DUST Search - why this game wont fail imo

Octavian Vetiver wrote:

Crm234 wrote:

im not mad i got beat from imperfects , as stated in the first post. I went 9/4 the next match where only 1 person had a exile and blindfire the first day reset.As well as didnt see a tank on the first day reset. Its the gear and SP blocking aiming and dodging on a first day reset that troubles me in Dust and many others. I have experience from trying to get my friends to play something other than COD that I hate and never owned see look its fun, not see it has bad graphics and you spend 3 months getting butthurt till you either pay CCP for a blindfire or stay in a month non stop to finally get SP to find it fun.

notice first day reset, because its important meaning most players have nothing.

The game lacks balance to much , to have a good high player count game run matches at a timely fashion. If it stays 8vs8 or 12vs12 they will look at dust and say whats different it feels like COD and looks worst, ill stay with black ops, Ive seen personally happen, your not going to convince a FPS player with its got a spreadsheet of Skills you can invest SP in plus a market.

Then quit complaining and don't play. CCP is not going to change the game because a few people think the way they're running it is wrong and doesn't conform to FPS "standards". No one is forcing you to play the game nor drag your friends into it. Just delete the game from hard drive and go back to whatever game it is you like.


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Crm234 Wraith Shadow Guards 166	Posted - 2013.01.08 23:59:00 - [1] - Quote Grenwal Hiesenberg wrote: Moonracer2000 wrote: And the game only succeeds if people do buy into regular purchases. I don't support this idea but what if they sold ad space to various companies on our merc quarters tv screens? On topic: you made some great points OP, I hope your optimism spreads because sometimes these forums are a real drag... I cant stay quiet on your post sorry, i fear that because company's get way to greedy when given that power. I see ads and micro transactions happening if you say yes to it . Just look at games that charge you for the game and have soda`s vending machines in them. In theory though its awesome +1
Crm234 Wraith Shadow Guards 166	Posted - 2013.01.09 02:36:00 - [2] - Quote FPS games usually stop getting played because of lack of support , not because they are mindless shooters as many RPG players would like to believe. That was one of the arguments against Online passes ,that the game developer wanted you to pay for online . when they could just say the next day were not running this game on our servers anymore.Consoles are not PC`s were you can make your own servers and play a game past the owners support . The old FPS game had great shelf life due to modding that was appreciated by developers before. FPS players start to notice things like extra lag, more glitches, and hackers when a game is about to go under. This usually tells us its time to start looking for a new game. Dust can succeed into the next console with constant support and learning how to please FPS players as much as they know how to please RPG players. Right now the seesaw of genres is to RPG heavy to the point of frustrating FPS players. That wouldnt be a problem if the label of the box didnt say MMOFPS.
Crm234 Wraith Shadow Guards 166	Posted - 2013.01.09 03:22:00 - [3] - Quote Ive played games with the same weapon for over 2 years , handing broken weapons to FPS players for the sake of trying to give them something to do for another month is not the answer. Its a RPG tactic that turns off FPS players to the point we start screaming SP adjustments. I wouldnt care so much about a return if i didnt think my weapon wasnt working to its full capacity. Its the fact that when i aim with the gun the hard limit screws me and the damage on the weapon always gets me to 10 percent of their life for a kill after shooting 25 to 30 times at players and hitting them. I didnt make the absurb high hitpoints, im trying to work with them. Make it take a month to get the next weapon but just make sure it working when i skill into it . Not heres the weapon but it now needs a month to work right. Another bad FPS tactic making all the different tier weapons look the same, feel, damage, and range the same. There wont be a 7 yr progression if the FPS player hates day 1 or day 2. Eve solutions are not going to solve FPS problems but if they think outside the Eve this game will be great. No I dont buy a new game all the time or after I unlock everything, also im pretty sure no one would of been playing Eve either if they didnt patch the game after 1.01 either. That happens to console FPS games. We dont choose were forced to get the next title a lot of times.
Crm234 Wraith Shadow Guards 166	Posted - 2013.01.10 16:18:00 - [4] - Quote i just got back into the beta and just got steamrolled , if CCP cant figure out how to fix one side going 15/1`s and the other side going 1/7`s then the game will fail. Its not a RPG with the newbie zone that you slowly move out in the world with PVE till your lvl 70 with nothing else to do so you try PVP. Its a FPS. On day one reset there should be no steam rolling, but somehow CCP figure to mess that up. Yes this is more of a rant but really i cant see people staying past a week if they have other games to play. Hell i have bio commando from my ps3 bundle , i was told it sucked and never took it out of the plastic. The game has to be good , not just there. PS this isnt a reflection on the wining team , Imperfects did a hell of a job . Its CCP not understanding the concept of a FPS past the camera angle sometimes
Crm234 Wraith Shadow Guards 166	Posted - 2013.01.10 16:49:00 - [5] - Quote Yes im talking about playing today in what is supposed to be a reset , meaning even playing field. Its not . One side going 15/1s and the other side the highest is 2/7 is not a well oiled machine. its a game mechanic problem. Really come off the pride crap and realize your not a ultimate killer .Its a beta meaning not a final product , people stay when they see something they dont like. Once a game is released its ahh screw it , its not getting fixed move on. Also i never said imperfects this or that and complimented them.Ive never mentioned their name before today. Your in a games development let go of the elitism attitude and be objective. Yea all i took from that video is that spawning sucks after 4 months but they had time to write , edit a music video. when two games in their development are behind schedule. They can do what they like , but dont get so mad when people reply it sucks or it will fail because of it.
Crm234 Wraith Shadow Guards 166	Posted - 2013.01.10 17:16:00 - [6] - Quote Octavian Vetiver wrote: Sounds like you were going up against people using teamwork. Well, guess that's it. CCP, nerf teamwork!!!! No one can communicate with one another accept by jumping around in certain patterns determined by the players outside of game. Also, get rid of the ability to form squads since it's OP. No more corps either. Those are OP also. Controls also need to be handicapped so good players are on the same level as bad players. There is only so much teamwork you can perform in random spawned ambush, its more of reaction time when spawned 7 out of ten times into incoming fire.Please dont say drop a uplink that gets camped in less your that one **** on the roof in a game with hard ranges on a day one reset. You cant even set a squad order in Ambush in less there is a supply depot. Setting one on a player is just a waste of 2 secs or he goes to the edge of the map and snipes. Also new players in a open beta didn't form corps in Eve before they got into dust , they come in hit random start with no corp but hey did you see the killer metal video the developers of your game made instead of working on the game you entered.
Crm234 Wraith Shadow Guards 166	Posted - 2013.01.10 17:40:00 - [7] - Quote skills meaning RPG or FPS. I have been playing FPS games for over 20 years now. Doom Quake Faceball 2000 Star siege Tribes Tribes 2 Battlefield 1943 Desert combat from that Battlefield vietnam talk about betas work out all the kinks , who approved m60+grenade launcher kit ha ha Battlefield 2 Battlefield 2142 planetside Americas Army Day of Defeat Counter Strike Star trek elite force ha ha Golden Eye Perfect Dark n64 Turok n64 Socom 2 Socom 3 Killzone 1,2,3 Swat 4 lost planet 1,2 BF3 beta, hated metro and EA Warhawk Starhawk Halo at parties COD at parties metroid primes when i got my wii MAG What im getting with the list is, im not a stranger to FPS games or using a keyboard or controller in a FPS. Dusts biggest problem still is its letting its RPG skills screw with FPS skills . How you aim and dodge will never conqueror how much SP you have in something a big FPS no no. Also how Dust deals with experience is horrible, it should be excelling the new player fast to a decent spot , then slowing the down the return. the slaughter feeling with no hope of improving is horrible for a FPS I even beta for Eve, played anarchy online, Eq,Eq2 when MMORPG were the rage. Also i am in a Corp , they are great people that make the crap matches worth it.
Crm234 Wraith Shadow Guards 166	Posted - 2013.01.10 18:37:00 - [8] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: grouping to grind is almost a must but once your up there solo becomes more of an option, it's like you have to group up to take down a proto player, w/e, the sp gap is no longer what it once was anyone can get by in adv.. i think a lot of ppl are sick of strictly FPS, i think there doing pretty good of blending the 2 genres it's like trying to mix clay and iron player counts for that though, right now most of the fights are always a one on one till someone spawns behind you and left of you. so there is no line effect to shoot together with always. Skirmish is just a snipers paradise, so stop playing and a marathon run because of the few players. I think your idea would work great if we had high player counts were 5 vs 1 wasn't the whole team vs 3 , while the other nine run to all the points.
Crm234 Wraith Shadow Guards 166	Posted - 2013.01.10 20:23:00 - [9] - Quote im not mad i got beat from imperfects , as stated in the first post. I went 9/4 the next match where only 1 person had a exile and blindfire the first day reset.As well as didnt see a tank on the first day reset. Its the gear and SP blocking aiming and dodging on a first day reset that troubles me in Dust and many others. I have experience from trying to get my friends to play something other than COD that I hate and never owned see look its fun, not see it has bad graphics and you spend 3 months getting butthurt till you either pay CCP for a blindfire or stay in a month non stop to finally get SP to find it fun. notice first day reset, because its important meaning most players have nothing. The game lacks balance to much , to have a good high player count game run matches at a timely fashion. If it stays 8vs8 or 12vs12 they will look at dust and say whats different it feels like COD and looks worst, ill stay with black ops, Ive seen personally happen, your not going to convince a FPS player with its got a spreadsheet of Skills you can invest SP in plus a market. If this game fails its because and only it advertised itself as a MMOFPS , but did nothing to provide that other then a camera angle.
Crm234 Wraith Shadow Guards 166	Posted - 2013.01.10 20:35:00 - [10] - Quote Octavian Vetiver wrote: Crm234 wrote: im not mad i got beat from imperfects , as stated in the first post. I went 9/4 the next match where only 1 person had a exile and blindfire the first day reset.As well as didnt see a tank on the first day reset. Its the gear and SP blocking aiming and dodging on a first day reset that troubles me in Dust and many others. I have experience from trying to get my friends to play something other than COD that I hate and never owned see look its fun, not see it has bad graphics and you spend 3 months getting butthurt till you either pay CCP for a blindfire or stay in a month non stop to finally get SP to find it fun. notice first day reset, because its important meaning most players have nothing. The game lacks balance to much , to have a good high player count game run matches at a timely fashion. If it stays 8vs8 or 12vs12 they will look at dust and say whats different it feels like COD and looks worst, ill stay with black ops, Ive seen personally happen, your not going to convince a FPS player with its got a spreadsheet of Skills you can invest SP in plus a market. Then quit complaining and don't play. CCP is not going to change the game because a few people think the way they're running it is wrong and doesn't conform to FPS "standards". No one is forcing you to play the game nor drag your friends into it. Just delete the game from hard drive and go back to whatever game it is you like. ill play as long as its a beta and can is still in development. Anything can change in a beta verses a release. We will see in Open beta when PS3 players get a look at it. As well as stomp you once i have enough SP to match a blindfire and other AUR items you have.

Crm234 Wraith Shadow Guards 166	Posted - 2013.01.10 20:46:00 - [11] - Quote well thank god both of us arent those type of players edited after Deadpool to make it not bump back to the top. I dont like the back and forth either especially in a fail thread, but tends to happen with getting quoted 6 times with a insult and question and leaves you feeling like now you have to fight back. I dont want to post in this thread or keep it alive any longer either. So please so it gets buried dont quote me and insult making me feel i have to reply back as a challenge. There is always the next thread.