So what, they will keep on playing BF3 and then wait for BF4 and then BF5 and pay money for all the DLC they shove their throat while we get full free game with free expansions and free everything forever. :) Leave them be, ignorance is bliss.

So now you people are saying that the new players' dislike of this game is their own fault. Not the game's fault...not the developer's fault...but their own fault because they...failed to force themselves to enjoy the game?...

Are you guys for real? Like, does this sort of logic even exist outside of the internet?

Battlefield players are use to relying on reaction time and only a slight variance in firepower to win a fire fight.

In this game you dont have to have reflexes nor mental acuity to win (as we can see with MANY of the "best" players) its more of an equipment war. You have higher armor so even though that player aims better and hits you more, you win because you can take more damage.

Battlefield players would eat dusties alive if the field were even and everyone was forced to wear the same outfitting. Thankfully for all of you MMO players its an equipment thing so you dont have to be good, just farm isk and be better equipped. The way dust works.

Battlefield players are use to relying on reaction time and only a slight variance in firepower to win a fire fight.

In this game you dont have to have reflexes nor mental acuity to win (as we can see with MANY of the "best" players) its more of an equipment war. You have higher armor so even though that player aims better and hits you more, you win because you can take more damage.

Battlefield players would eat dusties alive if the field were even and everyone was forced to wear the same outfitting. Thankfully for all of you MMO players its an equipment thing so you dont have to be good, just farm isk and be better equipped. The way dust works.

I am trying to convince them if they play as a team and get better gear and PTFO you would like the game.
Idiots won't even listen.
Don't hate the game, hate the player.

I am trying to convince them if they play as a team and get better gear and PTFO you would like the game.
Idiots won't even listen.
Don't hate the game, hate the player.

I agree overall, as a former BF2, 3 and BC player it takes a different set of skills to play both games, however you will always get people who say X is better then Y and Y is better than Z, personally for me, BF3 is far superior to COD (mainly becuase there is no team play or support aspect to COD) however Dust ticks the boxes of a support role, however I can get my kicks from kills as well from intelligent playing and not just i shot first and didnt encounter lag like COD.

People will love a certain game or item will always vehemently defend a game, its a fact.

Think of it like football (soccer for you wierd americans) I like one team, my father likes another one - i will always say my team is better than his - even though last time they met my team lost.

Battlefield players are use to relying on reaction time and only a slight variance in firepower to win a fire fight.

In this game you dont have to have reflexes nor mental acuity to win (as we can see with MANY of the "best" players) its more of an equipment war. You have higher armor so even though that player aims better and hits you more, you win because you can take more damage.

Battlefield players would eat dusties alive if the field were even and everyone was forced to wear the same outfitting. Thankfully for all of you MMO players its an equipment thing so you dont have to be good, just farm isk and be better equipped. The way dust works.

Battlefield players are use to relying on reaction time and only a slight variance in firepower to win a fire fight.

In this game you dont have to have reflexes nor mental acuity to win (as we can see with MANY of the "best" players) its more of an equipment war. You have higher armor so even though that player aims better and hits you more, you win because you can take more damage.

Battlefield players would eat dusties alive if the field were even and everyone was forced to wear the same outfitting. Thankfully for all of you MMO players its an equipment thing so you dont have to be good, just farm isk and be better equipped. The way dust works.

Battlefield players are use to relying on reaction time and only a slight variance in firepower to win a fire fight.

In this game you dont have to have reflexes nor mental acuity to win (as we can see with MANY of the "best" players) its more of an equipment war. You have higher armor so even though that player aims better and hits you more, you win because you can take more damage.

Battlefield players would eat dusties alive if the field were even and everyone was forced to wear the same outfitting. Thankfully for all of you MMO players its an equipment thing so you dont have to be good, just farm isk and be better equipped. The way dust works.

Battlefield players are use to relying on reaction time and only a slight variance in firepower to win a fire fight.

In this game you dont have to have reflexes nor mental acuity to win (as we can see with MANY of the "best" players) its more of an equipment war. You have higher armor so even though that player aims better and hits you more, you win because you can take more damage.

Battlefield players would eat dusties alive if the field were even and everyone was forced to wear the same outfitting. Thankfully for all of you MMO players its an equipment thing so you dont have to be good, just farm isk and be better equipped. The way dust works.

Battlefield players are use to relying on reaction time and only a slight variance in firepower

This game is for advanced shooters. We will always have kids/people who can not handle anything else than simple and therefor will keep on running around in circles playing mindless games like BF & COD.

I havn't touched bf3 since I started playing dust a year ago, bf3 just doesn't do it for me anymore. Dust is what bf3 SHOULD have been, frostbite 2 is just eye candy, it means nothing if the gameplay is not there.

I am trying to convince them if they play as a team and get better gear and PTFO you would like the game.
Idiots won't even listen.
Don't hate the game, hate the player.

Are you really saying that Dust has better gameplay than BF3?

Are you dumb or just plain stupid?!

Battlefield players are use to relying on reaction time and only a slight variance in firepower to win a fire fight.

In this game you dont have to have reflexes nor mental acuity to win (as we can see with MANY of the "best" players) its more of an equipment war. You have higher armor so even though that player aims better and hits you more, you win because you can take more damage.

Battlefield players would eat dusties alive if the field were even and everyone was forced to wear the same outfitting. Thankfully for all of you MMO players its an equipment thing so you dont have to be good, just farm isk and be better equipped. The way dust works.

Erm wtf are you talking about. I regulary own heavys in my scout/assault fit, not though more ehp but though skill. Also IT'S AN OPEN BETA GAME AND IT'S FREE FFS!! Most of you whiners think that this is the finished product. IT ISN'T! not by far.

Really, if your that annoyed with it, go back to BF3/COD. I'm sure the 100's of -ú or $ will be worth it.

Blinded by rampant fanboyism perhaps.

If Dust had the same core game-play as BF3 (with it's own flavour) it'd be unstoppable.

For all you bleating sheep who think Dust is the perfect game, do yourselves a favour.

Just for a minute, ONE minute, be objective. I implore you, I'm not denying that you can have fun with Dust.

Look up a HD video of BF3, Planetside 2, Tribes Ascend or any other top level shooter on YouTube.

Listen to the sound - listen to how much it adds to the atmosphere.

Look at the graphics - smooth frame-rate = responsive controls.

Look at the level of polish the game engine has in general. How professional things look, how cohesive an experience it all is.

That's the level that Dust has to get to. It's not there right now. It's as simple as that. That's why your buddies are trashing it. Because they are used to polish and quality.

Dust should probably still be in closed beta in its current state.

Eve is not attempting to be WoW and Dust isn't attempting to be BF3 or COD.

They are totally different games and attract totally different players. If someone wanting a BF3 experience plays DUST, they are going to be disappointed. So what?

I wonder how many people bashing the game that are used to polished games rememebr when 8 bit sprites were the pinnacle of good graphics

games wont always be for everybody

For all you bleating sheep who think Dust is the perfect game, do yourselves a favour.

Just for a minute, ONE minute, be objective. I implore you, I'm not denying that you can have fun with Dust.

Look up a HD video of BF3, Planetside 2, Tribes Ascend or any other top level shooter on YouTube.

Listen to the sound - listen to how much it adds to the atmosphere.

Look at the graphics - smooth frame-rate = responsive controls.

Look at the level of polish the game engine has in general. How professional things look, how cohesive an experience it all is.

That's the level that Dust has to get to. It's not there right now. It's as simple as that. That's why your buddies are trashing it. Because they are used to polish and quality.

Dust should probably still be in closed beta in its current state.

That's an absurd and pointless comparison. That was then, this is now. Now, shooters are expected to meet a certain criteria, that is why we have a host of also-rans with empty servers.

Brink, Section 8, Crysis 2, MOH.

That's just 4 games in the last year or so. There's more. All of those games have more technical polish that Dust currently does.

It's not a private club. If you think it doesn't need to make money to survive, you are loopy.

That's an absurd and pointless comparison. That was then, this is now. Now, shooters are expected to meet a certain criteria, that is why we have a host of also-rans with empty servers.

Brink, Section 8, Crysis 2, MOH.

That's just 4 games in the last year or so. There's more. All of those games have more technical polish that Dust currently does.

It's not a private club. If you think it doesn't need to make money to survive, you are loopy.

Section 8 was a lot of fun. It's a real shame that game died off so quickly. I think it would have been the perfect template for Dust. It was tactical, futuristic and as you said, had a brilliant spawn mechanic.

Some betas are rough, some are very polished. Hawken for instance (in open beta) is very polished at the moment.

I wish CCP would communicate more often. It's so vague as to what the plan is, or where Dust is headed.

You never saw Brink in the first week after release, or worse - a review copy before the day-one patch.

IT. WASN'T. READY.

It certainly didn't have the level of polish DUST already has - and that lasted until AFTER release. DUST is still in beta. There are some things where "it's a beta" doesn't cut it, but this is an area where it's relevant.

Is DUST ready for release? No. Is it ready for open beta? Yes.

Personally, I find DUST more enjoyable than Battlefield 3. I'm not saying it's as polished. I'm not saying it's ready for release. I'm not saying that the current state of DUST is better than (or even as good as) BF3. But I still enjoy it more. Different games - sometimes even different games in the same genre - appeal to different people.

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I did see it and it was a disaster. Thus, the servers are empty. That's my point. CCP are playing a dangerous game here. Open beta or not, FPS are very flaky these days. They jump from game to game quickly and if it doesn't reach expectations, then it's dead.

For all you bleating sheep who think Dust is the perfect game, do yourselves a favour.

Just for a minute, ONE minute, be objective. I implore you, I'm not denying that you can have fun with Dust.

Look up a HD video of BF3, Planetside 2, Tribes Ascend or any other top level shooter on YouTube.

Listen to the sound - listen to how much it adds to the atmosphere.

Look at the graphics - smooth frame-rate = responsive controls.

Look at the level of polish the game engine has in general. How professional things look, how cohesive an experience it all is.

That's the level that Dust has to get to. It's not there right now. It's as simple as that. That's why your buddies are trashing it. Because they are used to polish and quality.

Dust should probably still be in closed beta in its current state.

Battlefield players are use to relying on reaction time and only a slight variance in firepower to win a fire fight.

In this game you dont have to have reflexes nor mental acuity to win (as we can see with MANY of the "best" players) its more of an equipment war. You have higher armor so even though that player aims better and hits you more, you win because you can take more damage.

Battlefield players would eat dusties alive if the field were even and everyone was forced to wear the same outfitting. Thankfully for all of you MMO players its an equipment thing so you dont have to be good, just farm isk and be better equipped. The way dust works.

^^^ This.

Dust should still be in closed beta they have been developing it for how many years now? I remember watching alpha footage back in 2010. While the game is slightly better for an open beta it's not where it should be.

so your compairing those finished games to dust? and also those vids are taken from PC's on max gfx. if dust was on the PC it'd prob have gfx of that quality. but alas it aint. Suck it up ffs. The sound is being worked on, EVERYTHING is being worked on.

Please get some sense, WE ARE HERE TO BETA TEST THE F-ING GAME!! Use feedback, give the devs your views. \don't *****, be constructive.

You're right, it is a beta, which is exactly why us "whiners" continue to bring up the issues with the game (because we want it to be better) which others ignore because they believe Dust is currently great, which it isn't. Dust is not currently on par with shooters like BF. Once everyone recognizes that and stops bickering, then maybe we can work together to make it better than those other games.

Hi,
CCP Earworm, sound programmer for Dust, here.

Later this week we're content streaming a lot of new sounds, affecting everything from the music to the explosions to the firing sounds of many different weapons. These changes are a big step to finishing the sound and setting the mood we want.

The LAR is one sound that we've constantly iterated on since it's the bread and butter of the dust battlefield. We've gone through a ton of versions to find the right fit for the LAR, and the new version coming in this week (along with all the sweeping changes in overall sound) takes into account what you guys have been talking about here.

Thanks for all the comments!

It's like discussing something with a cardboard box.

You don't get it, do you? I understand that it's a work in progress, Joe Gamer who plays a few shooters here and there doesn't care. He wants it to be as good as his favorite shooter NOW. If it isn't he won't try it again.

That's the point of this thread. We're discussing why people think Dust is a third rate, crappy shooter. Those are the reasons. It's because people expect a certain level of polish and Dust doesn't have it.

If you can't see the constructive criticism in that alone for CCP, there's nothing I can do to help you.

im sorry, BF3 was awesome....in the begining...ok, i see your point

So now you people are saying that the new players' dislike of this game is their own fault. Not the game's fault...not the developer's fault...but their own fault because they...failed to force themselves to enjoy the game?...

Are you guys for real? Like, does this sort of logic even exist outside of the internet?

You do have a point, but the situation we're looking at here is bad PR about DUST, a large part of which is based on total ignorance.

There are many valid reasons to criticize DUST, however, when peeps are so friggin' dense that they don't realize you can modify your dropsuit fittings or train skills and then publicly trash the product then yes there is a problem, and peeps who care about the success of DUST should be out there fighting the mouthbreathers when they can. And if you read some of those reviews, from individuals AND the press, it's obvious that they spent an hour or two with the game, failed the intelligence test, and are now out there spewing their gems of wisdom to the world.

Personally, i don't give a kittenfart, because i think that the success of DUST is virtually guaranteed at this point(yes, we all, Devs and testers, have a kittenload of work to do still), and I don't want the mouthbreathers anywhere near this game - there's lots of FPSs out there for them already.

Is it their fault? I dunno, but I sure as hell don't want them. Maybe they've got friends who will hold their hand and explain the game to them some day and they'll come back into New Eden so the rest of us can prey on them.

Are you really saying that Dust has better gameplay than BF3?

Are you dumb or just plain stupid?!

So now you people are saying that the new players' dislike of this game is their own fault. Not the game's fault...not the developer's fault...but their own fault because they...failed to force themselves to enjoy the game?...

Are you guys for real? Like, does this sort of logic even exist outside of the internet?

HERP DERP DERP DERP DERP HERP DERP HERP DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP!

In dust we are all equal, we all play the game, we enjoy the game, and we don't give a damn about kdr.

I wish I understood what is so complex about Dust compared to any other shooter.

When it gets down to the nitty gritty, Skirmish mode is just a carbon copy of Battlefield's Conquest mode.

The economy and drop suit customization aren't especially deep or complex at all.

In game, you capture objectives and pew pew at the other team.

The problem Dust has is that it's technically a good distance behind the others.

I hope this supposed new build will address some of those complaints.

I guess I'm just not a bf3 fanboy as much as you are boyo.
Do I think dust looks better? No not right now, but i started gaming on NES and digital game watches back in the early 80's so graphics don't bother me.
As for gameplay, yes I do think dust has better gameplay than bf3, and that's to be expected because a % of ex dice are employed by ccp, so put those two together and you get something like dust (gameplay similar to bf 2142, the best bf in my book), the deep skill system that takes brains to work out, large scale maps, good teamwork, FREE expansion packs (keep your $15 four map 'expansions' dice, we get ours for nada/zip/zero/nowt/nil/nothin.
Also dust has a more mature player base (majority is 21+) with no annoying little brats with Mickey Mouse voices who think cod was the first ever fps.
The forums are a place people enjoy, as opposed to the bf3 forums where you get cyber a$$ raped if your kdr is not good or your not a premium player.
In dust we are all equal, we all play the game, we enjoy the game, and we don't give a damn about kdr.

So I think the above are just a FEW reasons why dust is better than bf3

Battlefield players are use to relying on reaction time and only a slight variance in firepower to win a fire fight.

In this game you dont have to have reflexes nor mental acuity to win (as we can see with MANY of the "best" players) its more of an equipment war. You have higher armor so even though that player aims better and hits you more, you win because you can take more damage.

Battlefield players would eat dusties alive if the field were even and everyone was forced to wear the same outfitting. Thankfully for all of you MMO players its an equipment thing so you dont have to be good, just farm isk and be better equipped. The way dust works.

And some of us are more equal than others.

Besides, who gives half a **** about people on some random game forum? This community is the only thing that matters and we're going to grow organically for years to come so stop worrying and learn to love the complexity.

So you are stupid and a Dust fanboy. Because if you think Dust plays better than BF3 something is totally wrong with.

So you are stupid and a Dust fanboy.

I play Battelfield3, and Dust514. I have played Dust514 for seven months now, and honestly? Both are good games. One is a finished product though, and the other is a game in progress. That said they are two widely different titles with much different objectives, and play styles. You could not, and should not compare Dust514 to any other game in all honesty; just as you should not base any other game against Dust514.

Just my opinion, but figures I'd throw it out there.