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Zion Shad
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:27:00 -
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Quote:Does the DUST 514 mercenary's corporation have to enroll in FW to accept these contracts?The DUST merc's corporation does NOT have to be enrolled in FW to accept these contracts. DUST CEOs/Directors can accept a contract from any faction at any time (even if the EVE side of their corp is enrolled in FW on the other side or if the corp has bad standings with that faction! A true mercenary fights for the highest bidder) Link
MECH ASSAULT 2: LONE WOLF for Xbox featured Conquest mode where each battle was part of an overall intergalactic war that transpired online. Conquest mode allowed players and clans to join one of five warring Houses: Kurita, Liao, Davion, Steiner, and Marik (Much like todayGÇÖs EVE Faction Warfare), but the game mechanic was highly flawed in that planets could only be captured if there was an attacking team and a defending team. Ultimately players found it easier to defend a planet by never accepting to defend it at all, leaving the attackers to become board and leave empty handed. So the side that lost was the one that chooses to defend.
The current system in dust is a little more flawed in the fact that both this same contract system exhibits this same flaw and that you are not bound by one faction or swayed by Capsuleers. This causes random battles for districts with no side really gaining anything due to the fact we only use the contracts to war other corps over doing it for the FW Sov effect.
We are just Gamblers and not true Merc's in this current System. I put up my cash and you put up yours. Winner takes all and the house get some.
One of my main concern is if this same flaw stays in effect then what happens when EVE Capsuleers start to truly make these contract for Dust Merc's and the Dust Mercs never take them due to no consequence to the planet. Capsuleers will no longer give out contracts. This will kill our interaction and the purpose of this game
From Han's Jagerblitzen's Alt
Quote:Though I haven't had the time (but will this weekend) to try out Dust on Tranquility, already the community is out problem-solving and brainstorming and coming alight with insight about the direction this grand experiment needs to head, and I'm proud. I'm well aware of the issue with no one showing up for a defense contract meaning the district doesnt switch hands, and as I discussed, the lack of money transfer** or ability for my EVE Alliance to control / pay for your contracts means that Hans has no ability to influence your game. And Hans really really wants to.*** Especially since you can influence his. Zion Shad nailed it GÇô functionally, to an EVE capsuleer, the sum of all Dust 514 merc battles (as a whole) could be replaced by a dice-rolling mechanic (but it still impacts our sovereignty), it really is that randomized in the absence of capsuleer intervention. I was quite clear with CCP at the summit that gambling is not a sustainable model to build the FW game around. We need to get our grubby paws in much deeper.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=463742#post463742
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Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1040
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:38:00 -
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the fundamental core of dust514 is that we are mercs and can fight for anyone and against anyone.
You are more than welcome to make your own arrangement with the factions you fight for but don't ask for it to be forced upon the rest of us. Its called meta game Zion we get a sandbox so play in it man.
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Gail Adura
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:40:00 -
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Unless someone on caldari or amarr pays us to defend their systems.. |
RolyatDerTeufel
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:41:00 -
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I've been writing something up for FW in Dust, SoonGäó for it to be posted. |
Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:44:00 -
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RolyatDerTeufel wrote:I've been writing something up for FW in Dust, SoonGäó for it to be posted.
as long as it doesn't ask for more restricted game play I'm all for a better FW system because as of now its pretty crappy for dust mercs all round |
Omnipotent Zitro
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:45:00 -
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Have fun losing when we face you guys every time, oh wait you are only going to attack so you don't do corp battle against us.
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Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1593
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:46:00 -
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I have to agree with Free beers here. Dust players are mercenaries and thus have no obligations to follow a certain doctrine other than to go where the ISK flows.
But over all it does need to be fixed. Remember that the faction warfare system is still in the works even for Eve side. It's been around since the Empyrean Age expansion which was back in 2007 and it wasn't until 2012 that it got overhauled. Dust FW is still pretty new and thus it will be some time before it finally gets balanced. Baby steps, my friend. Baby steps. |
Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
393
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:49:00 -
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So if you 'own' some districts/planets and never accept contracts to defend them...the default is that you will continue to own them because no one won them from you...? That needs to be fixed, i agree...why would anyone choose to risk losing their district if all they had to do was decline the challenges to defend and they keep their district?
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Ranger SnakeBlood
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:51:00 -
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I realise this is not a perfect solution perhaps a idea would be to have a AI skeleton defense on planetary bases, once the fighting has started the planet becomes a known war zone and it is up to mercs to join and repell the attackers on one or more fronts,
The idea behind this is at least attackers can now attack with out having to have a set enemy to fight, i know AI will never be as hard to kill as human even by lore standards a soildier would be a joke to a DUST merc
This could mean that people lose a base without ever fighting for it well if you refuse to fight for it then why would they deserve to have it? Of course there is still the issue of attacks when no one is on which could prove difficult to fix |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
969
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:02:00 -
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Simply auto schedule the battle after a certain amount of time from the attack notice.
If nobody shows up to defend, the attackers get it by default. |
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Tiel Syysch
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:05:00 -
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As others are saying, we're mercs. We shouldn't be forced to take sides, only contracts. If you wanna roleplay that way, fine, but don't force us to. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:11:00 -
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I think a lot of people in this thread has a horrible case of down syndrome. Zion wasn't trying to force anyone to do anything - he's trying to force CCP to fix a flawed system. Doubt he really gives a damn what side most of you chose. He's simply explaining an exploit and wants help showing CCP how broken it is. |
Horus Forge
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:18:00 -
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Gail Adura wrote:Unless someone on caldari or amarr pays us to defend their systems..
Where the isk flows, the dustbunny goes... |
RolyatDerTeufel
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
1648
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:27:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:RolyatDerTeufel wrote:I've been writing something up for FW in Dust, SoonGäó for it to be posted. as long as it doesn't ask for more restricted game play I'm all for a better FW system because as of now its pretty crappy for dust mercs all round
I'll poke you in IRC also but i'll be posting my thread in feedback in a few minutes.
Its kinda rough but feedback would be great on the idea. |
Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
393
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:40:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:I think a lot of people in this thread has a horrible case of down syndrome. Zion wasn't trying to force anyone to do anything - he's trying to force CCP to fix a flawed system. Doubt he really gives a damn what side most of you chose. He's simply explaining an exploit and wants help showing CCP how broken it is. Although I don't condone attempting to insult people at the expense of those with down syndrome, I agree with your premise - the issue here is the system and not who people fight for or why they fight for them or trying to control anything. |
Daxos Cavaletto
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:45:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:I think a lot of people in this thread has a horrible case of down syndrome. Zion wasn't trying to force anyone to do anything - he's trying to force CCP to fix a flawed system. Doubt he really gives a damn what side most of you chose. He's simply explaining an exploit and wants help showing CCP how broken it is.
FW warfare is broken and pointless and untill they come up with a new/better/best design I would rather it stay the way it is. Yes there is little value to dust corps and can penalized eve FW corps simply because dust mercs are lazy/small player based/ hate that faction. As of now to dust mercs its just contracts and needs to stay that way. CCP pushed this live without addressing it fully in EVE so its their own fking fault and they can deal with the QQ from eve pilots when they figure out they are getting fked.
I hope there is a redesign in play and that FW because awesome for dust/eve and I agree with zion in that respect. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:55:00 -
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Maximus Stryker wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:I think a lot of people in this thread has a horrible case of down syndrome. Zion wasn't trying to force anyone to do anything - he's trying to force CCP to fix a flawed system. Doubt he really gives a damn what side most of you chose. He's simply explaining an exploit and wants help showing CCP how broken it is. Although I don't condone attempting to insult people at the expense of those with down syndrome, I agree with your premise - the issue here is the system and not who people fight for or why they fight for them or trying to control anything. I apologize for my aggressive response - it just seems shock value catches attention better then reason and logic. |
Polish Hammer
Conspiratus Immortalis
300
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:56:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote: it just seems shock value catches attention better then reason and logic. lulz wuts raisins and logsticks? |
Zion Shad
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.10 22:03:00 -
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Maximus Stryker wrote:So if you 'own' some districts/planets and never accept contracts to defend them...the default is that you will continue to own them because no one won them from you...? That needs to be fixed, i agree...why would anyone choose to risk losing their district if all they had to do was decline the challenges to defend and they keep their district?
Lol where is the ISK flow? You put up ISK and another put up theirs. Winner takes all and you get no SP for it. You are not a Merc, your a gambler
It's sad that you miss the point of my post. |
RolyatDerTeufel
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
1648
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Posted - 2013.01.10 22:10:00 -
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RolyatDerTeufel wrote:Free Beers wrote:RolyatDerTeufel wrote:I've been writing something up for FW in Dust, SoonGäó for it to be posted. as long as it doesn't ask for more restricted game play I'm all for a better FW system because as of now its pretty crappy for dust mercs all round I'll poke you in IRC also but i'll be posting my thread in feedback in a few minutes. Its kinda rough but feedback would be great on the idea.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=50493&find=unread
feed back would be great, |
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Gail Adura
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.01.10 22:33:00 -
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Contracts need to be blind. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.01.10 22:35:00 -
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Omnipotent Zitro wrote:Have fun losing when we face you guys every time, oh wait you are only going to attack so you don't do corp battle against us.
Way to point out the flaw in their "flawless" plan. Thanks for the free isk earlier guys! |
Jesse Jayne
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.10 22:52:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Omnipotent Zitro wrote:Have fun losing when we face you guys every time, oh wait you are only going to attack so you don't do corp battle against us.
Way to point out the flaw in their "flawless" plan. Thanks for the free isk earlier guys! Thought you might need it |
Zion Shad
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
1620
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Posted - 2013.01.11 00:15:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Omnipotent Zitro wrote:Have fun losing when we face you guys every time, oh wait you are only going to attack so you don't do corp battle against us.
Way to point out the flaw in their "flawless" plan. Thanks for the free isk earlier guys!
Enjoy the 100k while we enjoy the billions from FW for taking these Districts. In fact Noc if you want to help us you will be payed well. Lets chat and see if you truly are mercs for hire |
Rayan Storm
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.11 00:36:00 -
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Polish Hammer wrote:SoTa PoP wrote: it just seems shock value catches attention better then reason and logic. lulz wuts raisins and logsticks?
Not to point out the obvious, but you have a decent sense of humor my friend. We seriously need to squad up. |
Polish Hammer
Conspiratus Immortalis
300
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Posted - 2013.01.11 00:41:00 -
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Rayan Storm wrote:Polish Hammer wrote:SoTa PoP wrote: it just seems shock value catches attention better then reason and logic. lulz wuts raisins and logsticks? Not to point out the obvious, but you have a decent sense of humor my friend. We seriously need to squad up. I just try and keep the forums light-hearted
Just hit me up whenever we're in game mang! |
Rayan Storm
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.11 00:47:00 -
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Polish Hammer wrote:Rayan Storm wrote:Polish Hammer wrote:SoTa PoP wrote: it just seems shock value catches attention better then reason and logic. lulz wuts raisins and logsticks? Not to point out the obvious, but you have a decent sense of humor my friend. We seriously need to squad up. I just try and keep the forums light-hearted Just hit me up whenever we're in game mang!
These forums really do get a bit dull and depressing after a while.
Will do. It's about time we put the best players in the corp on one squad. |
Kanen Serran
Prototype Technology Corp.
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Posted - 2013.01.11 01:07:00 -
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So if a corp doesn't sign up to defend a district the match just doesn't go ahead? It should be forfeited to the attacking faction in that case. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.01.11 01:28:00 -
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Rayan Storm wrote:Polish Hammer wrote:Rayan Storm wrote:Polish Hammer wrote:SoTa PoP wrote: it just seems shock value catches attention better then reason and logic. lulz wuts raisins and logsticks? Not to point out the obvious, but you have a decent sense of humor my friend. We seriously need to squad up. I just try and keep the forums light-hearted Just hit me up whenever we're in game mang! These forums really do get a bit dull and depressing after a while. Will do. It's about time we put the best players in the corp on one squad. Idk - I've always had a blast around these forums. Surprised Zion hasn't kicked me for excessive trolling lol |
Polish Hammer
Conspiratus Immortalis
300
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Posted - 2013.01.11 01:29:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote: Idk - I've always had a blast around these forums. Surprised Zion hasn't kicked me for excessive trolling lol
Don't worry, we're surprised too SoTa |
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