And the game only succeeds if people do buy into regular purchases.

I don't support this idea but what if they sold ad space to various companies on our merc quarters tv screens?
On topic: you made some great points OP, I hope your optimism spreads because sometimes these forums are a real drag...

Yes but if your game survives merely on volume rather then players staying because they like your game youve failed as a creator. Its an empty victory.

I don't support this idea but what if they sold ad space to various companies on our merc quarters tv screens?
On topic: you made some great points OP, I hope your optimism spreads because sometimes these forums are a real drag...

Yes but if your game survives merely on volume rather then players staying because they like your game youve failed as a creator. Its an empty victory.

+1 for the awesome text and conclusions...

Btw ... Great game earlier today , you guys from STB are really good (That laser just cutted me many many times lol )

That does happen actually. Corps on EVE can place recruitment ads which tend to show up everywhere. Many will also place secure containers near gates that are ads also. However, the payment is in isk. Now for doing one during the alliance tournaments or other tournaments that are CCP run then those I think are done in PLEX.

there aren't enough hardcore players on the ps3 to keep it running. or it's gonna be a pretty close call.

it's not the game that's gonna fail.

it's the community.

how many years has it been since the other fiasco that shall not be named?

nobody has learned a damn thing.

i dunno maybe how to zerg on randumbs in pub rooms.

but if any clan called itself hardcore and spent all day zerging nonteam noobs, which is pretty much most of em, then you can't really call em a hardcore clan, can ya?

catch 22.

the game won't fail the gamers
the gamers will fail the game

Peace
B

I sense the irony that this is posted by someone who's a member of Entropy Virus.

Before I get to my point,let me get this out of the way first.
http://www.wikihow.com/Use-Than-and-Then
(I will be posting this link every single time I see this,because it's time that people know the difference)

Now,my one and only concern about Dust failing is that for all intents and purposed,most gamers are pretty dumb and don't have the attention span larger than a gnat's,therefore probably won't stick around very long to enjoy the meta game aspects that Dust will hopefully have to offer.

Dust 514 has enormous potential to be the biggest game in console shooter history,but it absolutely needs a very sizable playerbase to keep it's gaming universe viable against other AAA mindless shooters.If it has numbers under 10k with about 5~8k playing per night,and a good portion of those people are playing ambush,there could be some serious trouble for Dust.

I wish I had that much optimism. I really want to see the game succeed but I've seen too many other games with bold promises not pay off.

Many will argue that the core FPS mechanics don't feel as good as the AAA shooters. That is going to hurt pulling in the competitive crowd. That said I think the in game mechanics that create corp battles and faction warfare will make up for that to some degree.

Most gamers understand the F2P system at this point. We know that it does not mean "free game". Especially for the competitive gamers since they will be the ones that have to buy boosters to have that advantage and not fall back. It is closer to a subscription model than a one time purchase (only there is no clear subscription price), which many will be weary of. And the game only succeeds if people do buy into regular purchases.

did you post a link on how to use "then" and "than"???

FPS games usually stop getting played because of lack of support , not because they are mindless shooters as many RPG players would like to believe. That was one of the arguments against Online passes ,that the game developer wanted you to pay for online . when they could just say the next day were not running this game on our servers anymore.Consoles are not PC`s were you can make your own servers and play a game past the owners support . The old FPS game had great shelf life due to modding that was appreciated by developers before.

FPS players start to notice things like extra lag, more glitches, and hackers when a game is about to go under. This usually tells us its time to start looking for a new game.

Dust can succeed into the next console with constant support and learning how to please FPS players as much as they know how to please RPG players. Right now the seesaw of genres is to RPG heavy to the point of frustrating FPS players. That wouldnt be a problem if the label of the box didnt say MMOFPS.

You damn right! I'm pretty sick of people not knowing the difference.

Its not going to fail , Because you had to pay for MAG. This game is free.

This game is going to have expansions and additions to the market keeping players coming back for more.

not enough hardcore players on ps3? *facepalm*

you know you spell Third with an i rather than a 3. We all make mistakes. Everyone is some one elses fo paux.

An argument I saw on reddit today about why Dust will fail is that console players aren't interested in complex games with a lot of depth. To that I have to say; oh really? How many deep, complex games have consoles had? None, or close enough to it. Just because it hasn't been done yet doesn't mean it can't / won't work. The number of absurd fallacies people are using to justify the idea that Dust is doomed to fail is amazing.

i've watched as EVERY single game released on the market gets watered down so the gold fish you mentioned can play.

and sci-fi is for kids. if 514 had skipped the sci and gone for modern combat with the exact same infractructure...

this server would be PACKED.

Peace
B

i just got back into the beta and just got steamrolled , if CCP cant figure out how to fix one side going 15/1`s and the other side going 1/7`s then the game will fail. Its not a RPG with the newbie zone that you slowly move out in the world with PVE till your lvl 70 with nothing else to do so you try PVP. Its a FPS.

On day one reset there should be no steam rolling, but somehow CCP figure to mess that up. Yes this is more of a rant but really i cant see people staying past a week if they have other games to play. Hell i have bio commando from my ps3 bundle , i was told it sucked and never took it out of the plastic. The game has to be good , not just there.

PS this isnt a reflection on the wining team , Imperfects did a hell of a job . Its CCP not understanding the concept of a FPS past the camera angle sometimes

I wish I had that much optimism. I really want to see the game succeed but I've seen too many other games with bold promises not pay off.

Many will argue that the core FPS mechanics don't feel as good as the AAA shooters. That is going to hurt pulling in the competitive crowd. That said I think the in game mechanics that create corp battles and faction warfare will make up for that to some degree.

Most gamers understand the F2P system at this point. We know that it does not mean "free game". Especially for the competitive gamers since they will be the ones that have to buy boosters to have that advantage and not fall back. It is closer to a subscription model than a one time purchase (only there is no clear subscription price), which many will be weary of. And the game only succeeds if people do buy into regular purchases.

the fact that it's F2P and they are aggressively marketing it by including it with purchase of PS3 give me a lot of faith, many good games fail because they have no marketing, doesn't matter how good the game is and also, bad games prevail becaue they have the marketing. i feel this is a good game backed by aggressive marketing = success

the people giving their opinions stating the game will fail like it's a fact are not market researchers they're just butthurt explayers with too much time on the hands

the fact that it's F2P and they are aggressively marketing it by including it with purchase of PS3 give me a lot of faith, many good games fail because they have no marketing, doesn't matter how good the game is and also, bad games prevail becaue they have the marketing. i feel this is a good game backed by aggressive marketing = success

the people giving their opinions stating the game will fail like it's a fact are not market researchers they're just butthurt explayers with too much time on the hands

Sounds like you were going up against people using teamwork. Well, guess that's it. CCP, nerf teamwork!!!! No one can communicate with one another accept by jumping around in certain patterns determined by the players outside of game. Also, get rid of the ability to form squads since it's OP. No more corps either. Those are OP also. Controls also need to be handicapped so good players are on the same level as bad players.

Yes im talking about playing today in what is supposed to be a reset , meaning even playing field. Its not . One side going 15/1s and the other side the highest is 2/7 is not a well oiled machine. its a game mechanic problem. Really come off the pride crap and realize your not a ultimate killer .Its a beta meaning not a final product , people stay when they see something they dont like. Once a game is released its ahh screw it , its not getting fixed move on.

Also i never said imperfects this or that and complimented them.Ive never mentioned their name before today. Your in a games development let go of the elitism attitude and be objective.

Yea all i took from that video is that spawning sucks after 4 months but they had time to write , edit a music video. when two games in their development are behind schedule. They can do what they like , but dont get so mad when people reply it sucks or it will fail because of it.

There is only so much teamwork you can perform in random spawned ambush, its more of reaction time when spawned 7 out of ten times into incoming fire.Please dont say drop a uplink that gets camped in less your that one **** on the roof in a game with hard ranges on a day one reset. You cant even set a squad order in Ambush in less there is a supply depot. Setting one on a player is just a waste of 2 secs or he goes to the edge of the map and snipes.

Also new players in a open beta didn't form corps in Eve before they got into dust , they come in hit random start with no corp but hey did you see the killer metal video the developers of your game made instead of working on the game you entered.

grouping to grind is almost a must but once your up there solo becomes more of an option, it's like you have to group up to take down a proto player, w/e, the sp gap is no longer what it once was anyone can get by in adv.. i think a lot of ppl are sick of strictly FPS, i think there doing pretty good of blending the 2 genres it's like trying to mix clay and iron

Yes im talking about playing today in what is supposed to be a reset , meaning even playing field. Its not . One side going 15/1s and the other side the highest is 2/7 is not a well oiled machine. its a game mechanic problem. Really come off the pride crap and realize your not a ultimate killer .Its a beta meaning not a final product , people stay when they see something they dont like. Once a game is released its ahh screw it , its not getting fixed move on.

Also i never said imperfects this or that and complimented them.Ive never mentioned their name before today. Your in a games development let go of the elitism attitude and be objective.

Yea all i took from that video is that spawning sucks after 4 months but they had time to write , edit a music video. when two games in their development are behind schedule. They can do what they like , but dont get so mad when people reply it sucks or it will fail because of it.

How you aim and dodge will never conqueror how much SP you have in something a big FPS no no.

But only a few comments ago you were complaining that today, the day after re-set, when we are all on as level a playing field as we are going to see and SP shouldn't have been a factor, you got your ass handed to you. And it just wasn't fair.

So with or with out SP's CRM is getting his ass handed to him. Then comes to forums to complain about the game and say CCP is behind schedule, this is not a MMO its a FPS/RPG, rants about all of his 20 years of BS FPS games WE ALL HAVE played already.

CRM maybe its not the game.. (gasp) maybe its you.

I wish you would just HTFU and go play the game and stop with the QQ, your tears have flooded the CCP floor enough.

im not mad i got beat from imperfects , as stated in the first post. I went 9/4 the next match where only 1 person had a exile and blindfire the first day reset.As well as didnt see a tank on the first day reset. Its the gear and SP blocking aiming and dodging on a first day reset that troubles me in Dust and many others. I have experience from trying to get my friends to play something other than COD that I hate and never owned see look its fun, not see it has bad graphics and you spend 3 months getting butthurt till you either pay CCP for a blindfire or stay in a month non stop to finally get SP to find it fun.

notice first day reset, because its important meaning most players have nothing.

The game lacks balance to much , to have a good high player count game run matches at a timely fashion. If it stays 8vs8 or 12vs12 they will look at dust and say whats different it feels like COD and looks worst, ill stay with black ops, Ive seen personally happen, your not going to convince a FPS player with its got a spreadsheet of Skills you can invest SP in plus a market.

The game lacks balance to much , to have a good high player count game run matches at a timely fashion. If it stays 8vs8 or 12vs12 they will look at dust and say whats different it feels like COD and looks worst, ill stay with black ops, Ive seen personally happen, your not going to convince a FPS player with its got a spreadsheet of Skills you can invest SP in plus a market.

Then quit complaining and don't play. CCP is not going to change the game because a few people think the way they're running it is wrong and doesn't conform to FPS "standards". No one is forcing you to play the game nor drag your friends into it. Just delete the game from hard drive and go back to whatever game it is you like.

ill play as long as its a beta and can is still in development. Anything can change in a beta verses a release. We will see in Open beta when PS3 players get a look at it. As well as stomp you once i have enough SP to match a blindfire and other AUR items you have.

You don't see players lasting longer then a week? to bad we have all been here for 5 months to a YEAR already.

Yes im talking about playing today in what is supposed to be a reset , meaning even playing field. Its not . One side going 15/1s and the other side the highest is 2/7 is not a well oiled machine. its a game mechanic problem. Really come off the pride crap and realize your not a ultimate killer .Its a beta meaning not a final product , people stay when they see something they dont like. Once a game is released its ahh screw it , its not getting fixed move on.

Also i never said imperfects this or that and complimented them.Ive never mentioned their name before today. Your in a games development let go of the elitism attitude and be objective.

Yea all i took from that video is that spawning sucks after 4 months but they had time to write , edit a music video. when two games in their development are behind schedule. They can do what they like , but dont get so mad when people reply it sucks or it will fail because of it.

actually no. it's true. there isn't a hard game out there. and no way a hardcore clan game. not on console.

lol gfj fgt

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I don't even know what that means.

your argument would be valid for a game like mag when the only valid tactic was to "zerg" an area into submission, but this game is so much more deeper then that. Fast but fragile scouts, squishy but important logibros, slow but powerful heavies, meat and potato assault bros. dropship pilots, tank pilots, lav drivers. and with each of those titles having dozens of differen't ways to play around with them. Thus making the game vastly more satisfying. All CCP has to do in order to hook some of our more simple minded gamers is to make the tutorials more streamlined, and heavily emphasize how important it is to get into an organized corp. That way the game can succeed along with the community