**** You. kain has done all the work here and already has set up streamers on both sides the only reason no one saw them was closed beta.

Trying to defend your **** leader for taking credit for someone elses work is rich

Could we all please be filled in as to what happened and how it happened step by step? so we can form informed responses. I don't want this turning into a flame war when it sounds like it might be something we all agree on in was in principle a bad decision by CCP.

Beers can you please fill us in step by step what happened and what was the result. Did Zion receive some sort of reward or something?

I didn't agree with him, but now I see where hes coming from when he said you had little maturity and class.
This could be easily sorted out by talking to ZionShad and not releasing it to a forum of players just to try make Shad look bad.

Off topic: Hey, that rhymed.

Actually this was a much needed publicly shown discussion, as much as you want this to remain in the shadows of New Eden. I understand why you didn't want to have this dirty laundry about your leader shown around, but we as players all make mistakes even the mighty Zion is not perfect.

Zion, continue to talk **** on Imp's, and you'll get a bounty.

I'm sort of confused by this post. Other then not showing up for the event - what did Zionshad do wrong? Not immediately go running to the imperfects about the deal CCP should of offered themselves?

Shad was open and cool with me about the situation and asked if I wanted to participate and help out on Saturday, which I can't since I will be out and about that day.

Whatever happens the Dust OB event will be occurring this Saturday and will be hosted by CSM 7 member Hans aka Heinrich on Dust (who specializes in Faction Warfare). Shad is welcome to use his support from CCP to bolster the event. Once/if I've have gotten an answer regarding the prizes I was going to offer I'll post that up.

I dont think this was a malicious action. I've had nothing but good conversations with the Devs and GMs with any issues regarding the orbital stuff (including working with CCP so they knew system picks well ahead of time so they could track the data). I think was just a mis communication and misunderstanding.

I think was just a mis communication and misunderstanding.

I'm sort of confused by this post. Other then not showing up for the event - what did Zionshad do wrong? Not immediately go running to the imperfects about the deal CCP should of offered themselves?

eyes will open and this community will see you for who you are.

Guys - I know some Zion members are here defending Shad - forgive 'em. This thread is coming off wrong in all directions. We of ZionTCD aren't happy about this any more then the imperfects are. This doesn't just undermine the Imperfects and Kain - it undermines us all. Who will make the next event if CCP will give credit and reward to someone else?

We're also still caught up we were even offered an event. We're like giggling children sometimes when handed candy with DUST logos :D

Know that ZionTCD does support you Kain and we're sorry for all this.

I bet that shad will give special thanks to him
it doesnt matter if he is the one who hosts the streams or not
he has and will have recognition among our community
(shad is a good guy and we could convinve him to give special thanks to him on the strean)

special thanks? for what?

Zionshad: "hey kain thanks for letting me put my name on everything you already did so i can try and run for csm", "PS kain if you ever need a corp to lose a battle (not that we can win anyways) let us know ill give you a reasonable rate"

Guys - I know some Zion members are here defending Shad - forgive 'em. This thread is coming off wrong in all directions. We of ZionTCD aren't happy about this any more then the imperfects are. This doesn't just undermine the Imperfects and Kain - it undermines us all. Who will make the next event if CCP will give credit and reward to someone else?

We're also still caught up we were even offered an event. We're like giggling children sometimes when handed candy with DUST logos :D

Know that ZionTCD does support you Kain and we're sorry for all this.

Best post all day, +1 for trying to make the peace.

Heck lets ask GM anybody to close this up and throw away the key.

No One is Perfect everyone makes mistakes
ccp or shad doesnt matter, fighting wont make it change
CCP is the one and only one who decides who will be the one making those streams

they might have a lots of reasons that we dont know about and were not taking into consideration
You need all the variables to solve the equation but we havent all of them so nothing we say is actually right or not right

special thanks? for what?

Zionshad: "hey kain thanks for letting me put my name on everything you already did so i can try and run for csm", "PS kain if you ever need a corp to lose a battle (not that we can win anyways) let us know ill give you a reasonable rate"

No One is Perfect everyone makes mistakes
ccp or shad doesnt matter, fighting wont make it change
CCP is the one and only one who decides who will be the one making those streams

they might have a lots of reasons that we dont know about and were not taking into consideration
You need all the variables to solve the equation but we havent all of them so nothing we say is actually right or not right

Know that ZionTCD does support you Kain and we're sorry for all this.

Actually this was a much needed publicly shown discussion, as much as you want this to remain in the shadows of New Eden. I understand why you didn't want to have this dirty laundry about your leader shown around, but we as players all make mistakes even the mighty Zion is not perfect.

I was actually planning on carrying over the streaming from the Dust For Kids stuff to this, but I hadn't gotten in touch with Jenza about it yet. Streams will be happening on Saturday and they will be awesome and they will make people pay attention to this game.

I didn't run the OB stuff by myself. Mobius came up with the idea to create a Orbital Bombardment centered channel. I just ended up being the one who made it and it snowballed from there. That became Dust OB and then OB events followed. Tons have people have helped me keep it going along the way (shout out to Jaiden, Daniel, Corvo, Hans, Beers, D3LTA Superman, the list goes on).I wanted to pass it off to the community because I knew my corp tag could get in the way of making this something even bigger and last for years down the road. The EVE/Dust connection is what sells this game!

Everyone in this Beta has worked hard to make this game work and better. From the wall of text posters to the QQ'ers. As beta testers we have put countless hours testing the game to help make it what it is today and what it will be in the future. That is ours to own, but also make us responsible for breaking whatever code when can, exploit any weapon possible 'till its fix, and presenting and pimping this game to the wider community outside the beta to ensure it's success. It doesn't matter how we get down that path. The only thing is at the end of the day this game kicks the **** out of every other FPS and makes a real impact on New Eden that drives people to our ranks as Dusters.



I appreciate that. I really do. Shad's be open with me from the get go about the whole thing. It's a kittened up situation.

They already have one for 1.3 billion. I think