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Sylvana Nightwind
Expert Intervention Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2013.01.24 03:14:00 -
[151] - Quote
Ok now read the whole thread. What I don't get is why this free beers guy is posting for someone else saying that someone else is pissed off? :D Hilarity is huge in this one. |
Zion Shad
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
1620
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Posted - 2013.01.24 03:16:00 -
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I just looked at my Skype and saw this
[1/23/13 9:05:24 AM] Kane Spero: I think we may be gearing up the tournament for the 1st weekend in February. Hopefully it will be combined with the charity tourney. That said we have some other people in corp that could stream if you want something to happen Saturday. [1/23/13 9:06:43 AM] Kane Spero: I'll try to be available if I can though [1/23/13 9:15:13 AM] Kane Spero: Hmmmm..... Dude combine it with the OB event this weekend [1/23/13 9:53:04 AM] Kane Spero: I'm surprised Frame didn't try to get in touch with me :-/
I was at work and didn't see tell now. Wish it was sooner to try and set it right
I replied and stated the same thing here. |
Anticitizen2501
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
63
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Posted - 2013.01.24 03:18:00 -
[153] - Quote
Can't handle all that free beer.
Sylvana Nightwind wrote:Ok now read the whole thread. What I don't get is why this free beers guy is posting for someone else saying that someone else is pissed off? :D Hilarity is huge in this one.
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Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
931
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Posted - 2013.01.24 03:20:00 -
[154] - Quote
**** move, CCP. What are you thinking? |
Rayan Storm
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
358
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Posted - 2013.01.24 03:43:00 -
[155] - Quote
So another epic fail on over eager trolls part, another win for zion! +1 Yall! |
Kain Spero
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
906
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Posted - 2013.01.24 03:51:00 -
[156] - Quote
Honestly, Shad, I wasn't paying attention to the gravity of what you were telling me. I was too focused on my charity stream and then work this morning. I'll take any Dust event or happening and try to combine it with other things folks are doing in the community to focus people and make the end event even bigger.
I'm glad you had time announce your candidacy for CSM before stopping by this thread or getting in touch with me directly.
Do not confuse my pleasantness with being okay. I am not okay right now. I'm glad you thought enough of me to offer me a t-shirt and a mouse pad out of your swag pile. |
Zion Shad
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
1620
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Posted - 2013.01.24 04:14:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Honestly, Shad, I wasn't paying attention to the gravity of what you were telling me. I was too focused on my charity stream and then work this morning. I'll take any Dust event or happening and try to combine it with other things folks are doing in the community to focus people and make the end event even bigger.
I'm glad you had time announce your candidacy for CSM before stopping by this thread or getting in touch with me directly.
Do not confuse my pleasantness with being okay. I am not okay right now. I'm glad you thought enough of me to offer me a t-shirt and a mouse pad out of your swag pile.
I replied here bro. Trying to get this thread squashed
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=52811&find=unread |
Caeli SineDeo
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
294
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Posted - 2013.01.24 04:18:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:My, my what has happen here? The mail said something like "We at CCP have been observing you guys doing corporation battles with Imperfects and others... And thats it as far as Imp goes. The e-mail was NOT related to the event Kain has put together and we have supported. It was more for my work in FW with Villore Accords LINK HEREBut because he reached out to me for support (despite our clash of Corps) I wanted to return the fav. From Skype: [1/22/13 9:09:12 PM] Kane Spero: Hey Shad what's up? [1/22/13 9:15:48 PM] ZionShad: on with your chick kim and david ried on podside [1/22/13 9:16:20 PM] ZionShad: Hey do you guys have anyone that can record Game footage? [1/22/13 9:17:59 PM] Kane Spero: check it: www.twitch.tv/kain_spero ;) [1/22/13 9:19:04 PM] ZionShad: did you guys get an CCP email? [1/22/13 9:19:50 PM] Kane Spero: ? [1/22/13 9:20:15 PM] ZionShad: Guess not [1/22/13 9:20:30 PM] ZionShad: Id like to bring you in a project [1/22/13 9:21:44 PM] Kane Spero: What's up? I shard the info with him and... [1/22/13 9:26:12 PM] Kane Spero: Sounds like an awesome thing [1/22/13 9:28:52 PM] ZionShad: Im wanting to get it together this sat [1/22/13 9:29:18 PM] ZionShad: I can get you a T and Pad and one other [1/22/13 9:29:41 PM] ZionShad: but bring whoever you want to battle for fun [1/22/13 9:30:11 PM] ZionShad: Just get back to me soon [1/22/13 9:34:03 PM] Kane Spero: This Saturday will be no for me [1/22/13 9:34:18 PM] Kane Spero: I'm going to be out and about with the wife [1/22/13 9:34:40 PM] ZionShad: Ahh KK man [1/22/13 9:34:43 PM] ZionShad: ;) I had hope he shared the info with the rest of Imp to give them a chance to partake. It would look like Kain has broke my trust and that Beer's has broke the trust of Kain by making this post. I wish I could share the mail with all of you,but it is against the rules to share personal mail from CCP publicly. Sorry if Imp got their feelings hurt.
Wow Zion Shad this is the most bull$hit answer ever. You are the biggest scum ever you are bottom feeder. I am sorry I am not even happy to see that you are a leader of corp that helps new player.
First off you know Kain Spero has been the gaint middle cog in the whole thing that runs the Dust OB event. Second you know that Kain had in plans and has talked about it openly to people that he is trying to work out a streaming event and pay for prizes out of his own pocket.
He was waiting for CCPs conformation on this. He had sent multiple messages to CCP trying to get the okay for this. Knowing this is going to be a big way for you to gain some fame for CSM. Instead of telling CCP no you should contact Kain Spero and work with him because these are things he has been working with the community on already, you send them back a reply saying yes I will accept this. Then send Kain Spero saying you will give him a tee-shirt and a mouse pad.
Zion sorry but you put your CSM stuff before community members here and people who have tried to give you the chance to work with them.
You did not even take time to do a propper response.
Just bull$hit Zion
And CCP what the H3ll. You have lost tons of respect here today. Might mean emailing the correct people and telling them this is a big screw up on community/dev relashionship workings.
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Necandi Brasil
Conspiratus Immortalis
245
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Posted - 2013.01.24 04:23:00 -
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So ... you guys know this is a game , right ? I'm sorry, I can't see a point here... Putting blames at each other, cursing, people flaming ... I wonder what the new guys in the forums are thinking of us right now ( And you guys all know ... newbies are ALL that matter, they will keep this game alive)
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howard sanchez
Conspiratus Immortalis
448
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Posted - 2013.01.24 04:39:00 -
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OMG! What mad forum drama is this?!
For the record: posting in epic corporate (Zion/Imperfects/CCP) drama-tsunamic threadnaught.
Where's the interweb paperazzi? I wanna see this on Massively by sun-up!
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CCP Cmdr Wang
C C P C C P Alliance
1876
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Posted - 2013.01.24 05:04:00 -
[161] - Quote
I have to say I'm a little surprised by all the drama that arose from this. This isn't the first time we've contacted the player community to help promote DUST and it certainly will not be the last.
We have plans to contact other CEOs of DUST corps to promote dust in other ways, we just don't have the manpower to process dozens of events all at the same time, and so we will need to pace this out over weeks. It just so happens that Zion was the first CEO we contacted. So fear not, we have plans for other leaders of DUST corporations and get others involved.
And please, don't player hate. |
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Kain Spero
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
906
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Posted - 2013.01.24 05:08:00 -
[162] - Quote
I appreciate the reply Cmdr Wang. I remember when you stopped by the "Dust OB" channel to listen in on what was going on. It really helped create a good bit of buzz to get the ball rolling.
I guess the main reason I'm upset with the situation was because the request for the event I filed to CCP and is under review is almost exactly the same as what was requested of Zion Shad.
I'll post that mail shortly for clarity.
Here is the mail I sent in (it is long):
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URGENT: Question Regarding Prizes for Saturday Mass Event on 1/19/2012
Dear Support,
GM Pyro asked me to forward my question here regarding prizes that I was considering using for the Mass Orbital Bombardment Event/Test.
TLDR: Can I use a Gurista Saga PSN voucher (or EU one) for a contest tied to the the Mass Orbital Test detailed below.
Info about the event can be found here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=51247&find=unread , which is a follow up to this event: http://evenews24.com/2013/01/12/live-event-dust-514-eve-online-mass-orbital-strike-fest/
I used ISK prizes to reward those who got the first confirmed kills from Orbital Bombardment in the first Orbital event. See the following:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=461039#post461039
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2456406#post2456406
The contest will be for the best recorded footage of the event and the only requirement for entry is submission of a recording of the event. I am working with a friend of mine who programs an ips/ids device, adds vulnerability detection and maintains build systems for IBM to create a straightforward system for players to get me the footage. Once I receive the entries I will review them and pick the best EVE side footage and Dust side footage.
Currently the prizes include a PLEX awarded to the best EVE side video and 250 million ISK to best Dust side video. For the prize post see the following: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=473664#post473664
Since there is currently no way to transfer money from EvE to dust I was considering using a PSN Voucher for the Gurista saga as a prize (and hopefully get a EU Dust PSN voucher donated to me from an EU player, so I could use it incase the contest winner is from EU).
The purpose of the contest is to increase participation and interest in the event and also create a pool of videos that can then be edited together and use to advertise future community Orbital Bombardment events. I would also like to make this footage available to CCP for internal and potential promotional use if there is any interest there.
Also, If CCP Frame or CCP Nullarbor would like to know the Amarr/Minmatar system pick (ZionShad is picking the Gallente/Caldari one) ahead of time on the off chance dedicating a node is necessary please let me know. I'm currently working with Hans Jagerblitzen to narrow the pick down to three systems for me to then pick one from.
Thank you for your time reviewing this issue and all of there work you guys have put into this game. I've been having a blast.
Sincerely,
Kain Spero
Eve Side: Kane Spero |
Sgt Kirk
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
350
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Posted - 2013.01.24 05:11:00 -
[163] - Quote
Yes quite Mr. Wang. This whole thing was ridiculous, especially the immature behavior that filled the atmosphere. I could have sworn I was in the YouTube comment section of a Call of Duty video. |
Nova Assassin
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.01.24 05:12:00 -
[164] - Quote
CCP Cmdr Wang wrote:I have to say I'm a little surprised by all the drama that arose from this. This isn't the first time we've contacted the player community to help promote DUST and it certainly will not be the last.
We have plans to contact other CEOs of DUST corps to promote dust in other ways, we just don't have the manpower to process dozens of events all at the same time, and so we will need to pace this out over weeks. It just so happens that Zion was the first CEO we contacted. So fear not, we have plans for other leaders of DUST corporations and get others involved.
And please, don't player hate.
The question is, why did you contact Zion and ask him to work on a project Kain was already working on? Don't try and brush this off as "we were just contacting CEO's to promote DUST". If that was the case then why couldn't you just have given shad something else to do? Yes Zion SHOULD have contacted Kain before accepting, but you're to blame CCP for asking him to do Kain's job.
He'd already asked you several times if this was ok. Why would you blatantly rip-off his project and give it to someone else and then act surprised when people are mad? |
Sylvana Nightwind
Expert Intervention Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2013.01.24 05:13:00 -
[165] - Quote
Well that's the end of yet another "Space opera" or more like "Space drama" thread. I actually wonder why nobody raged why SyNergy was first interviewed in CEO spotlight. THAT WAS AN OUTRAGE DUDE.
Nova Assassin wrote: The question is, why did you contact Zion and ask him to work on a project Kain was already working on?
How you know they contacted them BECAUSE OF THAT SPECIFIC EVENT? OUTRAGE! |
Nova Assassin
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.01.24 05:20:00 -
[166] - Quote
Sylvana Nightwind wrote:Well that's the end of yet another "Space opera" or more like "Space drama" thread. I actually wonder why nobody raged why SyNergy was first interviewed in CEO spotlight. THAT WAS AN OUTRAGE DUDE. Nova Assassin wrote: The question is, why did you contact Zion and ask him to work on a project Kain was already working on?
How you know they contacted them BECAUSE OF THAT SPECIFIC EVENT? OUTRAGE!
Your last line is stupid and very unclear. Please re write it so I can respond in an appropriate manner. I will however try my best to understand it.
CCP asked Zion to be in charge of a project almost exactly the same as the one Kain sent to CCP, asking them if he was allowed to do it. I was saying, why would you ask Zion to do it instead of Kain, when it's simple to give Zion something else to work on and let Kain do something he's already put hours into. |
Zion Shad
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
1620
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Posted - 2013.01.24 05:20:00 -
[167] - Quote
Nova Assassin wrote:CCP Cmdr Wang wrote:I have to say I'm a little surprised by all the drama that arose from this. This isn't the first time we've contacted the player community to help promote DUST and it certainly will not be the last.
We have plans to contact other CEOs of DUST corps to promote dust in other ways, we just don't have the manpower to process dozens of events all at the same time, and so we will need to pace this out over weeks. It just so happens that Zion was the first CEO we contacted. So fear not, we have plans for other leaders of DUST corporations and get others involved.
And please, don't player hate. The question is, why did you contact Zion and ask him to work on a project Kain was already working on? Don't try and brush this off as "we were just contacting CEO's to promote DUST". If that was the case then why couldn't you just have given shad something else to do? Yes Zion SHOULD have contacted Kain before accepting, but you're to blame CCP for asking him to do Kain's job. He'd already asked you several times if this was ok. Why would you blatantly rip-off his project and give it to someone else and then act surprised when people are mad?
LOL It had nothing to do with Kains project. What you are saying is that from here on out anytime a Capsuleer shoots an orbital on a DUST Merc it is all because of Kains events. I was simply asked to record one battle with OB support. That was it. |
Dusty Mokong
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
61
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Posted - 2013.01.24 05:20:00 -
[168] - Quote
Just my 2 iskies.
I think CCP contacted Shad due to the fact that ZionTCD has already been actively taking contracts with Eve Corps to take Systems/Planets for the different factions. It just so happened that Shad thought that maybe Kain would like to help out which is why he contacted him.
And this is in no way to downplay Kain's huge role in garnering attention and support for his events. I believe both events by Kain & Shad, while related, are actually unique agendas for CCP and that should both equally be given their undivided attention.
As Cmdr Wang mentioned, they will also contact Kain & the Imperfects and it just so happened that Shad was contacted first. |
Nova Assassin
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.01.24 05:28:00 -
[169] - Quote
Zion Shad wrote:Nova Assassin wrote:CCP Cmdr Wang wrote:I have to say I'm a little surprised by all the drama that arose from this. This isn't the first time we've contacted the player community to help promote DUST and it certainly will not be the last.
We have plans to contact other CEOs of DUST corps to promote dust in other ways, we just don't have the manpower to process dozens of events all at the same time, and so we will need to pace this out over weeks. It just so happens that Zion was the first CEO we contacted. So fear not, we have plans for other leaders of DUST corporations and get others involved.
And please, don't player hate. The question is, why did you contact Zion and ask him to work on a project Kain was already working on? Don't try and brush this off as "we were just contacting CEO's to promote DUST". If that was the case then why couldn't you just have given shad something else to do? Yes Zion SHOULD have contacted Kain before accepting, but you're to blame CCP for asking him to do Kain's job. He'd already asked you several times if this was ok. Why would you blatantly rip-off his project and give it to someone else and then act surprised when people are mad? LOL It had nothing to do with Kains project. What you are saying is that from here on out anytime a Capsuleer shoots an orbital on a DUST Merc it is all because of Kains events. I was simply asked to record one battle with OB support. That was it.
You know very well Kain put hours of hard work into this. CCP asked you to do things very similar to what he asked them if he was allowed to do. I wasn't blaming you, I was saying its CCP's fault for taking Kain's ideas (which are in the emails he sent) and asking someone else to do it, without even a heads up to him.
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Sylvana Nightwind
Expert Intervention Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2013.01.24 05:33:00 -
[170] - Quote
Nova Assassin wrote:The question is, why did you contact Zion and ask him to work on a project Kain was already working on? You assume this is directly related to the event that imperfects were doing and not to the overall community activity in the bloody game. Tunnelvision. Drop it. Look at the bigger picture maybe? Players play game. Community team covers their activity. Not always individual events all the time. If they want to make video to highlight community and include major corps in it whats the problem with that? |
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Dusty Mokong
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
61
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Posted - 2013.01.24 05:33:00 -
[171] - Quote
If we all just take a step back and look at the big picture.
CCP wants to create promotional material to highlight Eve & Dust514 interaction.
Think about it. Will there be enough material for CCP to use if only one group (Imperfects or ZionTCD) were to submit their videos ? NO!
CCP already knew that Kain & company are on it. They wanted to gather more, which is why they started contacting other groups, starting with Shad & ZionTCD.
There is no conspiracy or cover up here. No thunder being stolen.
Relax people.
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Caeli SineDeo
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
294
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Posted - 2013.01.24 05:34:00 -
[172] - Quote
CCP Cmdr Wang wrote:I have to say I'm a little surprised by all the drama that arose from this. This isn't the first time we've contacted the player community to help promote DUST and it certainly will not be the last.
We have plans to contact other CEOs of DUST corps to promote dust in other ways, we just don't have the manpower to process dozens of events all at the same time, and so we will need to pace this out over weeks. It just so happens that Zion was the first CEO we contacted. So fear not, we have plans for other leaders of DUST corporations and get others involved.
And please, don't player hate.
Cmdr Wang I think alot of us are disappointed because we know this was something Kain was working very hard on himself and has tried to contact CCP to make sure his rewards where not breaking any rules.
Maybe it was lack of communication amongst your team or not realizing how important this event was to Kain. It was his pet project and he has worked very hard on it. This is really what has gotten us unhappy. We IMPPs being around kain knew how much time he had put into his event. And the offer you guys have given to ZionTCD really overlapped ontop of Kain's event. Causing us to feel as if you really did not care about Kain's efforts.
So ya we are all a little mad. It happens when you have a community this passionate. |
Zion Shad
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
1620
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Posted - 2013.01.24 05:35:00 -
[173] - Quote
Never knew what Kain sent that mail to CCP. Now it brings me back to working together. That way there is communication, but its over now.
Good Luck on your events. This post is all trolled out so I'll take my leave from it.
Night all |
Kain Spero
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
906
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Posted - 2013.01.24 05:36:00 -
[174] - Quote
Dusty Mokong wrote:ZionTCD has already been actively taking contracts with Eve Corps to take Systems/Planets
If by taking System/Planets you mean intentionally exploiting the system so that Zion TCD can flip systems without any fighting due to the current unfinished nature of the Faction Warfare system then I guess you are right. Zion TCD doesn't want good fights they want to game the system. Mentality's like this will kill the game. No one will play a fps where the main goal is to duck battles and not actually fight.
We've been approached by pilots from several organizations to flip systems, but we lay it straight to them that there is no way to guarantee that we can attack because folks can just not accept the contract and we REFUSE to exploit the system in order to flip systems.
Shad, you try to say you are the "good guy", but there is no such thing in New Eden. You've come to the wrong universe to make that sale. |
Nova Assassin
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.01.24 05:39:00 -
[175] - Quote
Zion Shad wrote:Never knew what Kain sent that mail to CCP. Now it brings me back to working together. That way there is communication, but its over now.
Good Luck on your events this post is all trolled out. So I'll take my leave from it.
Night all That's what I was trying to say. It's not your fault if CCP asks you to do something hat Kain already asked to do. It's CCP's fault for completely stuffing up. If they want to promote DUST, they could have given you a different project to work on.
It's also CCP's fault for not even contacting Kain, so you two could work this out in private. If that had been done, this thread wouldn't even exist. |
Sylvana Nightwind
Expert Intervention Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2013.01.24 05:42:00 -
[176] - Quote
Hmmm that petition was sent 5 days ago, I once waited for 7 days for my petition to get answer.
Why not send email directly to these community guys or some other ccp if you want urgent answer? |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2013.01.24 05:42:00 -
[177] - Quote
The Dramas. This must be.....EVE. |
Dusty Mokong
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
61
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Posted - 2013.01.24 05:44:00 -
[178] - Quote
Kain Spero wrote:
If by taking System/Planets you mean intentionally exploiting the system so that Zion TCD can flip systems without any fighting due to the current unfinished nature of the Faction Warfare system then I guess you are right. Zion TCD doesn't want good fights they want to game the system. Mentality's like this will kill the game. No one will play a fps where the main goal is to duck battles and not actually fight.
Unfortunately, that much is true about FW being broken as it is. Shad just wanted to force CCPs hand to fix this as soon as possible. One way of doing this is to actually take advantage of it by contacting Eve Corps to play their part in it. It might not be the best way to do it but it seems to be the most effective in the shortest amount of time.
That being said, it doesn't change the fact that it put ZionTCD in the crosshairs when it comes to Eve & Dust interaction. Which is what CCP is currently looking for. |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2013.01.24 05:49:00 -
[179] - Quote
Dusty Mokong wrote:Kain Spero wrote:
If by taking System/Planets you mean intentionally exploiting the system so that Zion TCD can flip systems without any fighting due to the current unfinished nature of the Faction Warfare system then I guess you are right. Zion TCD doesn't want good fights they want to game the system. Mentality's like this will kill the game. No one will play a fps where the main goal is to duck battles and not actually fight.
Unfortunately, that much is true about FW being broken as it is. Shad just wanted to force CCPs hand to fix this as soon as possible.
If thats what you want to call it, suurrrrrrrreeeee |
Dusty Mokong
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
61
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Posted - 2013.01.24 05:53:00 -
[180] - Quote
Paran Tadec wrote:Dusty Mokong wrote:Kain Spero wrote:
If by taking System/Planets you mean intentionally exploiting the system so that Zion TCD can flip systems without any fighting due to the current unfinished nature of the Faction Warfare system then I guess you are right. Zion TCD doesn't want good fights they want to game the system. Mentality's like this will kill the game. No one will play a fps where the main goal is to duck battles and not actually fight.
Unfortunately, that much is true about FW being broken as it is. Shad just wanted to force CCPs hand to fix this as soon as possible. If thats what you want to call it, suurrrrrrrreeeee
Lol, ain't it a good Merc philosophy: If you're gonna do something good, might as well get something out of it. haha
btw, you left out something I said in your quote.
Dusty Mokong wrote:
Unfortunately, that much is true about FW being broken as it is. Shad just wanted to force CCPs hand to fix this as soon as possible. One way of doing this is to actually take advantage of it by contacting Eve Corps to play their part in it. It might not be the best way to do it but it seems to be the most effective in the shortest amount of time.
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