clearly don't know how corp mechanics work. Corp can indeed be disbanded without approval of the other 50-100 people in the corp. i believe his point was that most of those guys will stay in touch and just form another corp That is generally what happens with FPS guys. Clan break up? Oh well, lets make a new one.
Eventually it will have more of an impact than that. When our corp went **** up we lost sov on 1/3 of our systems and lot our logistic chain of JBs in 12 hours.
Losing your corp and identity is a huge hit to morale. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
379
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Posted - 2013.01.29 23:04:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Jotun Hiem wrote:gbghg wrote:Need Some Triage wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote: So the other 50-100 guys in the corp who have been fighting alongside each other talking every night building friendships are just going to wake up the day after someone stole the corp wallet and say gee let's just all disband this corp and not work/play together again. Lol
you clearly don't know how corp mechanics work. Corp can indeed be disbanded without approval of the other 50-100 people in the corp. i believe his point was that most of those guys will stay in touch and just form another corp That is generally what happens with FPS guys. Clan break up? Oh well, lets make a new one. Eventually it will have more of an impact than that. When our corp went **** up we lost sov on 1/3 of our systems and lot our logistic chain of JBs in 12 hours. Losing your corp and identity is a huge hit to morale. true but its a sad thing to say that most of the average fps gamer pride comes from his k/d ratio, not how his team is doing |
Full Metal Kitten
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
151
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Posted - 2013.01.29 23:05:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:Here we go again. Lol the evetard's are back again.
Taste - OP was asking how EVE integration could effect DUST. Lighten up and use some imagination. Or don't. Either way, much respect to you. Been mowed down by your HMG more than once.
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Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
412
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Posted - 2013.01.29 23:07:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Eventually it will have more of an impact than that. When our corp went **** up we lost sov on 1/3 of our systems and lot our logistic chain of JBs in 12 hours.
Losing your corp and identity is a huge hit to morale. I'm not saying it doesn't suck, it does.
But a lot of FPS players enjoy hanging out with buddies and blasting the enemy in the face. If they can still do that with their friends then I doubt they'll just drop DUST.
In EvE, the measure of your power is your wealth.
In DUST it's your marksmanship. |
Ranger SnakeBlood
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
126
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Posted - 2013.01.29 23:14:00 -
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Sure some one can jump in be a spy cause a rift split corps to allow their real allies to move in and clear out their systems but then you have 2 DUST corps who are at each others necks who see it as a comeback story to get there land back or to start a new empire and over a while that hatred of the people who broke off could lead to some interesting fights, |
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Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2013.01.29 23:24:00 -
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Jotun Hiem wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Eventually it will have more of an impact than that. When our corp went **** up we lost sov on 1/3 of our systems and lot our logistic chain of JBs in 12 hours.
Losing your corp and identity is a huge hit to morale. I'm not saying it doesn't suck, it does. But a lot of FPS players enjoy hanging out with buddies and blasting the enemy in the face. If they can still do that with their friends then I doubt they'll just drop DUST. In EvE, the measure of your power is your wealth. In DUST it's your marksmanship.
Currently its your marksmanship oy mean, right? |
Rus Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
6
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Posted - 2013.01.29 23:27:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Losing your corp and identity is a huge hit to morale.
This. In a persistent single shard world, corps _will_ have assets (bases on planets, shared equipment), standings and reputation. After all, risk and loss which matter are the main selling points of Dust. And even in EVE, your reputation is in the end that matters - it gets you friends and enemies. Big alliances live and die by their morale and reputation. And this will propagate to Dust, as the world is shared. No one can remember names of all half a million characters - it's the standings and reputation that takes them to you.
And if you can kill reputation and morale, the group is dead. This is of course very difficult, and often takes hundreds of people and months to do. But it's also something that is done in EVE already, so it's a reality, not just theory. Dust being partially separate helps a bit in limiting that, but it's still theoretically possible. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
379
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Posted - 2013.01.29 23:31:00 -
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Rus Rhiannon wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Losing your corp and identity is a huge hit to morale.
This. In a persistent single shard world, corps _will_ have assets (bases on planets, shared equipment), standings and reputation. After all, risk and loss which matter are the main selling points of Dust. And even in EVE, your reputation is in the end that matters - it gets you friends and enemies. Big alliances live and die by their morale and reputation. And this will propagate to Dust, as the world is shared. No one can remember names of all half a million characters - it's the standings and reputation that takes them to you. And if you can kill reputation and morale, the group is dead. This is of course very difficult, and often takes hundreds of people and months to do. But it's also something that is done in EVE already, so it's a reality, not just theory. Dust being partially separate helps a bit in limiting that, but it's still theoretically possible. But you've also got the mindset to consider. I mean the mindset of an mmo player who sinks months if not years into a character and a group will be radically different in how they perceive certain things, to an fps gamer who is more focused on his next unlock and his k/d ratio. |
Barnabas Wrex
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
148
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Posted - 2013.01.30 00:20:00 -
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You can try to demoralize me all you want, but as long as my K/D is higher than yours; I will always have the bigger penor.
Welcome to FPS EVE pilots. It's a whole different game. |
Cpt Murd0ck
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
95
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Posted - 2013.01.30 00:27:00 -
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Having played EVE of and on I'd be willing to bet there are already a few double agents in the bigger corps laughing and joking with you. Maybe he's your regular squad buddy. But all that time he reporting back to his true master keeping an eye on your assets, sharing your plans and waiting until you give him that all important role in your corp then BOOM all your assets are gone muhahahahah cough cough. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
379
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Posted - 2013.01.30 00:33:00 -
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then i will simply go "meh" and carry on playing with the same guys i always have |
Sobriety Denied
Universal Allies Inc.
432
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Posted - 2013.01.30 00:59:00 -
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yea and some eve overload will pick up the fragments of an infiltrated corp and refund them if good dust mercs become an asset to eve players
the war decs in eve work like this all the time some corp gets wiped out but the pvpers dont just quit they reform or some actually are asorbed by the corp who defeated them |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
379
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Posted - 2013.01.30 01:07:00 -
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i personally prefer to call them space gods because a)most of them don't seem to care at all what happens done here on earth b)they give the impression of being all powerful while actually being rather impotent without our intervention c)they rarely have an impact on me and i can go about my business knowing they're somewhere up there
overlord presents them as some kind of scheming mastermind |
Sobriety Denied
Universal Allies Inc.
432
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Posted - 2013.01.30 01:40:00 -
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some with trillions of isk can buy the title of overlord |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
379
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Posted - 2013.01.30 02:01:00 -
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if i'm on the receiving end of those trillions i'll call them whatever the hell they want |
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Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
412
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Posted - 2013.01.30 02:03:00 -
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gbghg wrote:i personally prefer to call them space gods because a)most of them don't seem to care at all what happens done here on earth b)they give the impression of being all powerful while actually being rather impotent without our intervention c)they rarely have an impact on me and i can go about my business knowing they're somewhere up there
overlord presents them as some kind of scheming mastermind It also implies some semblance of intelligence, and, if what I've seen of the EvE forums is anything to go by, that's a very rare commodity in the EvE community.
I imagine all the higher ups in the more powerful corps bought it all up or something. |
Walker Burcham
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.01.30 02:10:00 -
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I hope Eve and Dust more intertwined as time goes on.
It'd be awesome if Eve's Carriers could launch a special drone type that carries a squad of Dust players with a fit set each and a few clones (only what fits, items, and clones as you're willing/able to bring) that can board a ship. Kill the drone(s), kill the squad(s), they lose what they had on-board the drone. You're able to go in undermanned, able to receive reinforcements, and able to GTFO by all retreating to the boarding craft and triggering it (which you have to do to survive the target's destruction by Eve ships). Maybe fight other Dust players to damage a Titan's module (due to its size, each Titan module is the/a set of obj of one Dust map, a single Titan could host multiple matches) Or possibly some PvE vs an NPC ship (that can turn PvP if some Dust players are willing and able to get to the ship to defend it, like Eve's PvP in Incursion and other PvE/event sites) to kill its crew and render it capturable by the Eve players. Ooh, and fighting in stations instead of just walking in them. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
379
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Posted - 2013.01.30 02:11:00 -
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Jotun Hiem wrote:gbghg wrote:i personally prefer to call them space gods because a)most of them don't seem to care at all what happens done here on earth b)they give the impression of being all powerful while actually being rather impotent without our intervention c)they rarely have an impact on me and i can go about my business knowing they're somewhere up there
overlord presents them as some kind of scheming mastermind It also implies some semblance of intelligence, and, if what I've seen of the EvE forums is anything to go by, that's a very rare commodity in the EvE community. I imagine all the higher ups in the more powerful corps bought it all up or something.
please can some eve player link that over to the eve forums then give me the link, the response will be better than any film |
Glorius UnKnWn
BetaMax Beta
2
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Posted - 2013.01.30 04:04:00 -
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EVE players need to remember one thing. WE ARE MERCENARIES. I am in it for my own wallet, not yours, not a corps, not even my buddies down the hall. You can try to screw me over all you want. As long as I have a clone to spawn into I will keep on fighting for whoever will pay me the most.
As to bombarding "Friendlies" on the surface of a planet, you're only going to screw yourself. FPS gamers don't like to be stabbed in the back. They will make it their mission to do it to you, and it won't be at a corp level either. It will be a personal vendetta carried out by those you screwed. Vengeance will be swift, we won't need months of planning and prep to be ready to fight.
Unlike MMOs, FPS gaming is not a long term investment. We are in it for instant satisfaction from killing our enemies. Our enemies don't even have to be someone we don't like either. It could be our best-friend sitting beside us who happened to be on the opposite team, we will hunt them down to laugh at them after we kill them and them to us.
Simply put, bring it on. We are ready when you are. |
Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
412
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Posted - 2013.01.30 04:16:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Jotun Hiem wrote:gbghg wrote:i personally prefer to call them space gods because a)most of them don't seem to care at all what happens done here on earth b)they give the impression of being all powerful while actually being rather impotent without our intervention c)they rarely have an impact on me and i can go about my business knowing they're somewhere up there
overlord presents them as some kind of scheming mastermind It also implies some semblance of intelligence, and, if what I've seen of the EvE forums is anything to go by, that's a very rare commodity in the EvE community. I imagine all the higher ups in the more powerful corps bought it all up or something. please can some eve player link that over to the eve forums then give me the link, the response will be better than any film ... Damn.
Now I want to see it too. |
Cpt Murd0ck
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
95
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Posted - 2013.01.30 05:38:00 -
[46] - Quote
I'm not liking all the "fps gamers only care about this" or "mmo players are different because of this" EVE just like DUST will has different layers of player who want different things from their games. I played EVE for a while and big corp scandals and battles between the likes of goonswarm or BoB never effected my game (directly)
Some players will just want to log on everyday to kill other players, inflate their KDR and be the top of the leaderboards. Other players will only care about nul sec sec and scoff at the "noobs" who play pub matches they will care about their corp and it's reputation.
It's these players who WILL care about about all the politics and scandals but that's the beauty of new Eden its a different game to everybody. DUST might not end up with the same scope but CCP do it right it and should have at least a fraction of it.
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Tregar Kerrigan
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
36
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Posted - 2013.01.30 06:17:00 -
[47] - Quote
Sontie wrote:They won't be ganking us. They wil be hiring us to gank the planetary assets of others.
We are dust compared to them. We mean little to nothing. trust me, if they could randomly rain death an destruction on a district, they would. Fortunately for the bunnies, they can't. |
Rus Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
6
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Posted - 2013.01.30 23:50:00 -
[48] - Quote
gbghg wrote:the mindset to consider. I mean the mindset of an mmo player who sinks months if not years into a character and a group will be radically different in how they perceive certain things, to an fps gamer who is more focused on his next unlock and his k/d ratio.
Yup. But the said morale affects both. If you want the most lucrative deals, you have to hire people you don't see every day IRL, which opens you to spies. So, if someone really wants to, they can spend, say, 6-12 calender months and couple of man-months to infiltrate you, to harvest detailed information about everyone in your corp, schedules, relations, tactics, equipment. Now, consider a situation where on every battle the enemy seems to know your tactics and field exact counters to your tactics and fits and behaves like they saw your screen and heard your voice comms. Every time you conspire a new approach with your core group, they know about it by the time you hit the battle. There's also bound to be someone who's been thinking of leaving corp, and the enemies target him specifically, and feed his distrust towards you. Your K/D ratio starts to come down, because there is a counterto every fit and enemies take advantage of that. Some people start saying it's pointless to play as you will not win anyway. After a few weeks you don't get the best contracts anymore, as your reputation has taken hit. How many weeks would it take before people would start leaving, or suggest you play some other game instead?
This is what breaking someone's morale means: making people lose interest to fight back and making them feel they don't havefair chance of winning.
If this seems far-fetched, it's not. This is stuff that EVE players routinely do. Of course this is unlikely to happen to you. But the OP wanted to know what's possible, not what is likely.
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Soght Toi
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
14
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Posted - 2013.01.31 00:19:00 -
[49] - Quote
Need Some Triage wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:Goonwaffe ftfy. Also Eve players are already here , and we will indeed infiltrate your corps, steal your stuff, and shoot you in the back, and then disband the corp when we are done. Totally fine by CCP.
As a DUST merc I can't wait! This is why I was so excited about playing. The **** that happens in New Eden is amazing! All the stuff that goes down from theft to politics to war, if we never got that we may as well just have been CoD. This is what I'm looking forward to!
"Dust Corp X destroyed by EVE Corp Y spies!"
"EVE Corp Z hoards and drives up prices on Gun W forcing Dust Corp A to..." blah blah blah!
This is what I want to be part of! This is the actually interesting part of this game, the awesomness lies in these types of things! Not to mention the massive Super-Battles that will now happen on the ground as well as in space at the same time! Who the hell knows? Maybe at some point two factions will be fighting on the ground and in space over the same place at once!
^ New Eden. **** Yeah. |
Ghost-33
ShootBreakStab
108
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Posted - 2013.01.31 01:15:00 -
[50] - Quote
Cpt Murd0ck wrote:Having played EVE of and on I'd be willing to bet there are already a few double agents in the bigger corps laughing and joking with you. Maybe he's your regular squad buddy. But all that time he reporting back to his true master keeping an eye on your assets, sharing your plans and waiting until you give him that all important role in your corp then BOOM all your assets are gone muhahahahah cough cough.
Would this fellow also be the infamous "Peggy" that can help you with your Discover Card? I bet it is...
If I could imagine someone going through all that it would be Peggy or maybe someone like Comic Book Guy. |
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gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
379
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Posted - 2013.01.31 01:24:00 -
[51] - Quote
Glorius UnKnWn wrote:EVE players need to remember one thing. WE ARE MERCENARIES. I am in it for my own wallet, not yours, not a corps, not even my buddies down the hall. You can try to screw me over all you want. As long as I have a clone to spawn into I will keep on fighting for whoever will pay me the most.
As to bombarding "Friendlies" on the surface of a planet, you're only going to screw yourself. FPS gamers don't like to be stabbed in the back. They will make it their mission to do it to you, and it won't be at a corp level either. It will be a personal vendetta carried out by those you screwed. Vengeance will be swift, we won't need months of planning and prep to be ready to fight.
Unlike MMOs, FPS gaming is not a long term investment. We are in it for instant satisfaction from killing our enemies. Our enemies don't even have to be someone we don't like either. It could be our best-friend sitting beside us who happened to be on the opposite team, we will hunt them down to laugh at them after we kill them and them to us.
Simply put, bring it on. We are ready when you are. now i disagree with that in an fps where team play is vital loyalty has to very much be a squad/corp thing. I personally am going to operate along the lines of "you can buy my service, not my loyalty". i'll do what i'm paid to do but i won't screw my team over for money, but then again maybe that's just a logi's mindset |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2013.01.31 01:36:00 -
[52] - Quote
gbghg wrote:[quote=Glorius UnKnWn]EVE players need to remember one thing. WE ARE MERCENARIES. I am in it for my own wallet, not yours, not a corps, not even my buddies down the hall. You can try to screw me over all you want. As long as I have a clone to spawn into I will keep on fighting for whoever will pay me the most.
As to bombarding "Friendlies" on the surface of a planet, you're only going to screw yourself. FPS gamers don't like to be stabbed in the back. They will make it their mission to do it to you, and it won't be at a corp level either. It will be a personal vendetta carried out by those you screwed. Vengeance will be swift, we won't need months of planning and prep to be ready to fight.
Unlike MMOs, FPS gaming is not a long term investment. We are in it for instant satisfaction from killing our enemies. Our enemies don't even have to be someone we don't like either. It could be our best-friend sitting beside us who happened to be on the opposite team, we will hunt them down to laugh at them after we kill them and them to us.
Simply put, bring it on. We are ready when you are. now i disagree with that in an fps where team play is vital loyalty has to very much be a squad/corp thing. I personally am going to operate along the lines of "you can buy my service, not my loyalty". i'll do what i'm paid to do but i won't screw my team over for money, but then again maybe that's just a logi's mindset [/quoti'm a heavy, get in front of my HMG and it's BZZZZZT!!! byby |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
379
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Posted - 2013.01.31 01:39:00 -
[53] - Quote
alas your lack of a logibro means you have run out of ammo. now burn before my lazer!! |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2013.01.31 01:44:00 -
[54] - Quote
gbghg wrote:alas your lack of a logibro means you have run out of ammo. now burn before my lazer!!
"ducks behind cover, waits for lazer to over heat" |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
379
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Posted - 2013.01.31 01:50:00 -
[55] - Quote
General Tiberius1 wrote:gbghg wrote:alas your lack of a logibro means you have run out of ammo. now burn before my lazer!! "ducks behind cover, waits for lazer to over heat" "drops nanohive, starts tossing grenades" |
Quill Killian
Better Hide R Die
107
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Posted - 2013.01.31 01:51:00 -
[56] - Quote
Sobriety Denied wrote:yea and some eve overload will pick up the fragments of an infiltrated corp and refund them if good dust mercs become an asset to eve players
the war decs in eve work like this all the time some corp gets wiped out but the pvpers dont just quit they reform or some actually are asorbed by the corp who defeated them
OH MY GOD! THE BORG GÇö THEY'RE REAL!
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General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2013.01.31 01:53:00 -
[57] - Quote
gbghg wrote:General Tiberius1 wrote:gbghg wrote:alas your lack of a logibro means you have run out of ammo. now burn before my lazer!! "ducks behind cover, waits for lazer to over heat" "drops nanohive, starts tossing grenades"
done that-limit is three nades a hive moves 2 feet away, grenade does nothing |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
379
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Posted - 2013.01.31 01:57:00 -
[58] - Quote
General Tiberius1 wrote:gbghg wrote:General Tiberius1 wrote:gbghg wrote:alas your lack of a logibro means you have run out of ammo. now burn before my lazer!! "ducks behind cover, waits for lazer to over heat" "drops nanohive, starts tossing grenades" done that-limit is three nades a hive moves 2 feet away, grenade does nothing moves into teammate's line of fire, remember a good logi never fights alone |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2013.01.31 01:59:00 -
[59] - Quote
gbghg wrote:General Tiberius1 wrote:gbghg wrote:General Tiberius1 wrote:gbghg wrote:alas your lack of a logibro means you have run out of ammo. now burn before my lazer!! "ducks behind cover, waits for lazer to over heat" "drops nanohive, starts tossing grenades" done that-limit is three nades a hive moves 2 feet away, grenade does nothing moves into teammate's line of fire, remember a good logi never fights alone
mows down team mate waites for you to revive him repeats |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
379
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Posted - 2013.01.31 02:03:00 -
[60] - Quote
(yay free points) but seriously uses distraction to get out of range of hmg and headshot with laser rifle, you duck into cover, i continue to suppress you as teammates move up, grenade you and put you down |
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General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2013.01.31 02:05:00 -
[61] - Quote
gbghg wrote:(yay free points) but seriously uses distraction to get out of range of hmg and headshot with laser rifle, you duck into cover, i continue to suppress you as teammates move up, grenade you and put you down
NOPE, Hnope, have my own team mates, as ya'll focus on me, the AR's slaughter yours, and my scouts shot gun gank u |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
379
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Posted - 2013.01.31 02:10:00 -
[62] - Quote
General Tiberius1 wrote:gbghg wrote:(yay free points) but seriously uses distraction to get out of range of hmg and headshot with laser rifle, you duck into cover, i continue to suppress you as teammates move up, grenade you and put you down NOPE, Hnope, have my own team mates, as ya'll focus on me, the AR's slaughter yours, and my scouts shot gun gank u oh but it seems all my free points(see last post) have earned me an orbital strike total annihilation of the opposing team |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2013.01.31 02:11:00 -
[63] - Quote
gbghg wrote:General Tiberius1 wrote:gbghg wrote:(yay free points) but seriously uses distraction to get out of range of hmg and headshot with laser rifle, you duck into cover, i continue to suppress you as teammates move up, grenade you and put you down NOPE, Hnope, have my own team mates, as ya'll focus on me, the AR's slaughter yours, and my scouts shot gun gank u oh but it seems all my free points(see last post) have earned me an orbital strike total annihilation of the opposing team
srry, but building in the way, totally useless |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
379
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Posted - 2013.01.31 02:14:00 -
[64] - Quote
sorry to dissapoint but we're playing on manus peak, no buildings |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2013.01.31 02:14:00 -
[65] - Quote
gbghg wrote:sorry to dissapoint but we're playing on manus peak, no buildings
no one told me!!!! |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2013.01.31 02:15:00 -
[66] - Quote
fine, it's a corporation match, i call in an OB after respawn! |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
379
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Posted - 2013.01.31 02:17:00 -
[67] - Quote
damn time limit ran out the match is a draw |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2013.01.31 02:19:00 -
[68] - Quote
gbghg wrote:damn time limit ran out the match is a draw
actually been in a skirmish that was a draw. did not think it was possible. pretty damn funny hearing your team mates curse about it though |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
379
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Posted - 2013.01.31 02:23:00 -
[69] - Quote
General Tiberius1 wrote:gbghg wrote:damn time limit ran out the match is a draw actually been in a skirmish that was a draw. did not think it was possible. pretty damn funny hearing your team mates curse about it though i have ended at least two ambush matches with both sides having 00 clones. we lost as well |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2013.01.31 02:28:00 -
[70] - Quote
dont play ambush, and our scenario was skirmish!! |
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gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
379
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Posted - 2013.01.31 02:52:00 -
[71] - Quote
i know just pointed out something annoying |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2013.01.31 02:54:00 -
[72] - Quote
gbghg wrote:i know just pointed out something annoying
"you broke character! YOU BROKE CHARACTER!!" *flips over D&D dust version board and storms off*
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gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
379
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Posted - 2013.01.31 03:01:00 -
[73] - Quote
"I'm sorry, I'm sorry-, wait does this mean i get victory by default?" |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2013.01.31 03:02:00 -
[74] - Quote
gbghg wrote:"I'm sorry, I'm sorry-, wait does this mean i get victory by default?"
NO!!! last roll was mine, and i called in a titans OB on your ass
EDIT: i've been here for 4 hours now gonna go play dust now you know, the game we've been talking about?
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Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation
172
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Posted - 2013.01.31 03:08:00 -
[75] - Quote
Did I make this thread <.<...
Lol I love how some people are like "EVE CAN'T STOP MY HUSTLE."
And others are like "WE GONNA PIMP THESE DUST MERCS AND PUT THEM ON THE NULL SEC FOR PROFIT."
There are different players. Someone beat me to the punch but let me elaborate in my own way.
There will be many types of players and corporations.
Player Group A will want to do it for fun.
Player Group B will want to do it for the one-ups/penor bragging.
Player Group C will want to make a solo profit as a serious merc.
Player Group D will focus on E-Sports, with players betting on them.
Player Group E will be focused on the stories and warfare
Player Group F will be wanting to dominate Null Sec (lol).
And so on.
It'll be the same for corps although their goals will probably sway more to being able to make a profit most of the time whether that's through actual battles or through selling of equipment or spying.
So yeah. There's a difference. If you aren't the person that will care about this, then you really shouldn't be posting. I can't you or make you stop posting in this thread but I'll suggest it <.<...lol.
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gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
379
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Posted - 2013.01.31 03:09:00 -
[76] - Quote
General Tiberius1 wrote:gbghg wrote:"I'm sorry, I'm sorry-, wait does this mean i get victory by default?" NO!!! last roll was mine, and i called in a titans OB on your ass EDIT: i've been here for 4 hours now gonna go play dust now you know, the game we've been talking about? to my regret i cannot. it is 3am(GMT0) over here and i need to get some sleep. i might be on for an hour after maintenance or on late in the evening. having to work around various family members for control of the lounge is annoying |
Sev Alcatraz
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
185
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Posted - 2013.01.31 04:15:00 -
[77] - Quote
fuk em, imma turn there own hell fire cannon on em if i get paid enough |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2013.01.31 05:28:00 -
[78] - Quote
gbghg wrote:General Tiberius1 wrote:gbghg wrote:"I'm sorry, I'm sorry-, wait does this mean i get victory by default?" NO!!! last roll was mine, and i called in a titans OB on your ass EDIT: i've been here for 4 hours now gonna go play dust now you know, the game we've been talking about? to my regret i cannot. it is 3am(GMT0) over here and i need to get some sleep. i might be on for an hour after maintenance or on late in the evening. having to work around various family members for control of the lounge is annoying
3am IS late in the evening :) |
Roel Yento II
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.01.31 13:18:00 -
[79] - Quote
If this game never fully integrates with eve and we keep our market separate, unlimited items, even reenforcements for matches, and cheap gear then none of the corp mechanics of eve will happen here. From the look of things though, sounds like we will have resources, production, limited supplies, and the dynamics of fighting for sov will be affected by us and also affect us.
If all of these thing become part of the game then the people that are playing for thr pure fps factor are in for a surprise. Imagine an enemy team with enough money to have several hundred more reenforcements per battles with top of the line gear that cost 5mil or more per fit because market prices have changed the cost of equipment. New items and more advanced gear will eventually come to the game. If you cant afford top of the line gear and lots of clones, good luck being succesfull with your corp. All this free/cheap militia gear will probably perform like crap compared to a fully decked out tech II or pirate faction geared team.
Sure you can play pub matches or coop in future for low cash but you won't be fighting the best corperations. Soon everyone in eve will know who the best merc corps are and who not to hire, a smart merc corp leader will want to understand eve and its people if they plan on being successful as the games become more and more connected. There will not be a dust 2, 3, or 4. Ccp will just expand on this game and update its look and gameplay and add new content for free. People that are here just for the fps side i fear will be the ones that get pushed out by the harshness of eve's social interactions. |
Rhapsodyy Darkforce
SyNergy Gaming
1
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Posted - 2013.01.31 14:34:00 -
[80] - Quote
Full Metal Kitten wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:How will capsuleer corporations be ganking us?Srsly? What can they do to us that will make us shake in fear? I mean other than shoot tha lasers our way? EVE pilots walk among you on the ground. I am one of them. Your corporation will be infiltrated. Your assets will be stolen. You will die to seemingly friendly fire. Your corporation will be disbanded. Your allies will turn on you. You will be subjected to socioeconomic warfare. Armies will be flattened into sheets of glass. Your clone won't die, but your spirit will be crushed. Are you ready? We are.
Indeed.
You've already been infiltrated, everyone is a spy, didnt you know...?
Welcome to New Eden |
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Protobeast
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.01.31 14:47:00 -
[81] - Quote
i love how some of u evetards seem to think spys & espionage are a one way street, and apparently us dustards can't possibly have eve accounts enjoying ur cookies & milk. |
Crimson Warlock
Clan Eshin
1
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Posted - 2013.01.31 14:52:00 -
[82] - Quote
NewsFlash: Goons are already here, they just aren't in Goon (no I'm not a member)
But until Dust affects null sec Goons are unlikely to care about Dust! |
Rus Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
6
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Posted - 2013.03.03 02:48:00 -
[83] - Quote
Cpt Murd0ck wrote:I'm not liking all the "fps gamers only care about this" or "mmo players are different because of this" EVE just like DUST will has different layers of player who want different things from their games. I played EVE for a while and big corp scandals and battles between the likes of goonswarm or BoB never effected my game (directly) Some players will just want to log on everyday to kill other players, inflate their KDR and be the top of the leaderboards. Other players will only care about nul sec sec and scoff at the "noobs" who play pub matches they will care about their corp and it's reputation. It's these players who WILL care about about all the politics and scandals but that's the beauty of new Eden its a different game to everybody. DUST might not end up with the same scope but CCP do it right it and should have at least a fraction of it.
This.
Most EVE players are in space because they want to have fun, get kills and earn some bragging rights. It's not that different to any other competitive gamer.
And if you can remove those elements, or couple of them, by using ISK, fraud, espionage, covert ops or politics, most people leave for some other corp. Sure, you and the couple of friends closest to you will remain, but the reputation you so hardly built will go poof. That's how it works in EVE, and that kind of game will sometimes spill over to Dust. It might not be that frequent, but it's *possible*. And the OP wanted to speculate about the possibilities, so that's what I do.
You just need proper mix of spying, betrayal, intelligence and hard work and you can make most of the people in the target corp feel they can't win, their bragging rights go missing due to opposition knowing too well how they work and they stop having fun because the game seems unfair.
Now, when the game stops being fun, most people just leave. They go to another corp and another game. If someone in your corp says "hey, let's play ME3 instead, it's more fun than this" and half of the people follow him, you have already lost the war even if the people technically stay in your corp.
And that kind of stuff works *better* if the guys in your corp have short attention span and just want some easy fun. So the FPS players described by some in this thread fall into this kind of pitfall *more* easily than players whose goals span years. Much of this kind of work boils down to this: the attacker will try to make the game as unfun as possible to the target. He is willing to make *his own* game unfun for weeks or months to accomplish the goal. And the side that can endure the unfunness longer and still remain active and retain their spirit wins.
Good example of this kind of work are corp thieves: they are often hunted down repeatedly and with dedication and force, until they figure it's easier to biomass the character. It doesn't matter if you hide for months, they *will* be waiting the very day you come back. So in the end it's easier to just say "goodbye" to the SP and make a new character.
Like I said, I don't believe most EVE corps bother to do this to Dust corps. But it's not impossible, if someone really wants.
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Samahiel
Immobile Infantry
1
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Posted - 2013.03.03 04:12:00 -
[84] - Quote
Crimson Warlock wrote:NewsFlash: Goons are already here, they just aren't in Goon (no I'm not a member)
But until Dust affects null sec Goons are unlikely to care about Dust!
This is a lie, there are no goons, all is well, be at peace. You have always been at war with Eastasia. |
dazlb72
HELGHAN EXILES
3
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Posted - 2013.03.03 04:23:00 -
[85] - Quote
Eventually it will have more of an impact than that. When our corp went **** up we lost sov on 1/3 of our systems and lot our logistic chain of JBs in 12 hours.
Losing your corp and identity is a huge hit to morale.[/quote] true but its a sad thing to say that most of the average fps gamer pride comes from his k/d ratio, not how his team is doing[/quote]
That depends on what FPS you've been playing. Certain ones demand team play and squad ethics. |
kas croixe
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2013.03.03 06:10:00 -
[86] - Quote
yeah, here's the problem with your espionage and sabotage, and theft(don't act life its some kind of heroic achievement. you're just stealing from someone else's hard work because you're spiteful that they have more than you)
FPS players go: Damn, well, mark that guy, put him on a blacklist, restart the corp, and watch him to find out which master he serves, login to eve, and do the exact same while pulling the con in dust as well, break him. at least that's how I go.
In EVE, was in my 2 week free trial, met a nice guy who said he had found some kind of container and noticing I was a newbie thought I could use it more than he could, such a nice player. it flagged me as soon as I touched it, he killed my ship, and then left my pod untouched, claiming that it was some kind of lesson while his flunkies(in starter ships as well) picked apart the corpse of my ship.
Did that break me? no. I got back to the station, got in my... I can't even remember the name of the thing now, battlecruiser, battleship, bat'leth? most heavily armed ship a freebie has the ability to fly. I had been learning the skills to use it, loaded the little bastard up with lasers, and left the station. one by one, I hunted down all his little buddies, tore them to shreds, turned their pods to ash. got some lovely hatemail. eventually, the guy found me and came after me again, predicted as such, thought it would take him less time after I started killing the little kittens.
Turns out there are white knights in EVE, and they wanted this guy dead for hassling newbies (who knew?) Dropped a hint as to his little plan for revenge (I made the same run every day for a couple days at around the same time) so I start puttering along my little route, he shows up on the leg of it that takes me through low-sec "ambushes" me(is that still the right word?) I open fire and call in the cavalry. it was short. left him in his pod, and told him he should have finished the kittening job next time, or he'll get someone like me again.
I miss playing EVE, but at the same time I don't. Unyielding vengeance is tiring, and stops being fun when you realize that in order to fight monsters, you had to become the bigger monster. |
bcs1a
River-Rats Mercenaries
0
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Posted - 2013.03.05 02:30:00 -
[87] - Quote
Full Metal Kitten wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:How will capsuleer corporations be ganking us?Srsly? What can they do to us that will make us shake in fear? I mean other than shoot tha lasers our way? EVE pilots walk among you on the ground. I am one of them.
Yes, we are many
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Rus Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
7
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Posted - 2013.03.05 16:07:00 -
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kas croixe wrote:yeah, here's the problem with your espionage and sabotage, and theft(don't act life its some kind of heroic achievement. you're just stealing from someone else's hard work because you're spiteful that they have more than you)
Are you now talking about corp theft or espionage? They are very different things. Everyone who wants to remain in power does espionage and counter-espionage. There is nothing dishonorable in them; the EVE Universe *is* about getting power and not letting someone else have it. Without that aspect EVE and Dust would be just yet-another-boring-MMOs. And when getting into power, information is a critical asset; thus all possible ways are used to know the enemy plans.
Corp theft on the other hand steals someone else's belongings; it is generally frowned upon very much.
If you feel spying, espionage, cabinet dealings and cartels are bad form, you're playing in wrong universe. Because these are both essential on how corporations and alliances interact, they are also integral part of the EVE world. |
Mocha Biscotti
Red Star.
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Posted - 2013.03.05 16:49:00 -
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Jotun Hiem wrote:Full Metal Kitten wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:How will capsuleer corporations be ganking us?Srsly? What can they do to us that will make us shake in fear? I mean other than shoot tha lasers our way? EVE pilots walk among you on the ground. I am one of them. Your corporation will be infiltrated. Your assets will be stolen. You will die to seemingly friendly fire. Your corporation will be disbanded. Your allies will turn on you. You will be subjected to socioeconomic warfare. Armies will be flattened into sheets of glass. Your clone won't die, but your spirit will be crushed. Are you ready? We are. ... You don't play a lot of online FPS games, do you? I'm not worried. Being part of a super tight knit group... This sort of thing doesn't scare me. |
Panther Alpha
Blueberries United
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Posted - 2013.03.05 17:05:00 -
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Jotun Hiem wrote:Full Metal Kitten wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:How will capsuleer corporations be ganking us?Srsly? What can they do to us that will make us shake in fear? I mean other than shoot tha lasers our way? EVE pilots walk among you on the ground. I am one of them. Your corporation will be infiltrated. Your assets will be stolen. You will die to seemingly friendly fire. Your corporation will be disbanded. Your allies will turn on you. You will be subjected to socioeconomic warfare. Armies will be flattened into sheets of glass. Your clone won't die, but your spirit will be crushed. Are you ready? We are. ... You don't play a lot of online FPS games, do you?
You know... this is going to be one of the hardest things for CCP to implement.
Most FPS players only likes shooting at things, they will ok with the SP and skill books, so they can shoot more things "Faster". But all this EvE "thing", where role play is taken to a completely different level, is going to be Alien for most of them.
Most FPS players are truly CLONES....
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Jonny RIC0
ROGUE SPADES
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Posted - 2013.03.05 18:17:00 -
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Sontie wrote:They won't be ganking us. They wil be hiring us to gank the planetary assets of others.
We are dust compared to them. We mean little to nothing.
And vice versa. Nothing anyone in EVE does will effect my enjoyment of this game one little bit.
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Rus Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
7
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Posted - 2013.03.06 02:15:00 -
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Jonny RIC0 wrote:Sontie wrote:They won't be ganking us. They wil be hiring us to gank the planetary assets of others.
We are dust compared to them. We mean little to nothing. And vice versa. Nothing anyone in EVE does will effect my enjoyment of this game one little bit.
I am not that sure about it. After all, every non-sucky item (that does not cost AUR) will over time be manufactured by capsuleers. And every major war is capsuleers fighting each other. It might not be them *directly* talking to you, but the effects are global. Just like every capsuleer now feels the effects of certain high profile campaigns, like Burn Jita or Hulkageddon, as they raise price of certain goods for everyone.
However, what I see the first major interaction is infiltration. Because all-dustie corporations don't have routine on anti-espionage measures _but_ capsuleers will still often want to coordinate operations with them, dustie corps will provide soft targets for spies. Most likely the spies would never directly affect the host corp, but they would relay information about combined operations and tactics to the enemy.
This is how it goes: when you infiltrate your enemy, you always pick the softest targets first. Then ones that are least prune about their operation security. And the dustie corps that work on "we dun care about pilots" principle are the softest possible targets. |
Rupture Reaperson
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.03.06 11:36:00 -
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Cpt Murd0ck wrote:Having played EVE of and on I'd be willing to bet there are already a few double agents in the bigger corps laughing and joking with you. Maybe he's your regular squad buddy. But all that time he reporting back to his true master keeping an eye on your assets, sharing your plans and waiting until you give him that all important role in your corp then BOOM all your assets are gone muhahahahah cough cough. Oh noes lost may in game moneiz!!!11!eleven |
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