There is really nothing special or unique gameplay wise except for the orbitals from EVE players

Everything feels the same, there is no incentive to progress because milita>all

Yup im asking for gear to make more of a difference than it does now, it gave you something to aim for, the difference between milita/basic/advanced and proto was substantial and it gave more choices overall.

For once I actually agreee with you.

(The missels needed a nerf obviously, but not this much.)

It seems to be CCP's M.O.,over nerf the things that they think needs nerfing.

Hopefully (but not likely),they will realize that they need to do more tweaking,and less nerfing.Dumbing down the game to attract more casuals isn't a good thing in the long run because 1)after the initial excitement,they will realize that it's not that much different than any other shooter,and they will leave for the next COD or BF,or 2)they might not even bother showing up in the first place because they might feel like it's just like every other shooter,and in that case,why leave what you are already playing to grind at something new?

CCP needs to nut up and keep this game on outer edges of what people consider to be casual shooters.

While I agree that there have been some over reaction nerfs, I reserve judgement of the game's staying power until we have full release content.

As it is now, Dust 514 is a generic shooter with TDM, obective based mode and fairly deep skill / progression system.

However, most of us know that will not be the case down the line. There will be the ability to take districts and planets, more toys, integrated New Eden market, risk / reward and most importantly.....tears


I still see a pretty good difference between STD and PROTO gear and TBH, the places you will more than likely use PROTO gear there will be nothing but ADV and PROTO gear....so who really cares about the difference between Militia and PROTO. IMO, we shouldn't see that much PROTO in pubbies once we have sec space differences....and if you can PROTO pubstomp in high sec space then it should be at the risk of being terribly inefficient when you die more than once or twice. Why else would anyone ever leave High Sec.

It's a tough balance guys....I don't envy CCP on this one. Previously people were complaining that fights were too gear dependant and there needed to be more emphasis on the player's skill. At the very least, the narrowing of difference between the gear variants prevents below average gun game from looking like beast gun game because of the inherent gear.

Not sure where I stand on tanks yet. I think we could have used more time with them for 16 v 16 corp battles in their prior state rather than basing a nerf on public matches where there is little to no coordination.

The ar damage between the tiers shouldn't be flattened and the higher tier suits should have more health. Make it a 22 hp. (Basic shield extender) difference in shields between the tiers.

Not saying these things will make the game more exciting. But it'll stick to the game's concept. We are missing more than half of the things promised for release, so this game should be exciting. They just have to improve certain core features

While I agree that there have been some over reaction nerfs, I reserve judgement of the game's staying power until we have full release content.

As it is now, Dust 514 is a generic shooter with TDM, obective based mode and fairly deep skill / progression system.

However, most of us know that will not be the case down the line. There will be the ability to take districts and planets, more toys, integrated New Eden market, risk / reward and most importantly.....tears


I still see a pretty good difference between STD and PROTO gear and TBH, the places you will more than likely use PROTO gear there will be nothing but ADV and PROTO gear....so who really cares about the difference between Militia and PROTO. IMO, we shouldn't see that much PROTO in pubbies once we have sec space differences....and if you can PROTO pubstomp in high sec space then it should be at the risk of being terribly inefficient when you die more than once or twice. Why else would anyone ever leave High Sec.

It's a tough balance guys....I don't envy CCP on this one. Previously people were complaining that fights were too gear dependant and there needed to be more emphasis on the player's skill. At the very least, the narrowing of difference between the gear variants prevents below average gun game from looking like beast gun game because of the inherent gear.

Not sure where I stand on tanks yet. I think we could have used more time with them for 16 v 16 corp battles in their prior state rather than basing a nerf on public matches where there is little to no coordination.

Snake,

I get that you are frustrated but I think you are exaggerating a bit:

1) The PROTO variants are way better than militia in every respect. If they weren't, you would see guys going 36-1 in full militia fits rather than Duvolles fit on ADV, PROTO, or Type II's. Is it more efficient than militia, No. That's why it should be reserved for the important fights and not every public match you play in. Since you are comparing to EvE....It's not like every time a pilot undocks he does so in a Dark Blood, Sansha, or Officer fit Battleship.

2) You are saying just because CCP has narrowed the gap between variants they might as well remove all skills and give us sling shots. That's like telling your parents to cancel Christmas because they gave you 10 yr old car instead of a new Benz.

3) The market will have an impact if only because you will be able to sell your loot drops of items you don't plan on using which essentially gives you another income stream to fund your craving to rock PROTO gear all day errryday. Not to mention the free market will create price competition and you can expect all variants to have price fluctuation. If you want your gear cheaper, get to producing it or find an EvE Corp who will do so for you at a reduced cost.


This game isn't just about leveling and skilling. The depth of universe and the ongoing war is the end game.

Besides....An older player in this universe isn't necessarily going to be better with an AR than a properly skilled 3 month old player. He can just use more than the AR whereas the 3 month old player probably cannot do so or, if he can, he can't use other weapons as effectively as the older player.

It really always comes down to Dust having no clue , what kind of players it wants and ends up pissing off both sides.

Your looking for a RPG because the name has Eve in it and wont be happy till it is a RPG all the way. Where others including myself saw MMOFPS and wont be happy till its a MMOFPS.

RPG players want to grind to get stronger and FPS players want to grind to get more toys to play with and this is the greatest divide of the player base.

RPG players want the rag to riches story and FPS players want the battle hardened rookie soldier progression

Snake,

I get that you are frustrated but I think you are exaggerating a bit:

1) The PROTO variants are way better than militia in every respect. If they weren't, you would see guys going 36-1 in full militia fits rather than Duvolles fit on ADV, PROTO, or Type II's. Is it more efficient than militia, No. That's why it should be reserved for the important fights and not every public match you play in. Since you are comparing to EvE....It's not like every time a pilot undocks he does so in a Dark Blood, Sansha, or Officer fit Battleship.

2) You are saying just because CCP has narrowed the gap between variants they might as well remove all skills and give us sling shots. That's like telling your parents to cancel Christmas because they gave you 10 yr old car instead of a new Benz.

3) The market will have an impact if only because you will be able to sell your loot drops of items you don't plan on using which essentially gives you another income stream to fund your craving to rock PROTO gear all day errryday. Not to mention the free market will create price competition and you can expect all variants to have price fluctuation. If you want your gear cheaper, get to producing it or find an EvE Corp who will do so for you at a reduced cost.


This game isn't just about leveling and skilling. The depth of universe and the ongoing war is the end game.

Besides....An older player in this universe isn't necessarily going to be better with an AR than a properly skilled 3 month old player. He can just use more than the AR whereas the 3 month old player probably cannot do so or, if he can, he can't use other weapons as effectively as the older player.

+1 in admiration for clear, reasoned and concise analysis. Plus the ability to see beyond the immediate. Plus vision.