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Posted - 2013.01.23 17:57:00 -
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We brought Zionshad in because his involvement in FW and he was willing to be apart of it. No reason frenamies can't work together for a good cause right?
However,
-Kain started this back in december with OB testing and have spent a **** ton of hours putting it together -Kain organized the Dust OB channel -Kain organized the corps invovled -Kain got media coverage invovled like evenews24 -Kain got both pilots and mercs to record streams each week even if we couldn't broadcast it.
CCP never ever responded about the corp prizes he wanted to give as rewards out of his own pocket.
Yet, CCP reaches out to Zionshad about this when his corps don't even show up to fight during the events.
Sorry but I call biased here because everyone knows who started it and runs it. Fix this. Now.
Note: When he was suppoe to actually manage the event last weekend he no showed for it. |
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Posted - 2013.01.23 18:12:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:No one but zion can see that and don't post our corporations threads in general chat. Otherwise I agree. You guys did all the work I don't see why we should reap the benefits. I'll bring this up - the guy at least deserves some huge effin' kudos plastered everywhere. And at least the same rewards zionshad was offered. If not better.
It's okay i can see it :-) It's also bullshit as all zionshad did was put up thread about it and his name on it. He didn't even manage the even likehe was suppose too.
Zionshad deserves zero credit and he wont by the time i am done
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Posted - 2013.01.23 18:25:00 -
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SoLJae wrote:CCP made a decision to work with Shad and Zion TCD in general. It's childish to presume that Zion Shad doesn't deserve to act upon what CCP offered him and frankly, if the Imperfects learned how to do things the Zion TCD way, they might earn a little more respect and dignity from the community.
You and your members should show a little class and maturity once in a while and one day you might be able to participate in such events yourselves.
**** You. kain has done all the work here and already has set up streamers on both sides the only reason no one saw them was closed beta.
Trying to defend your **** leader for taking credit for someone elses work is rich |
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Posted - 2013.01.23 18:32:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Free Beers wrote:SoLJae wrote:CCP made a decision to work with Shad and Zion TCD in general. It's childish to presume that Zion Shad doesn't deserve to act upon what CCP offered him and frankly, if the Imperfects learned how to do things the Zion TCD way, they might earn a little more respect and dignity from the community.
You and your members should show a little class and maturity once in a while and one day you might be able to participate in such events yourselves.
**** You. kain has done all the work here and already has set up streamers on both sides the only reason no one saw them was closed beta. Trying to defend your **** leader for taking credit for someone elses work is rich He really didn't mean it that way. He was just pointing out that your over-all reputation probably played a factor in there decision. But let's be honest - CCP's track record for decision making is terrible. lol
time to change your tag sota you dont belong with zion tcd. All the other good players are gone best get on your way too. no reason to go down with the ship.
This was a kain thing not an IMPS things. Placing any blame on the tag he carries is utter bullshit. |
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Posted - 2013.01.23 18:56:00 -
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2-Ton Twenty-One wrote:Could we all please be filled in as to what happened and how it happened step by step? so we can form informed responses. I don't want this turning into a flame war when it sounds like it might be something we all agree on in was in principle a bad decision by CCP.
Beers can you please fill us in step by step what happened and what was the result. Did Zion receive some sort of reward or something?
per zion tcd forums and email zionshad forward to kain ccp asked zionshad to help promote dust/eve side streaming of Dust OB. They offered him prizes to hand out to those that help with the streaming recording.
Now this is not zionshads fault at all. However, kain has already set all of that up. Not only has he set it up he wanted to offer items/plex aka money out of his own pocket to reward those that participate. He asked ccp for approval and hasn't heard **** from them
Kain has put in over 100 hours in this and always intended this to be a community thing since the get go. Hence, the rotating of who runs it. The whole idea to kain was to make this a dust corp/ eve corp mix so they get to know each other. So when it FW really matters everyone already has working exp and contracts.
That was the goal and it working well.
-So ccp asked zionshad to do what kain has already set up and has running. Not to mention provide rewards for it while never answering kain when he wanted to give rewards out of his own pocket.
-Credit where credit is due and CCP needs to get off Zionshads **** here.
-Lastly zionshad himself was suppose to run it last week and no show'd on it. His corp doesn't even show for contracts. So why the **** would ccp work with him on this?
EvE and dust will be about player content and the best player content to date and ccp over looks the creator? What next no hard cap announced day before is suppose to happen? |
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Posted - 2013.01.23 19:11:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:I think was just a mis communication and misunderstanding.
I know your a nice guy but I also how much time you have put in over last 6 weeks with all the OB stuff. It is bullshit for ccp to give ccp rewards to zionshad to give out when you offered your own money and never heard back.
The streams would have been flowing already if we would have been in open beta.
Sorry but ccp didn't miscommunicate they chose to ignore what you have done for everyone.
Here is a thought maybe i should post this eve side along with all the Zionshad exploit bragging he did. Yeah that would def make him a csm candidate |
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Posted - 2013.01.23 19:19:00 -
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EternalRMG wrote:I bet that shad will give special thanks to him it doesnt matter if he is the one who hosts the streams or not he has and will have recognition among our community (shad is a good guy and we could convinve him to give special thanks to him on the strean )
special thanks? for what?
Zionshad: "hey kain thanks for letting me put my name on everything you already did so i can try and run for csm", "PS kain if you ever need a corp to lose a battle (not that we can win anyways) let us know ill give you a reasonable rate" |
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Posted - 2013.01.23 19:20:00 -
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DEADPOOL5241 wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Guys - I know some Zion members are here defending Shad - forgive 'em. This thread is coming off wrong in all directions. We of ZionTCD aren't happy about this any more then the imperfects are. This doesn't just undermine the Imperfects and Kain - it undermines us all. Who will make the next event if CCP will give credit and reward to someone else?
We're also still caught up we were even offered an event. We're like giggling children sometimes when handed candy with DUST logos :D
Know that ZionTCD does support you Kain and we're sorry for all this. Best post all day, +1 for trying to make the peace. Heck lets ask GM anybody to close this up and throw away the key.
Shut up. We aren't here to make friends we are here for results. This will be a threadnaught and iwll contintue to post till ccp corrects this. |
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Posted - 2013.01.23 19:42:00 -
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DEADPOOL5241 wrote:Free Beers wrote:DEADPOOL5241 wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Guys - I know some Zion members are here defending Shad - forgive 'em. This thread is coming off wrong in all directions. We of ZionTCD aren't happy about this any more then the imperfects are. This doesn't just undermine the Imperfects and Kain - it undermines us all. Who will make the next event if CCP will give credit and reward to someone else?
We're also still caught up we were even offered an event. We're like giggling children sometimes when handed candy with DUST logos :D
Know that ZionTCD does support you Kain and we're sorry for all this. Best post all day, +1 for trying to make the peace. Heck lets ask GM anybody to close this up and throw away the key. Shut up. We aren't here to make friends we are here for results. This will be a threadnaught and iwll contintue to post till ccp corrects this. Free Beers, I am not here to make enemies of every player in New Eden, I am satisfied by Kains post in this thread, he is cool with whats happened and working with CCP to correct the issue. I don't point the finger at Zion, I point a giant foam finger at CCP for this enormous mess. Zions players are coming to their leaders defense, same as you or I would if it was one of ours. Again I don't hate the player, I hate CCP.
As somone to knows 100% whats going on here I can assure you its bullshit by ccp. I brought zionshad into this because kain wanted it to be community.
There was not love/hate thing there. Zionshad and I bump heads but get along jsut fine. I come from eve we are all frenemies.
the zion tcd scrubs can't defend the situations because its not zionshads fault its ccp's. So they come and talk **** to me about like it matters. trying to change subject to naming calling is trolling 101 and the zion scrubs are bad at it.
beers > scrubs tcd |
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Posted - 2013.01.23 19:45:00 -
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EternalRMG wrote:OK lets stop corp Fight for one second and lets unite and yell at CCP
See my OP as I was very specific. If ccp came to me and said hey do this for I would be like sure thing ccp. |
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Posted - 2013.01.23 19:48:00 -
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EternalRMG wrote: again youre showing us how mature you are (and maybe your corp) by calling us scrubs and by thinking that youre better than us this "scrubs" are willing to show you that you arent better than we are
a couple of things here
-i went after ccp, zion tcd players came after me and didn't address the issue.
-I am better than you.
-You are scrubs
prove me wrong (this is where i say corp battle but you guys never ever ever show up except if its to lose and exploit) |
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Posted - 2013.01.23 19:52:00 -
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Twinkletoes Tittybottoms wrote:Its it just me or is CCP getting a lot of flak from the community. First it was the SP cap and now this. Not a very good open beta huh?
you missed the 1 year of close beta party. It was better |
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Posted - 2013.01.23 19:56:00 -
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Twinkletoes Tittybottoms wrote:DEADPOOL5241 wrote:So can we end the forum war between Zion/IMP's and focus all of this energy on the party that deserves it, CCP Again this is a huge PR mistake by a major game corp, If this were a RL business I would be using this to get what I wanted. Or hold it as an ace in the sleeve when we get shat on by CCP again.. (magic 8 ball says " will happen") You should be the PR head for the Imps.
We don't need nice guy **** posters to lead us in kum ba yah |
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SoLJae wrote:Kain Spero wrote:2-Ton Twenty-One wrote:Twinkletoes Tittybottoms wrote:Its it just me or is CCP getting a lot of flak from the community. First it was the SP cap and now this. Not a very good open beta huh? I feel differently about this, I feel this in a way is in a way part of the beta test. CCP DEV's & GM's overstepped their bounds. Now we should focus on using this controversy to accomplish something long term. Clearly Dust needs CCP's internal affairs providing more oversight as they may as of yet not even be mandated to watch Dust as well as EVE. 2-Ton Twenty, I don't think this is an IA situation. I really hope that it's just an honest mistake. For the Eve people around, you'll understand that this situation is a grain of sand compared to the BoB T2 BPO fiasco or the s*** that lead to Burn Jita. I really appreciate the support, but I don't think this really is an Internal Affairs level issue. Kain, I'm starting to believe that you and Deadpool are the ONLY sane and rational voices in the Imperfects! You both should join Zion TCD. We're more your style...the Imps are beneath you.
All your good players left why would elite players want to play with scrubs. This game is about corp battles and all you guys do is get pub stomped and lose/throw corp battles.
How could even a half way decent gamer say "yeah zion tcd the are bad at pubs, bad at corp battles, yup thats for me"
let me tell the you the real here zionshad and your little scrubby corp is the big joke in eve. Just be glad he didn' tmake you all put zion in your name. |
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Posted - 2013.01.23 20:40:00 -
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Jesse Jayne wrote:Lol TCD guys, don't waste your time here.
Imperfects sent me personal invites to join their corp an omni told me he would accept into the corp in a heartbeat so no reason to defend zion, we know the truth. Sorry to hear what happened kain I hope it gets worked out.
we sure did man. no lie there. I am sorry to see you going down with the ship though man your a good dude. I mean whose left besides you, grimmers, and sota.
All things come to and end something might as well get out now. |
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Posted - 2013.01.23 20:57:00 -
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we can't be bothered we are arguing in irc over recoil in ARs. I'm about to turn off the cru and throw nova out the air lock |
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Posted - 2013.01.23 21:19:00 -
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Jesse Jayne wrote:Free Beers wrote:Jesse Jayne wrote:Lol TCD guys, don't waste your time here.
Imperfects sent me personal invites to join their corp an omni told me he would accept into the corp in a heartbeat so no reason to defend zion, we know the truth. Sorry to hear what happened kain I hope it gets worked out. we sure did man. no lie there. I am sorry to see you going down with the ship though man your a good dude. I mean whose left besides you, grimmers, and sota. All things come to and end something might as well get out now. Beers I have squaded with you tiel and others you are good guys, an I don't want argue with you. Remember there is only one person who I want to break their face lol. (you remember the conversation) but me an my corp are working to become better you know all my guys are not elite players but they are damn good guys and my friends. Don't slander our corp for this, your a reasonable guy. I feel bad about kain not getting credit, an you an kain can squad with me an zion an talk man. Just quit calling my corp scrubs and Zion won't sink because I will wear the Zion flag by myself if I have to. Respect, Jesse Jayne
This is on ccp and I'm not done with them about this till its sorted out properly.
Your "players" need to be less sensative about being called names. This is the internet for ***** sake. They can all me all the names they want its doesn't matter to me. However, is it fine for them call me names and then whine about me calling them scrubs. that **** is rich and you know it.
I know your ultra competitive guy its in your nature to be. So explain to me how you of all people can be in a corp that had to exploit and lose matches to make isk/name for yourself in FW. If you needed the isk that bad man I could have sent a few bill from my eve toons. I'm a baller
I am disappoint man. Offer to join impefects is revoked as there is no way we want that "losing is okay" mentality anywhere near us.
Best of luck |
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Posted - 2013.01.23 21:37:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Free Beers wrote:Jesse Jayne wrote:Free Beers wrote:Jesse Jayne wrote:Lol TCD guys, don't waste your time here.
Imperfects sent me personal invites to join their corp an omni told me he would accept into the corp in a heartbeat so no reason to defend zion, we know the truth. Sorry to hear what happened kain I hope it gets worked out. we sure did man. no lie there. I am sorry to see you going down with the ship though man your a good dude. I mean whose left besides you, grimmers, and sota. All things come to and end something might as well get out now. Beers I have squaded with you tiel and others you are good guys, an I don't want argue with you. Remember there is only one person who I want to break their face lol. (you remember the conversation) but me an my corp are working to become better you know all my guys are not elite players but they are damn good guys and my friends. Don't slander our corp for this, your a reasonable guy. I feel bad about kain not getting credit, an you an kain can squad with me an zion an talk man. Just quit calling my corp scrubs and Zion won't sink because I will wear the Zion flag by myself if I have to. Respect, Jesse Jayne This is on ccp and I'm not done with them about this till its sorted out properly. Your "players" need to be less sensative about being called names. This is the internet for ***** sake. They can all me all the names they want its doesn't matter to me. However, is it fine for them call me names and then whine about me calling them scrubs. that **** is rich and you know it. I know your ultra competitive guy its in your nature to be. So explain to me how you of all people can be in a corp that had to exploit and lose matches to make isk/name for yourself in FW. If you needed the isk that bad man I could have sent a few bill from my eve toons. I'm a baller I am disappoint man. Offer to join impefects is revoked as there is no way we want that "losing is okay" mentality anywhere near us. Best of luck Beers - I spoke to some already about how they responded. It'll be more under control - but you don't help things by edging on every chance you get. You're a smart guy - you don't need to belittle yourself by trolling in response to everything. But I understand your mentality of "This is online." And I don't disagree with it. I just wish such mentality would be accompanied with the maturity to not just want to blow everything up. Hella fun to watch you though lol
Any zion tcd player that attempts to down play or minimize what happend(playing nice with me doesn't work either) is just different forms of troll/manipulation. They honestly can't disagree with me so they try to change the focus of the thread (troll schol first year stuff).
Also, the persona of good guy or peace maker does little more then promote said players own self interest in a more pleasant shell.
I'll be here till it gets worked out |
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Posted - 2013.01.23 21:56:00 -
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this is my last week of freedom since i have new contract next week. So need to get my just cause trolling out of my system.
Hey ccp can we put up a poll of who deserves credit? I mean zionshad won't admit he didn't do **** so maybe you can listen to the rest of us that know wtf is up. |
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Posted - 2013.01.24 00:24:00 -
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Here is the check list
-CCP publically recognizes kain and others efforts (no mention of zionshady of course)
-give loot to kain and all those that kain mentioned that help with dust OB over the last few week. (not me i could care less)
-CCP finally approve the reward kain was going to give out of his own pocket.
-kain does video editing for real real let him put something together for CCP
till then ill burn this ***** and take everyone with it. |
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Posted - 2013.01.24 02:43:00 -
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Rayan Storm wrote:If i may say: I haven't commentated anywhere so far, and i just read the whole thread. My final opnion, coming as a tester, not a Zionite::
1. This is a HUGE misunderstanding 2. If Kains is okay, and multiple of the Imps are okay, and Zion is calling for peace, along with all the others caught in between, it may be time to end this. If the sources are over it, shouldn't all the others finally shut up and stop arguing? Everyone with a bit of sense has already asked for peace. 3. Zion's side of the story, svp. 4. It is a game. While there may be some annoying and frustrating occurrences, keep in mind, this is a game. Treat it as such. 5. It has been a long beta. We are irritated. CCP is irritated. Everyone is going nuts, and we are sick of each other. Open beta should give us more fresh air to chill out. Not much longer until the game goes live. Can we hold together?
It was a clerical error. A clinical error. A comprehensional error.Point: Lets all calm down and go home. Please?
And to the Zion members who are arguing and name calling: please stop. You aren't making anything better.
1. not misunderstanding a mistake by ccp 2. kain is pissed the **** off but wont say it because he says "he didn't do it for attention in the first place" yet put in 100 hours over 6 weeks to do it. he didn't sleep the night before the first ob test he was doing so must stuff still. There is no peace we will stomp zion tcd into the ground till zionshad quits the game now. 3. there is no zion's side because ccp gave him credit for something he just put hit name and didn't actually show up to do is job. 4. its a game and when players take their personal time to give to other players they dont deserve to be **** on by ccp 5. thats just noise
Your leader just threw his name in for the csm8 you think he would be honest about this ****. **** no. |
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