The reason why I'm not going to hold back in this post is because I want you guys to feel my seriousness here.

The conversion from the previous daily cap (which was much higher) to the weekly cap in Codex wasn't well liked but it really wasn't that bad. Sure, you'll earn heavy on the day after the reset and then you'll see significant diminished returns afterwards. But usually, on the following day, you're still earning in the thousands instead of tens of thousands or in the hundreds. I wasn't truly hitting the sp cap until Tues. Because on Mon, I may be hitting under 100 so when Tues came around, I was close to 0 or none. But that was ok because that's just one day.

Now, you play for 2 hours and you're hitting the cap!!! This is absolutely ridiculous and absurd. The grind for sp now feels like watching paint dry. I feel like I'm not doing anything or working towards anything. You're truly just playing for stat purposes at the moment. And most people don't really care about leaderboards.

The only way this current system may work is if you significantly increase the amount of skill points you earn after you reach the cap. And i'm thinking like 700 skill points and 1050 with the active booster. That way those of us who love the game can still feel like we are doing something.

You have these guys crying about guys who play more than they do and they should be held back for it. To cater to that mentality will only hurt the game. FPS shooters love the grind. That's why many people vet/prestige once they've hit the max level. You're removing that aspect of an fps with this current sp system because there's no sense in playing once you hit the daily cap. And you really hit the cap in 5 games or less. Players that play more should be able to earn more. It's not fair for guys who love the game that much. And on a monetary note...if I'm only playing for 2 hours a day that means that I am dying less throughout a week...That means that I will be retaining AUR longer......and that means that my AUR purchases will be few and far in between.

In Codex, I used to acquire most of my skill points after the reset and then spend the rest of the week, trying to figure out what to do with them. Now, you have to play for 2 days just to move up one level in one skill category.

The bottom line is this....this new skill cap system is horrible and needs to be removed or replaced in a hotfix. This is by far, the worst idea yet and I can't see myself growing accustomed to it. I've only stopped playing much earlier than I used to. And I can see players doing the same but with less tolerance than me and just take their gaming to another title.

The new SP cap enables us to get a life, a REAL ONE.
But I would prefer it to be 70,000 and 85,000 with a booster.

And i'm thinking like 700 skill points and 1050 with the active booster.

The new SP cap enables us to get a life, a REAL ONE.
But I would prefer it to be 70,000 and 85,000 with a booster.

There are Eve Online players who have broken the 100million SP record years ago and are still training new skills every day at a rate close to around 1 SP/sec. @ 31,536,000 sec/year assuming they properly focused their attributes on the proper traits of the skill books while training non-stop without forgetting to check their skill queue. That is effectively 31,536,000 SP / year. And since some of the Eve players have been around since 2003, that means those players, assuming they haven't all been biomassed, have 315,360,000 SP in total (at least one of them).

Now imagine a new player who just came in today and can only earn, at maximum, 1 SP/sec. They have to wait ten years to get to the level those veterans are today and even then those same veterans will have double that amount during those additional 10 years. It's like you were born today and want to be 18 years old like that guy you met who can drive a car now. But by the time you are 18, that guy is already 36 years old and own a house, two cars, and has a retirement fund while you are just getting started with paying your $28,000 debt for your first car. You will never catch up, therefore you learn to just continue progressing.

If you love the game so much, then play it for what it was meant to be ---- A large scale war in New Eden. Jacking up your SP seems like a linear measurement that would appeal to fans of CoD games, not a massive multi-layered MMO.

I disagree. if you only play on the weekend becuase you have a life it is now impossible to catch up.

if you play for 10 hours on the weekend you'll gain 50,000 sp

If someone else plays 10 hours a week, but plays every day they gain 125,000 sp

So you have to keep thinking "omg I have to log in and play for 2 hours today because I can't just wait and play on the weekend" How is that having a life?

If you're going, go, otherwise HTFU, Adapt or die.

I disagree. if you only play on the weekend becuase you have a life it is now impossible to catch up.

if you play for 10 hours on the weekend you'll gain 50,000 sp

If someone else plays 10 hours a week, but plays every day they gain 125,000 sp

So you have to keep thinking "omg I have to log in and play for 2 hours today because I can't just wait and play on the weekend" How is that having a life?

Why are you allowing an SP cap to DISABLE you from getting a "real" life?? If having a "real life" means that much to you, then go out and get it. Why would it matter if you don't have as many skill points as someone else....you have a "real" life

And I'm proud of it.
I enjoy playing dust but I have other things to care other than how much SP I have. I balance my playing time well with studies for it will determine whether I get in a good college.

Because playing for 2 hours is better than staring at the TV for 12 hours.
I don't really play on weekends because I want to spent time with my family. But that's my opinion it's ok to disagree with me.

Edit: I mostly play on weekdays, but that will change soon

Exactly my point....since you don't really care about how much SP you have, then why push for this current system? Because you can't or choose not to play as oten as others than you shouldn't cosign for "no lifers" to be penalized.

Because you have a real life, then you should be indifferent on this matter.

to be fair I meant 2, 6 hour gaming sessions

Yes.
You're right I should be indifferent.

my point is the daily cap is good but it be should higher.
That's what I think and you can't change that.

implement weekly cap
double the value from old weekly cap
implement pool system so pp who miss days/weeks can not lose all those SPs

theres ur fix.
this game NEEDS an SP cap just not the current one.
ppl playin for the WRONG reasons to just pub pub pub
what we need is a 2ndary grind which should come in the form of LP
grind LP to allow us to buy faction gear like in EVE

add PvE, add VR Training rooms for the hardcore corps, add in MORE and BETTER FW mechanics into DUST so corps would be more inclined to battle more, Some form of planetary sov in FW would be nice as well which would add meaning to the districts we take over, possible passive corp ISK gain from holding districts.

I like the idea of pooling any lost SP. How about daily cap with a pool limited to 3 days worth of SP. It doesn't really help Ydubbs problem but it would really help a guy like me who only gets to play 3-4 days a week.

I am not a fan of the current cap either. I preferred the weekly cap the way it was before the server switch. Players shouldn't feel that if we miss a day we have lost valuable resources we can't get back. As of right now the game feels like one big WoW daily quest grind, and daily quests suck. Feeling almost required to log on is not fun.

I am not a fan of the current cap either. I preferred the weekly cap the way it was before the server switch. Players shouldn't feel that if we miss a day we have lost valuable resources we can't get back. As of right now the game feels like one big WoW daily quest grind, and daily quests suck. Feeling almost required to log on is not fun.

implement weekly cap
double the value from old weekly cap
implement pool system so pp who miss days/weeks can not lose all those SPs

theres ur fix.
this game NEEDS an SP cap just not the current one.
ppl playin for the WRONG reasons to just pub pub pub
what we need is a 2ndary grind which should come in the form of LP
grind LP to allow us to buy faction gear like in EVE

add PvE, add VR Training rooms for the hardcore corps, add in MORE and BETTER FW mechanics into DUST so corps would be more inclined to battle more, Some form of planetary sov in FW would be nice as well which would add meaning to the districts we take over, possible passive corp ISK gain from holding districts.

Although I do think that the daily cap is a little low, I agree with it. SP points aren't everything. DUST isn't a FPS only game. (Yes it is a first person shooter but that is not its genre) DUST is a MMORPG. It (upon full release and uplink with eve) will have a fully functional in-game economy just like EVE. What other games for ps3 are like that? None. This isn't a game you play to "win" by leveling up all your skills. You play to as a mercenary for hire. Skill points are personal. ISK is the real reward. One you get those skill points, you got em... (Unless it's like eve where when you lose a clone you lose part of your skills) ISK on the other hand, when you use better equipment, you spend a lot more. Running something like a Duvolle AR or Heavy B-Series isn't cheap.

The only people the weekly cap hurt where the hardcore no lifers.
now we have the same cap per week, but you are forced to spread it out :/

Part of the issue is with the two games sharing some of the same skills for Corporation management and infrastructure. Since the books are the same amount of SP in both games, why not just train the skills 3 times faster with a Dust alt instead of doing it in EVE?

There's no issue there. It's either you skill up in Dust and form the corp in Dust. Or, you skill up in EVE and form the corp in EVE. Players should stop trying to bring all of the elements of EVE into Dust. They are different games

In Codex, I used to acquire most of my skill points after the reset and then spend the rest of the week, trying to figure out what to do with them. Now, you have to play for 2 days just to move up one level in one skill category. .

The new SP cap enables us to get a life, a REAL ONE.
But I would prefer it to be 70,000 and 85,000 with a booster.

Well that's just back asswards.

Weekly cap - If you could only play on weekends, you'd get the same SP, but maybe less ISK.

Daily cap - if you only play on weekends you 'll get a fraction of the cap.

Also, the cap exists to both keep no-lifers in check, unemployment should not be an in game advantage. Secondly, It prevents us from racing ahead of EVEs skill progression speed (there are some shared skills, even now), because of this no matter what CCP has for a cap, the size is not going to change, nor is the cap going anywhere.

I disagree. if you only play on the weekend becuase you have a life it is now impossible to catch up.

if you play for 10 hours on the weekend you'll gain 50,000 sp

If someone else plays 10 hours a week, but plays every day they gain 125,000 sp

So you have to keep thinking "omg I have to log in and play for 2 hours today because I can't just wait and play on the weekend" How is that having a life?

Right so can someone please outline the advantages of a daily cap over a weekly one?

because it seems like there is none

The good news is that there is a mathematically optimal(that's a technical term, not forum bullshit) way to do this, and as far as i know the first Merc to state it clearly was Rasatsu.

Reference to Rasatsu's solution: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=433498#post433498

TL;DR: The punch line is use a 2-week sp pool, daily sp topups, and distribute points logarithmically. It satisfies the three criteria I've stated above and any other method proposed will, by mathematical necessity, be only a crude or not-so-crude approximation to Rasatsu's correct solution.

I hear where you're coming from, Ydubbs81 RND, And I believe we already have the perfect solution, which i will link below.

But first, we state assumptions:

1. The total amount of sp given out by DUST must match up with sp in EVE. Who knows what's gonna happen in the future with our characters, and to do anything else would be asking for trouble further down the road. So whatever sp system we end up adopting, the total sp given out can't be any higher than a 7-day fully boosted no-life grinder is getting now. That's not negotiable.
2. The issue that everybody has is that if you miss a day, the game punishes you for it, meaning that customers who honor RL obligations are being treated like second-class citizens of New Eden and everybody knows it. It's obviously not fair and that's why it smells so bad.
3. No-life grinders are people too(just barely, tho =P), and they also need to be treated fairly by the game. This means that by playing more, a player can put themselves ahead of a casual who invests the bare minimum in the game. But more is required for fairness - the game needs to hand out sp in a way that is predictable and intuitive, so that someone who is grinding for sp can make a rational decision as to whether it's worth grinding for another hour or two.

The good news is that there is a mathematically optimal(that's a technical term, not forum bullshit) way to do this, and as far as i know the first Merc to state it clearly was Rasatsu.

Reference to Rasatsu's solution: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=433498#post433498

TL;DR: The punch line is use a 2-week sp pool, daily sp topups, and distribute points logarithmically. It satisfies the three criteria I've stated above and any other method proposed will, by mathematical necessity, be only a crude or not-so-crude approximation to Rasatsu's correct solution.

i love reading how tester think they should get what they want . ya the cap is not perfect but it is a game so it never will be , but it not your game it is ccp's . if they want a cap it is there right to put one in and to set it .
if you don't like it make your own game . Me i think that this game is great and only going to get better with time . just trust in ccp

The new SP cap enables us to get a life, a REAL ONE.
But I would prefer it to be 70,000 and 85,000 with a booster.

The new SP cap enables us to get a life, a REAL ONE.
But I would prefer it to be 70,000 and 85,000 with a booster.

The new SP cap enables us to get a life, a REAL ONE.
But I would prefer it to be 70,000 and 85,000 with a booster.

The new SP cap enables us to get a life, a REAL ONE.
But I would prefer it to be 70,000 and 85,000 with a booster.

People seem to be forgetting that the higher end gear has very little advantage over the lower end gear. If proto suits had the HP back and cost more, say 5-600k isk per loadout then yeah I can see more of a need for slowing down the hardcores. Fact of the matter is someone who doesn't play that much is not gonna be at much of a disadvantage due to the nerfs.

Just my 0.02 isk

The reason why I'm not going to hold back in this post is because I want you guys to feel my seriousness here.

The conversion from the previous daily cap (which was much higher) to the weekly cap in Codex wasn't well liked but it really wasn't that bad. Sure, you'll earn heavy on the day after the reset and then you'll see significant diminished returns afterwards. But usually, on the following day, you're still earning in the thousands instead of tens of thousands or in the hundreds. I wasn't truly hitting the sp cap until Tues. Because on Mon, I may be hitting under 100 so when Tues came around, I was close to 0 or none. But that was ok because that's just one day.

Now, you play for 2 hours and you're hitting the cap!!! This is absolutely ridiculous and absurd. The grind for sp now feels like watching paint dry. I feel like I'm not doing anything or working towards anything. You're truly just playing for stat purposes at the moment. And most people don't really care about leaderboards.

The only way this current system may work is if you significantly increase the amount of skill points you earn after you reach the cap. And i'm thinking like 700 skill points and 1050 with the active booster. That way those of us who love the game can still feel like we are doing something.

You have these guys crying about guys who play more than they do and they should be held back for it. To cater to that mentality will only hurt the game. FPS shooters love the grind. That's why many people vet/prestige once they've hit the max level. You're removing that aspect of an fps with this current sp system because there's no sense in playing once you hit the daily cap. And you really hit the cap in 5 games or less. Players that play more should be able to earn more. It's not fair for guys who love the game that much. And on a monetary note...if I'm only playing for 2 hours a day that means that I am dying less throughout a week...That means that I will be retaining AUR longer......and that means that my AUR purchases will be few and far in between.

In Codex, I used to acquire most of my skill points after the reset and then spend the rest of the week, trying to figure out what to do with them. Now, you have to play for 2 days just to move up one level in one skill category.

The bottom line is this....this new skill cap system is horrible and needs to be removed or replaced in a hotfix. This is by far, the worst idea yet and I can't see myself growing accustomed to it. I've only stopped playing much earlier than I used to. And I can see players doing the same but with less tolerance than me and just take their gaming to another title.