I am not very happy with the HAV, but i when i look at the DS i can smile a bit. Took out 3 with my blaster. They were flying way too low. AV's are just unbalanced, they dont need a nerf, they just need a bit of tweaking

1. Remove flight ceiling.
2. Either give missiles range or splash radius.
3. Give rails a slight splash radius buff.
4. reduce damage from AV grenades.

Buff tank missiles AND nerf their counters?

That sounds vehicle biased......AV grenades are fine the way they are. Most tank drivers run in the spawn once their shields take a 10% hit and you can't get close enough to throw AVs anyway.

Vehicles are fine the way they are now...and so are the AV grenades. I wish the AVs were stronger but then I'm biased.

I disagree Nerf AV grenades they are OP.

Replication you mean? Heavy's were OP in that one, but are fine now. I consistently see Heavys pulling off 16-1's and 20-3's.

I do agree with your thoughts. At the moment, things are too.... similar. Protosuit needs it's own "power". For example, give it a higher jump. Or give it drastically increased speed. HP isn't the only factor that can be messed around with. It's the easiest, but that's looking from a 2d perspective. A Protosuit overall needs more. Same with advanced, give each tier of suit a function or bonus no other tier has.

parts of this i agree w/ yet others....ah, not so much

Firstly, i do like that you are looking to the future, however, much of what you said WONT be there on release. A lot of the player driven market and stuff like that won't be added till 6 months in (as CCP said it wont be on release); and as it is, we can only discuss what is affecting us NOW, as for all we know things will change later on that either validates all this or doesnt.

To narrowing the gaps of weapons; simply put = bad. I am not the most skilled gun (can admit it), but a benefit of running proto weapons & suits in prior builds helped in my & others survivability. Now the suits and guns dont really help in that. From a T2 suit to a Vk.1 , if you are on a buffer fit, the only real difference is 128 shield, which translates to 4 bullets from an AR, which comes down to a bit more then a quarter of a second of holding the trigger. So yes, skill is good to have; but for the amount of time & SP required to get proto gear should have reasonable edge. As to compare SP, a T2 to a proto is separated by about ~2mil SP (i believe), yet the only difference is a bit of extra shield/damage & maybe a regulator.

As to proto variants being better then all others; they are, but it isnt enough to warrant the use when u look at ISK cost and SP cost. This gets worse when you compare proto weapons/gear of differ categories against each other. If you lok at a proto AR vs a basic HMG. The skilling potential is almost equal w/ the flattening of damage. Before a proto/adv AR has a good chance to beat an HMG in CQC which they should b/c of the SP they put into their character. Yet now, that is a totally different story. Reason is, in even last build; a GEK AR, had semi "trouble" taking on a basic/adv heavy in CQB ranges b/c of the dps a hmg does along w/ the tanking a heavy naturally comes with. Yet now, the Duvolle now is barely above whata GEK was, so AR (which are a jack of all trade weapon), have been semi kicked out of a CQC arena, and put o medium range, which they aren't good for anymore b/c of iron sights; where LR now rule.

The flattening of damage affected weapon roles (and reason to skill them) by causing a disparity when compared to other gear/weapon levels. As it was last build and prior builds, it was good for a proto AR to take out a basic/adv heavy in "CQC" range is warranted b/c of the SP & time put in; however the reason (at moment) for grinding for the ability has been removed.

All im getting at here (as people will prob agree or flame) is that skill is a factor needed; but not everyone is on equal skilling; and that GEAR should help and play a role but also not be a sole factor; yet at the moment the gear doesn't match up to the SP & ISK required to use them

If they would just bring back tier restricted games, newbs and not so good players would actually have a place to play. Instead of a place to constantly be slaughtered by experienced groups running high level gear. New groups could actualy start playing the game, which brings new ideas. Many of the replication testers are bitter and jaded. Myself included.

The community has asked for this to be REINSTATED numerous times.

Major broken gameplay issues include head glitching snipers, redline tank scrubbery and grenade spam / laser camping. Nerfing range of tank/snipers is NOT the way.
It's the maps. Now, it's great that we're going to have so many maps (one day), but it's just going to be a god awful mess.

On MAG it took around 100 hours to learn ROUGHLY what the maps were all about. Around 200 you were confident, and after 500 hours, you knew exactly what you were up to. This is an impossible task in Dust. For hardened FPS gamers, it will be a unique challenge. For your average PS3 microtransaction consumer however? I don't think so. While a great deal of people seem to think Dust is a niche market game, it's not.

Dust is CCP's best hope for survival when Star Citizen and Elite:Dangerous are released (2014 apparently).

So people, getcha whining tinfoil hat on. Let's not dumb things down. Let's refine what we have, and make something worthy of CCP's time and effort.

parts of this i agree w/ yet others....ah, not so much

Firstly, i do like that you are looking to the future, however, much of what you said WONT be there on release. A lot of the player driven market and stuff like that won't be added till 6 months in (as CCP said it wont be on release); and as it is, we can only discuss what is affecting us NOW, as for all we know things will change later on that either validates all this or doesnt.

To narrowing the gaps of weapons; simply put = bad. I am not the most skilled gun (can admit it), but a benefit of running proto weapons & suits in prior builds helped in my & others survivability. Now the suits and guns dont really help in that. From a T2 suit to a Vk.1 , if you are on a buffer fit, the only real difference is 128 shield, which translates to 4 bullets from an AR, which comes down to a bit more then a quarter of a second of holding the trigger. So yes, skill is good to have; but for the amount of time & SP required to get proto gear should have reasonable edge. As to compare SP, a T2 to a proto is separated by about ~2mil SP (i believe), yet the only difference is a bit of extra shield/damage & maybe a regulator.

As to proto variants being better then all others; they are, but it isnt enough to warrant the use when u look at ISK cost and SP cost. This gets worse when you compare proto weapons/gear of differ categories against each other. If you lok at a proto AR vs a basic HMG. The skilling potential is almost equal w/ the flattening of damage. Before a proto/adv AR has a good chance to beat an HMG in CQC which they should b/c of the SP they put into their character. Yet now, that is a totally different story. Reason is, in even last build; a GEK AR, had semi "trouble" taking on a basic/adv heavy in CQB ranges b/c of the dps a hmg does along w/ the tanking a heavy naturally comes with. Yet now, the Duvolle now is barely above whata GEK was, so AR (which are a jack of all trade weapon), have been semi kicked out of a CQC arena, and put o medium range, which they aren't good for anymore b/c of iron sights; where LR now rule.

The flattening of damage affected weapon roles (and reason to skill them) by causing a disparity when compared to other gear/weapon levels. As it was last build and prior builds, it was good for a proto AR to take out a basic/adv heavy in "CQC" range is warranted b/c of the SP & time put in; however the reason (at moment) for grinding for the ability has been removed.

All im getting at here (as people will prob agree or flame) is that skill is a factor needed; but not everyone is on equal skilling; and that GEAR should help and play a role but also not be a sole factor; yet at the moment the gear doesn't match up to the SP & ISK required to use them

Nerf everything. Then skill is all we will have...hand to hand combat maybe. Like Nintendo "Mike Tyson Punchout" on steroids. can i get an Amen.

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Now can someone explain to me how are ADV/PRO weapons considered a significant 'improvement'? A difference of 5% or less should not require me to pay more ISK.

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oh really? How much would it cost to get 5% more output from a formula one engine? That last 5% is hellaciously, exponentially more expensive when you're pushing the edge of the technological envelope. Same argument applies to redundancy. Same argument applies to reliability. From the backstory for DUST, our weapons are pushing the edge of the envelope and then some.

Next 'realistic' argument please.

oh really? How much would it cost to get 5% more output from a formula one engine? That last 5% is hellaciously, exponentially more expensive when you're pushing the edge of the technological envelope. Same argument applies to redundancy. Same argument applies to reliability. From the backstory for DUST, our weapons are pushing the edge of the envelope and then some.

Next 'realistic' argument please.

Unless your just really bad at the game and you can only go positive using PROTO vs STD & militia and you sleep better at night doing so. Then by all means.

Replication you mean? Heavy's were OP in that one, but are fine now. I consistently see Heavys pulling off 16-1's and 20-3's.

I do agree with your thoughts. At the moment, things are too.... similar. Protosuit needs it's own "power". For example, give it a higher jump. Or give it drastically increased speed. HP isn't the only factor that can be messed around with. It's the easiest, but that's looking from a 2d perspective. A Protosuit overall needs more. Same with advanced, give each tier of suit a function or bonus no other tier has.

oh really? How much would it cost to get 5% more output from a formula one engine? That last 5% is hellaciously, exponentially more expensive when you're pushing the edge of the technological envelope. Same argument applies to redundancy. Same argument applies to reliability. From the backstory for DUST, our weapons are pushing the edge of the envelope and then some.

Next 'realistic' argument please.

Are you silly enough to think this why anyone is arguing for more gear difference?

Get better at making your point.

Tiel has a thread currently locked with actual numbers instead of your feelings. Come post in it AFTER reading the math.