No, we don't all agree that it's a terrible thing. Don't assume your opinions are shared by all.

I'm sure we can all agree that sitting next to a supply depot spamming mass drivers and getting triple kills is quite unacceptable.

What can we do to fix this problem?

My suggestions:

-nerf damage
-nerf supply depot

What do you guys think? Is this a problem at all? Suggestions?

And good job with grenades by the way CCP.

Your post is pointless and unappreciated.

If a missile launcher has to struggle to kill infantry a mass driver which is shooting smaller ammo. Should definately not be able to kll three people with one round. A missile launcher shoots them in volleys of four and you laugh at them when someone puts them on a tank. They do need a nerf!

Looking at the light options for weapons, the AR is still far more powerful and adaptable then the MD. However the MD shouldn't keep you from being needled up the way a grenade or FG does.

If a missile launcher has to struggle to kill infantry a mass driver which is shooting smaller ammo. Should definately not be able to kll three people with one round. A missile launcher shoots them in volleys of four and you laugh at them when someone puts them on a tank. They do need a nerf!

Tittle MD as a secondary weapon and give them only two rounds before they have to reload.

Tittle MD as a secondary weapon and give them only two rounds before they have to reload.

Yeah, let's just finish removing all indirect damage weapons from the game so it can be all AR's all the time.

Hit-scan for everyone!

It would be interesting if this game took skill.

So only AR takes skill.. jesus COD fan boy much..

Seriously pull your heads out of your ass, AR is the least skilled weapon in all of FPS games. Thats why they all have one.

If this game took skill.. FML

I'm sure we can all agree that sitting next to a supply depot spamming mass drivers and getting triple kills is quite unacceptable.

What can we do to fix this problem?

My suggestions:

-nerf damage
-nerf supply depot

What do you guys think? Is this a problem at all? Suggestions?

And good job with grenades by the way CCP.

How are you going to post in this thread and scream cod fanboy?
You have claimed people are cod fanboys twice this thread.
COD is irrelevent.
HMG takes no skill
Laser rifle takes no skill
Shotty takes no skill
MD takes no skill
Vehicles take no skill

LOL at this suggestion, guess some ones died to many times to a MD.

You COD tryhards need to get off your AR horse and learn there are other weapons in games. HTFU merc.

Hit-scan: turn until your reticle turns red and pull the trigger for a guaranteed hit = Great skill

MD trajectory: Mentally calculate enemy movement, terrain features, and flight time to determine the best spot to land your round = Easy mode

Yeah, right...

Man no fair all the good points to defend the MD are already pointed out I got nothing to add now.

Guess I gotta get to the forums faster. lol

it doesn't help that the forums are aflame right now.

A rather disappointingly predictable litany of worthless garbage from the start of the thread to the end, demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of the concept of a combined arms game where the AR is not held up as the gold standard of win. This is also an admission of riding the comprehension failbus and QQing for the rest of our amusement.

Charge ISK for ammo.

There is literally no end to the amount of crap things that come out of your posts is there?

What difficulty do you speak of? Difficulty racking up kills? Of course there isn't. Infantry die a lot. In fact in EVE killing people is equally easy.

Winning the mission? No kidding Rex, all it takes is one organized 4 man squad and the pubstomping begins in earnest because most of the people act like little murderlemmings.

Racking up K/D ratio? well I don't give a flying crap about KD anyway. I concentrate on executing as many black colored dropsuits as I can on the field because each one costs the operator over 100k ISK. it's all about the tears. Oh and I do this in as cheap a fit as I can field just to be as insulting as possible.

I like DUST because it looks and feels like a battlefield, not a buncha retards running around in circles, jerking themselves off with assault rifles and doing the effing bunny hop everywhere they go because they think it's tactical.

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Last line LOL I see the bunny hop **** all the time, u sir have made me cry with laughter u lil troll u

keep damage the same if its hits you. take down splash and lower fire rate.

To what level exactly have you skilled the weapon? Personally I believe until you hit proficiency in it you cannot give balanced statement on it.
I'm assuming you never tried 1v1 with an MD, which is is SUICIDE.
Nerf splash damage and radius? Last time I checked it was a CROWD CONTROL WEAPON, not a snowball launcher.

or maybe you could grow a sack and kill the guy spamming the md

The way I would fix mass drivers is to make the clip smaller and longer reloads. Then have a arming distance so that 0-10m the munition would not be armed. So you could get real close and counter that way. Then I would make the propulsion weaker so the shooter would have to aim high into the air to get distance.

Wow that would make them weaker than they were before chromosome.

Wow that would make them weaker than they were before chromosome.

easy to use.

I don't think it would make them weaker, just harder to use. They are usually called noob tubes because they are easy to use, not because they are powerful. A forge gun has a lot of power but you can not just shoot multiple rounds rapidly like a mass driver.

My main point would be the arming distance, with that there would be a very viable counter to the Mass Driver.

So the mass driver is not a grenade launcher? This is an actual question.

To me it seems all you have to do with a mass driver is shoot to the left, then the right, then the middle and death. But you all know best so you tell me.

So the mass driver is not a grenade launcher? This is an actual question.

To me it seems all you have to do with a mass driver is shoot to the left, then the right, then the middle and death. But you all know best so you tell me.

Of course its a grenade launcher, I'm saying its not a "noob tube" because that term implies its easy when its not.

If my math isn't good enough for you, go get a friend, kill a bunch of people with your AR while your friend times you, then calculate the average speed for AR kills. After that, get a mass driver, do the same calculations, and compare.
Also take into account the range of the mass driver compared to the AR.

Try for yourself.

Suggestions meaning little from someone who has never used the weapon.

The DPS argument is stupid when it comes to MD vs AR.
Take an average AR user, if they are shooting at a moving target, they will miss with a number of their rounds. DPS is not an end all be all stat. Particularly if you miss with 1/3 of your shots. Or even 1/2 your shots. (depending on their aim)

With the MD, even if your aim isn't great, once you get the hang of it, you just have to get close. Getting close, nets you splash damage. Getting close with an AR, nets you jack ****. And getting close is easy with MD, you just shoot at the ground in front/behind and left/right. No direct hits necessary, just a few near misses, and the target is dead.

Truth is, the MD has had a couple buffs. (not just 1) It currently IS OP.
It needs one of those buffs reversed. (not both, because it may be underpowered again, if that happened.)

I'd say EITHER reduce the rounds per drum back down to original numbers (2 less than currently)
OR
Reduce the splash damage radius to prior levels. This way, the shooters aim has to be pretty good, and someone with crap aim only gets marginal effect.

Man no fair all the good points to defend the MD are already pointed out I got nothing to add now.

Guess I gotta get to the forums faster. lol

Goat,
I was just thinking the same thing.

By the way, you probably don't recall it but you and I fought a great MD duel the other day. I have been waiting for a while to meet you like that on the field. Great fun!

And pertaining to the string: Deadpool, there have been many times during this beta that I have disagreed with your position, but every post you've made in this string is spot on. Thanks to you and all the rest carrying the banner for those of us slinging this terrifically challenging and fun weapon.

LOL at this suggestion, guess some ones died to many times to a MD.

You COD tryhards need to get off your AR horse and learn there are other weapons in games. HTFU merc.

Nope I do not die by them very often at all, because most of the time I kill the Merc using it before he can spam me with noob tubes.

Now you HTFU noob tube lover.
Derp Derp!

Are we really saying mass driver's need nerfed instead of missiles need a slight radius buff maybe? This community seems to have learned nothing.

Some one is camping the supply depot with a mass driver.

What can we do to fix this problem?

my suggestions;

grab a laser.

grab a sniper.

get friends.

get another mass driver.

or if all else fails

HTFU.

I wish i was an octopus with 5 laser rifles and 3 snipers! Seems that people think its ok for one person to be able to spam t one hit one-3 kill rounds. Its all good though, everybody is doing it, and when the people that benifit from the mass driver are tired of being spammed on themselves,than it will change,but only when that select few gripes. I think its great watching the heavies get owned by the MD now that it seems like 75% of the population is heavy.....curious as to the % of heavy MD useser...that blows.

I wish i was an octopus with 5 laser rifles and 3 snipers! Seems that people think its ok for one person to be able to spam t one hit one-3 kill rounds. Its all good though, everybody is doing it, and when the people that benifit from the mass driver are tired of being spammed on themselves,than it will change,but only when that select few gripes. I think its great watching the heavies get owned by the MD now that it seems like 75% of the population is heavy.....curious as to the % of heavy MD useser...that blows.

Goat,
I was just thinking the same thing.

By the way, you probably don't recall it but you and I fought a great MD duel the other day. I have been waiting for a while to meet you like that on the field. Great fun!

And pertaining to the string: Deadpool, there have been many times during this beta that I have disagreed with your position, but every post you've made in this string is spot on. Thanks to you and all the rest carrying the banner for those of us slinging this terrifically challenging and fun weapon.

blow up supply depot?

But that my friend is strategy.

There has been a small in flux of MDs but, it is mostly the same people I see using them not a bunch of different people.

Mass drivers are fairly alright the only thing I hate is how when up close they can shoot u directly and kill u in 1 shot with no explosion. The mass drive should have seriosly low velocity rounds with nothing but the explosion to hurt others in a since that unexploded round that didnt reach its arming distance shouldve just bounced off my shields.

I also wouldnt mind if shields gave a little more buffer towards explosions

No need to nerf damage....just add reload after two grenades. Or, slow the fire rate

They do have a weakness to shields already.

Im sorry that my MD skills have created so much hate toward the weapon but its the strategy and methodology in which i use the weapon that makes is so freaking awesome not the weapon itself. In the hands of a noob its a failhard.

Mass driver splash does pathetic damage. In order to get decent hits you have to land the ***** within two meters even with mass driver operation 5. And you have to do this with a round that doesn't travel in a straight line.

Plus assault suits and logi suits with any sort of shield extender setup pretty much chump MDs unless the MD can either get a lot of shots off accurately OR nail them with flux grenades.

Plus getting solid accuracy doesn't happen much past twenty meters.

MD is ok, no need to get this weapon less dammage, i dont see a lot of player with this why? I guess because this is a situationnal weapon very good in some situation bad in other i think CCP make a good move if the MD STAY like that