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Posted - 2013.01.23 18:06:00 -
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No one but zion can see that and don't post our corporations threads in general chat.
Otherwise I agree. You guys did all the work I don't see why we should reap the benefits. I'll bring this up - the guy at least deserves some huge effin' kudos plastered everywhere. And at least the same rewards zionshad was offered. If not better. |
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Posted - 2013.01.23 18:18:00 -
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Let me shine some light here and hope I don't get in trouble for it.
CCP contacted Shad over this because they simply felt like he could handle things the best. It's not fair - it's not even well thought out. If they really just wanted shad involved they should of joint project it.
Shad's not unreasonable I'm sure we can come to some kind of agreement to appease everyone. It's not really that big of a deal for me as I am it is for most - but for you guys involved it would be. So let me help out. CCP just wanted to do something cool and just went about it wrong - AGAIN.
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Posted - 2013.01.23 18:23:00 -
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SoLJae wrote:CCP made a decision to work with Shad and Zion TCD in general. It's childish to presume that Zion Shad doesn't deserve to act upon what CCP offered him and frankly, if the Imperfects learned how to do things the Zion TCD way, they might earn a little more respect and dignity from the community.
You and your members should show a little class and maturity once in a while and one day you might be able to participate in such events yourselves.
You're right - but this is still unjustified. Not all the imperfects are trolling devils like Zitro. Kain deserves credit. |
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Posted - 2013.01.23 18:26:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:SoLJae wrote:CCP made a decision to work with Shad and Zion TCD in general. It's childish to presume that Zion Shad doesn't deserve to act upon what CCP offered him and frankly, if the Imperfects learned how to do things the Zion TCD way, they might earn a little more respect and dignity from the community.
You and your members should show a little class and maturity once in a while and one day you might be able to participate in such events yourselves.
**** You. kain has done all the work here and already has set up streamers on both sides the only reason no one saw them was closed beta. Trying to defend your **** leader for taking credit for someone elses work is rich He really didn't mean it that way. He was just pointing out that your over-all reputation probably played a factor in there decision. But let's be honest - CCP's track record for decision making is terrible. lol |
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Posted - 2013.01.23 18:38:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Free Beers wrote:SoLJae wrote:CCP made a decision to work with Shad and Zion TCD in general. It's childish to presume that Zion Shad doesn't deserve to act upon what CCP offered him and frankly, if the Imperfects learned how to do things the Zion TCD way, they might earn a little more respect and dignity from the community.
You and your members should show a little class and maturity once in a while and one day you might be able to participate in such events yourselves.
**** You. kain has done all the work here and already has set up streamers on both sides the only reason no one saw them was closed beta. Trying to defend your **** leader for taking credit for someone elses work is rich He really didn't mean it that way. He was just pointing out that your over-all reputation probably played a factor in there decision. But let's be honest - CCP's track record for decision making is terrible. lol time to change your tag sota you dont belong with zion tcd. All the other good players are gone best get on your way too. no reason to go down with the ship. This was a kain thing not an IMPS things. Placing any blame on the tag he carries is utter bullshit. You really want a corp as big as Zion to not have any skilled players to help guide them? Zions goals and aims suit me for now - they're both competitive and a community by nature. We've already plugged up the holes from that recent leak. You'll notice some threads bout Zion not needing to squad to own ;)
Really, really miss Polish Hammer though :(
We'll get this mess straighten out. Kain will get his credit or we'll die trying. I've been following his posts since he started organizing them - so I know for a fact this is truly BS. |
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Posted - 2013.01.23 19:00:00 -
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DEADPOOL5241 wrote:Scoot Medic wrote:Free Beers wrote:SoLJae wrote:CCP made a decision to work with Shad and Zion TCD in general. It's childish to presume that Zion Shad doesn't deserve to act upon what CCP offered him and frankly, if the Imperfects learned how to do things the Zion TCD way, they might earn a little more respect and dignity from the community.
You and your members should show a little class and maturity once in a while and one day you might be able to participate in such events yourselves.
**** You. kain has done all the work here and already has set up streamers on both sides the only reason no one saw them was closed beta. Trying to defend your **** leader for taking credit for someone elses work is rich I didn't agree with him, but now I see where hes coming from when he said you had little maturity and class. This could be easily sorted out by talking to ZionShad and not releasing it to a forum of players just to try make Shad look bad. Off topic: Hey, that rhymed. Actually this was a much needed publicly shown discussion, as much as you want this to remain in the shadows of New Eden. I understand why you didn't want to have this dirty laundry about your leader shown around, but we as players all make mistakes even the mighty Zion is not perfect. I'm sort of confused by this post. Other then not showing up for the event - what did Zionshad do wrong? Not immediately go running to the imperfects about the deal CCP should of offered themselves? |
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Posted - 2013.01.23 19:11:00 -
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Guys - I know some Zion members are here defending Shad - forgive 'em. This thread is coming off wrong in all directions. We of ZionTCD aren't happy about this any more then the imperfects are. This doesn't just undermine the Imperfects and Kain - it undermines us all. Who will make the next event if CCP will give credit and reward to someone else?
We're also still caught up we were even offered an event. We're like giggling children sometimes when handed candy with DUST logos :D
Know that ZionTCD does support you Kain and we're sorry for all this. |
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Posted - 2013.01.23 19:20:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:EternalRMG wrote:I bet that shad will give special thanks to him it doesnt matter if he is the one who hosts the streams or not he has and will have recognition among our community (shad is a good guy and we could convinve him to give special thanks to him on the strean ) special thanks? for what? Zionshad: "hey kain thanks for letting me put my name on everything you already did so i can try and run for csm", "PS kain if you ever need a corp to lose a battle (not that we can win anyways) let us know ill give you a reasonable rate"
SoTa PoP wrote:Guys - I know some Zion members are here defending Shad - forgive 'em. This thread is coming off wrong in all directions. We of ZionTCD aren't happy about this any more then the imperfects are. This doesn't just undermine the Imperfects and Kain - it undermines us all. Who will make the next event if CCP will give credit and reward to someone else?
We're also still caught up we were even offered an event. We're like giggling children sometimes when handed candy with DUST logos :D
Know that ZionTCD does support you Kain and we're sorry for all this.
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Posted - 2013.01.23 19:32:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:EternalRMG wrote:No One is Perfect everyone makes mistakes ccp or shad doesnt matter, fighting wont make it change CCP is the one and only one who decides who will be the one making those streams
they might have a lots of reasons that we dont know about and were not taking into consideration You need all the variables to solve the equation but we havent all of them so nothing we say is actually right or not right I was actually planning on carrying over the streaming from the Dust For Kids stuff to this, but I hadn't gotten in touch with Jenza about it yet. Streams will be happening on Saturday and they will be awesome and they will make people pay attention to this game. I didn't run the OB stuff by myself. Mobius came up with the idea to create a Orbital Bombardment centered channel. I just ended up being the one who made it and it snowballed from there. That became Dust OB and then OB events followed. Tons have people have helped me keep it going along the way (shout out to Jaiden, Daniel, Corvo, Hans, Beers, D3LTA Superman, the list goes on).I wanted to pass it off to the community because I knew my corp tag could get in the way of making this something even bigger and last for years down the road. The EVE/Dust connection is what sells this game! Everyone in this Beta has worked hard to make this game work and better. From the wall of text posters to the QQ'ers. As beta testers we have put countless hours testing the game to help make it what it is today and what it will be in the future. That is ours to own, but also make us responsible for breaking whatever code when can, exploit any weapon possible 'till its fix, and presenting and pimping this game to the wider community outside the beta to ensure it's success. It doesn't matter how we get down that path. The only thing is at the end of the day this game kicks the **** out of every other FPS and makes a real impact on New Eden that drives people to our ranks as Dusters. SoTa PoP wrote: Know that ZionTCD does support you Kain and we're sorry for all this. I appreciate that. I really do. Shad's be open with me from the get go about the whole thing. It's a kittened up situation. I don't care what anyone says about the imperfect tag. I don't judge a person by the color of there skin or the corp tag they wear. You've done more then 90% of everyone here whose been logging on daily to give CCP all the feed back they could desire.
As a person who only contributes in very specific areas and watches over all - I think it's fair we step up for you as you have for DUST514. |
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Posted - 2013.01.23 19:53:00 -
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We of ZionTCD have done nothing wrong here. Again, I apologize for our members abrupt and seemingly offensive comments towards this topic. It's rude considering the agenda here is a noble one.
So again - free beers, god I want a beer... - forgive my people. We may not need to love one another but I don't want this thread to devolve into too much trolling. This thread should champion Kain. |
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Free Beers wrote:SoLJae wrote:Kain Spero wrote:2-Ton Twenty-One wrote:Twinkletoes Tittybottoms wrote:Its it just me or is CCP getting a lot of flak from the community. First it was the SP cap and now this. Not a very good open beta huh? I feel differently about this, I feel this in a way is in a way part of the beta test. CCP DEV's & GM's overstepped their bounds. Now we should focus on using this controversy to accomplish something long term. Clearly Dust needs CCP's internal affairs providing more oversight as they may as of yet not even be mandated to watch Dust as well as EVE. 2-Ton Twenty, I don't think this is an IA situation. I really hope that it's just an honest mistake. For the Eve people around, you'll understand that this situation is a grain of sand compared to the BoB T2 BPO fiasco or the s*** that lead to Burn Jita. I really appreciate the support, but I don't think this really is an Internal Affairs level issue. Kain, I'm starting to believe that you and Deadpool are the ONLY sane and rational voices in the Imperfects! You both should join Zion TCD. We're more your style...the Imps are beneath you. All your good players left why would elite players want to play with scrubs. This game is about corp battles and all you guys do is get pub stomped and lose/throw corp battles. How could even a half way decent gamer say "yeah zion tcd the are bad at pubs, bad at corp battles, yup thats for me" let me tell the you the real here zionshad and your little scrubby corp is the big joke in eve. Just be glad he didn' tmake you all put zion in your name. I'd shoot myself first before I put a religious title in my name. :P
And I thought the point of this thread was you wanting to help your friend/corpmate out. When did this devolve into more scrub talks. There's enough of that in... every other thread?
And I take offense you say all our good players left. :( |
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Jesse Jayne wrote:Free Beers wrote:Jesse Jayne wrote:Lol TCD guys, don't waste your time here.
Imperfects sent me personal invites to join their corp an omni told me he would accept into the corp in a heartbeat so no reason to defend zion, we know the truth. Sorry to hear what happened kain I hope it gets worked out. we sure did man. no lie there. I am sorry to see you going down with the ship though man your a good dude. I mean whose left besides you, grimmers, and sota. All things come to and end something might as well get out now. Beers I have squaded with you tiel and others you are good guys, an I don't want argue with you. Remember there is only one person who I want to break their face lol. (you remember the conversation) but me an my corp are working to become better you know all my guys are not elite players but they are damn good guys and my friends. Don't slander our corp for this, your a reasonable guy. I feel bad about kain not getting credit, an you an kain can squad with me an zion an talk man. Just quit calling my corp scrubs and Zion won't sink because I will wear the Zion flag by myself if I have to. Respect, Jesse Jayne What fun would Zion be if everyone was as good as the imperfects? Guiding rookies and helping them learn from watching first hand - it's a pretty cool way to pass time.
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Posted - 2013.01.23 21:27:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:Jesse Jayne wrote:Free Beers wrote:Jesse Jayne wrote:Lol TCD guys, don't waste your time here.
Imperfects sent me personal invites to join their corp an omni told me he would accept into the corp in a heartbeat so no reason to defend zion, we know the truth. Sorry to hear what happened kain I hope it gets worked out. we sure did man. no lie there. I am sorry to see you going down with the ship though man your a good dude. I mean whose left besides you, grimmers, and sota. All things come to and end something might as well get out now. Beers I have squaded with you tiel and others you are good guys, an I don't want argue with you. Remember there is only one person who I want to break their face lol. (you remember the conversation) but me an my corp are working to become better you know all my guys are not elite players but they are damn good guys and my friends. Don't slander our corp for this, your a reasonable guy. I feel bad about kain not getting credit, an you an kain can squad with me an zion an talk man. Just quit calling my corp scrubs and Zion won't sink because I will wear the Zion flag by myself if I have to. Respect, Jesse Jayne This is on ccp and I'm not done with them about this till its sorted out properly. Your "players" need to be less sensative about being called names. This is the internet for ***** sake. They can all me all the names they want its doesn't matter to me. However, is it fine for them call me names and then whine about me calling them scrubs. that **** is rich and you know it. I know your ultra competitive guy its in your nature to be. So explain to me how you of all people can be in a corp that had to exploit and lose matches to make isk/name for yourself in FW. If you needed the isk that bad man I could have sent a few bill from my eve toons. I'm a baller I am disappoint man. Offer to join impefects is revoked as there is no way we want that "losing is okay" mentality anywhere near us. Best of luck Beers - I spoke to some already about how they responded. It'll be more under control - but you don't help things by edging on every chance you get. You're a smart guy - you don't need to belittle yourself by trolling in response to everything.
But I understand your mentality of "This is online." And I don't disagree with it. I just wish such mentality would be accompanied with the maturity to not just want to blow everything up.
Hella fun to watch you though lol |
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Posted - 2013.01.23 21:41:00 -
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I really don't know where you get these ideas. I looked through this entire thread - Couldn't find a single post of a ZionTCD member saying, "Kains screwed stfu gg." But plenty saying he unfairly got labelled because his corp can't control there trolls.
But I'm more then happy to debate anything right now as long as it keeps this thread alive.
I also love milk duds in my pop corn. |
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Posted - 2013.01.23 21:49:00 -
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DEADPOOL5241 wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:I really don't know where you get these ideas. I looked through this entire thread - Couldn't find a single post of a ZionTCD member saying, "Kains screwed stfu gg." But plenty saying he unfairly got labelled because his corp can't control there trolls.
But I'm more then happy to debate anything right now as long as it keeps this thread alive.
I also love milk duds in my pop corn. Seriously.. you are going to feed each other now.. Ah how cute, two trolls feeding each other under the Troll Bridge.. Just stop the madness, stop posting and he stops posting.. how fraking hard is it. Its been real, its been fun but this has not been real fun. You should read zitro's book. It unlocks troll patience V. |
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Posted - 2013.01.23 23:45:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:soooo.... when will zion be handing us our 200,000,000isk to show he's sorry? You mean when will Zion give Kain 200,000,000 ISK. |
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Posted - 2013.01.23 23:57:00 -
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To be honest - he'll probably receive what they're offering Shad. Which is a pile of horse crap known as mouse pads.
Who knew those still existed? |
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Free Beers wrote:Here is the check list
-CCP publically recognizes kain and others efforts (no mention of zionshady of course)
-give loot to kain and all those that kain mentioned that help with dust OB over the last few week. (not me i could care less)
-CCP finally approve the reward kain was going to give out of his own pocket.
-kain does video editing for real real let him put something together for CCP
till then ill burn this ***** and take everyone with it. You know - today I've really tried to be amicable but the level of dumb here is getting outta hand. Your level of butt hurt about ZionShad is bringing new levels of QQ I never thought possible. He really did NOTHING to you guys. Yet you call him out like he's the devil every chance you get.
If this thread is about being fair then maybe you should be fair yourself before asking CCP to try it out. |
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Daxos Cavaletto wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Free Beers wrote:Here is the check list
-CCP publically recognizes kain and others efforts (no mention of zionshady of course)
-give loot to kain and all those that kain mentioned that help with dust OB over the last few week. (not me i could care less)
-CCP finally approve the reward kain was going to give out of his own pocket.
-kain does video editing for real real let him put something together for CCP
till then ill burn this ***** and take everyone with it. You know - today I've really tried to be amicable but the level of dumb here is getting outta hand. Your level of butt hurt about ZionShad is bringing new levels of QQ I never thought possible. He really did NOTHING to you guys. Yet you call him out like he's the devil every chance you get. If this thread is about being fair then maybe you should be fair yourself before asking CCP to try it out. chill sota I ran out of **** to talk about. ttt is lame thing to put in here. maybe you could explain to use why all your good players left. You know give us something to chat about. I am sure its interesting and will keep the community post so this thread gets seen. also still waiting on zionshad himself to post and give credit to kain. Yea wondering where he is too.
I can give a small story on it that shouldn't get me in trouble. We had a few individuals who very active and gained a lot of support - when they were denied more power they rampage QQ rage quit.
People just tend to follow who they like to play with - and the ones that left even I admit were good guys. We'll miss 'em, but they wanted to do something other then the good guy image of Zion. Nothin' wrong with that - cept for 2 of them who are now **** listed.
How's Impswarm? I see 'em all the time, they're aren't nearly at the normal imperfects level. Especially when one of our logi has a higher KDR then them with an AR. Are there no standards to join? What if they don't meet qualifications eventually and you realize they suck? |
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Posted - 2013.01.24 23:41:00 -
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Rayan Storm wrote:Oh vey....ENOUGH ALREADY you revived this thread to say enough already? lmao
Died a while ago - it was on page 3 I believe. |
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