Does the DUST 514 mercenary's corporation have to enroll in FW to accept these contracts?

The DUST merc's corporation does NOT have to be enrolled in FW to accept these contracts. DUST CEOs/Directors can accept a contract from any faction at any time (even if the EVE side of their corp is enrolled in FW on the other side or if the corp has bad standings with that faction! A true mercenary fights for the highest bidder) Link

Though I haven't had the time (but will this weekend) to try out Dust on Tranquility, already the community is out problem-solving and brainstorming and coming alight with insight about the direction this grand experiment needs to head, and I'm proud. I'm well aware of the issue with no one showing up for a defense contract meaning the district doesnt switch hands, and as I discussed, the lack of money transfer** or ability for my EVE Alliance to control / pay for your contracts means that Hans has no ability to influence your game. And Hans really really wants to.*** Especially since you can influence his. Zion Shad nailed it GÇô functionally, to an EVE capsuleer, the sum of all Dust 514 merc battles (as a whole) could be replaced by a dice-rolling mechanic (but it still impacts our sovereignty), it really is that randomized in the absence of capsuleer intervention. I was quite clear with CCP at the summit that gambling is not a sustainable model to build the FW game around. We need to get our grubby paws in much deeper.

I've been writing something up for FW in Dust, SoonGäó for it to be posted.

Unless someone on caldari or amarr pays us to defend their systems..

as long as it doesn't ask for more restricted game play I'm all for a better FW system because as of now its pretty crappy for dust mercs all round

I think a lot of people in this thread has a horrible case of down syndrome. Zion wasn't trying to force anyone to do anything - he's trying to force CCP to fix a flawed system. Doubt he really gives a damn what side most of you chose. He's simply explaining an exploit and wants help showing CCP how broken it is.

I think a lot of people in this thread has a horrible case of down syndrome. Zion wasn't trying to force anyone to do anything - he's trying to force CCP to fix a flawed system. Doubt he really gives a damn what side most of you chose. He's simply explaining an exploit and wants help showing CCP how broken it is.

Although I don't condone attempting to insult people at the expense of those with down syndrome, I agree with your premise - the issue here is the system and not who people fight for or why they fight for them or trying to control anything.

it just seems shock value catches attention better then reason and logic.

So if you 'own' some districts/planets and never accept contracts to defend them...the default is that you will continue to own them because no one won them from you...? That needs to be fixed, i agree...why would anyone choose to risk losing their district if all they had to do was decline the challenges to defend and they keep their district?

I'll poke you in IRC also but i'll be posting my thread in feedback in a few minutes.

Its kinda rough but feedback would be great on the idea.

Have fun losing when we face you guys every time, oh wait you are only going to attack so you don't do corp battle against us.

Way to point out the flaw in their "flawless" plan. Thanks for the free isk earlier guys!

Way to point out the flaw in their "flawless" plan. Thanks for the free isk earlier guys!

lulz wuts raisins and logsticks?

Not to point out the obvious, but you have a decent sense of humor my friend. We seriously need to squad up.

I just try and keep the forums light-hearted

Just hit me up whenever we're in game mang!

These forums really do get a bit dull and depressing after a while.

Will do. It's about time we put the best players in the corp on one squad.

Idk - I've always had a blast around these forums. Surprised Zion hasn't kicked me for excessive trolling lol

MECH ASSAULT 2: LONE WOLF for Xbox featured Conquest mode where each battle was part of an overall intergalactic war that transpired online. Conquest mode allowed players and clans to join one of five warring Houses: Kurita, Liao, Davion, Steiner, and Marik (Much like todayGÇÖs EVE Faction Warfare), but the game mechanic was highly flawed in that planets could only be captured if there was an attacking team and a defending team. Ultimately players found it easier to defend a planet by never accepting to defend it at all, leaving the attackers to become board and leave empty handed. So the side that lost was the one that chooses to defend.

The current system in dust is a little more flawed in the fact that both this same contract system exhibits this same flaw and that you are not bound by one faction or swayed by Capsuleers. This causes random battles for districts with no side really gaining anything due to the fact we only use the contracts to war other corps over doing it for the FW Sov effect.

We are just Gamblers and not true Merc's in this current System. I put up my cash and you put up yours. Winner takes all and the house get some.

ZionTCD has chosen to only take attacking contracts and limit the amount of defending contracts we take on. This will benefit our capsuleer ally's more by taking advantage of this flaw and giving them a lag up on the District control in eve. Since they won't lose districts due to the fact no one takes the defense contacts it will only be a matter of time that Gallente and Minmatar will own every planet in FW until this system is fixed

We ask all our ally's to take the same stance as we are so this issue will be addressed quicker

The FW Contracts are done by NPC but its where both team put the same amount of ISK for collateral (like 1 mill each) and then winner takes all. So its simply gambling.

ZionTCD is being payed by Villore Accords in Gallente FW to take over districts on Dust. In the system of xxxx we are taking Districts help to help our employers take the system. The System started at -50% and we have worked it down to -36%. When we finish it will be +%50 for our employers and to take that system. The ISK is being payed to our EVE side and a % is being stored for Dust once transfers are allowed.

Could someone please clarify how ZionTCD is losing on purpose

We are not. We are doing attack contracts only, so we are trying to win. But if we lose, then all we lose is like 100k ISK and never any district. So the defenders have more to lose.

The 100 k means nothing though we are already payed for today. Will be payed more again

@Enji Elric: We can effect FW Sov already it was tested today. CCP has stated we do not enter a side but hose contract that u use to fight Corp Battle have an effect on EvE online

Can they not set the contract system like they do with missions in eve. So a Eve corp (NPC or otherwise) posts a contract up. Say 1mill isk for a dust corp to accept it they need to put up collateral like 10%. So the dust corp puts in 100k if they complete the contract they are payed the contract payment and their collateral is returned. If they lose well they lose their collateral, no contract payment is made. They could how ever allow the eve corps to choose to pay a % of the contract if their mercs lose...... or not.

For those who don't know to do missions in eve you have to put up collateral isk. If you fail you lose the isk. Bigger collateral is payed four higher level missions, but the rewards are greater also.

I apologize for my aggressive response - it just seems shock value catches attention better then reason and logic.

Lol where is the ISK flow? You put up ISK and another put up theirs. Winner takes all and you get no SP for it. You are not a Merc, your a gambler

It's sad that you miss the point of my post.

One of my main concern is if this same flaw stays in effect then what happens when EVE Capsuleers start to truly make these contract for Dust Merc's and the Dust Mercs never take them. This will kill our interaction and the purpose of this game

What we have now is a temporary system. Eventually what is going to happen is FW corps and alliances will be creating the contracts and looking for mercs to fulfill them. If we're tied to one faction then that system then it doesn't make any sense for us to actually be able to pick which battles to fight...the game should just dump us into any old battle.

Even in the current system there's an incentive to focus on taking contracts for a specific faction. If you have a working relationship with a FW group and fight battles for their faction, then you can get them into system before the battle starts to provide orbital support.

How soon it happens really isn't important. The point is that's where this is going, and the contract system we have right now is the base that it will be built on. From a development perspective it doesn't make sense to change how the contract system works until the player contracts are available. The NPC contracts would be a stub system using the same back end interface as the player contracts will use. It's just part of the development / testing process.

but you're better off just grinding skirmish instant battles until you hit the SP cap then switching to militia gear and continuing the grind for the isk.

On a related note, the mechanic for giving corp wallet isk to members is terrible.

He's not actually saying anything of consequence. Him not accepting defend doesn't mean it cant be taken, just that he won't be responsible. If nobody accepts a defend then the attackers attack an empty map. The district is still lost. It's just that the chances of this happening are astronomically low. So a fight almost always happens.

for testing purpose it is this way.... I wouldn't expect it to stay that way for long...

Does the DUST 514 mercenary's corporation have to enroll in FW to accept these contracts?

The DUST merc's corporation does NOT have to be enrolled in FW to accept these contracts. DUST CEOs/Directors can accept a contract from any faction at any time (even if the EVE side of their corp is enrolled in FW on the other side or if the corp has bad standings with that faction! A true mercenary fights for the highest bidder)

He's not actually saying anything of consequence. Him not accepting defend doesn't mean it cant be taken, just that he won't be responsible. If nobody accepts a defend then the attackers attack an empty map. The district is still lost. It's just that the chances of this happening are astronomically low. So a fight almost always happens.

I think the point he's making is that if nobody accepts the defence contract then the fight doesn't happen and district is not captured.

So if you accept the defence contract you might keep the district, you might lose it. If you don't accept it you won't lose it.

Though I haven't had the time (but will this weekend) to try out Dust on Tranquility, already the community is out problem-solving and brainstorming and coming alight with insight about the direction this grand experiment needs to head, and I'm proud. I'm well aware of the issue with no one showing up for a defense contract meaning the district doesnt switch hands, and as I discussed, the lack of money transfer** or ability for my EVE Alliance to control / pay for your contracts means that Hans has no ability to influence your game. And Hans really really wants to.*** Especially since you can influence his. Zion Shad nailed it GÇô functionally, to an EVE capsuleer, the sum of all Dust 514 merc battles (as a whole) could be replaced by a dice-rolling mechanic (but it still impacts our sovereignty), it really is that randomized in the absence of capsuleer intervention. I was quite clear with CCP at the summit that gambling is not a sustainable model to build the FW game around. We need to get our grubby paws in much deeper.